Timmbits: In a world of smartphones, this is quite useless. If at least it had a lower pixel count so it has larger photosites, to get rid of noise and produce clean images, then we'd have something! Tiny sensor + high pixel count = noise machine
It could have been a nice camera for our little toddlers. Now our toddlers will be disappointed and turned off of photography, instead of being enthused by it.
Yes, and: in a world of smartphones, this is very important too: BE as much DIFFERENT from smartphones as possible, BE as much OPTICAL and PHOTOGRAPHIC specialized instrument as possible - not only electronic display Print-Screen - recent tendency was opposite - to merge phone and P&S - that's wrong IMO. The most important thing e.g. is good viewfinder - no smartphone has it, good optics - no smartphone has it, good advanced photographer's handling features (manual focus, ..). No Wi-fi/Eye-fi/Whatever-fi rubbish will save photographic cameras!
Sudo Nimh: DPR, could you please implement a cheapskate filter on this forum? I'm tired of wading through the it-costs-too-much whining.
Ideally, the cheapskate filter should also catch comments wanting new camera features (focus peaking, faster shutter, coffee brewing) through a free firmware upgrade.
And what about so-called positive filter? Any negative not-complimentary comment should be filtered off !! The most servile comments would be remunerated. And DPR rename to DPadverts !
This Nikon 1 is similar misunderstanding as Canon M. These juggernauts in their self-satisfaction do not listen to photographers. That is a chance for smaller braver pikes in the pond.
Nikon - no camera, 'cause no VF - out of question. Canon - lost chance for very good and balanced enthusiast portable camera - Fuji grabbed the chance.
I can't understand this: if there is no built-in VF, which disqualify any camera for quantity of possible customers, why they do a tiltable glossy (shiny) LCD? It is unusable for serious focusing even under overcast sky. Why don't they put there a matt screen?
skimble: I especially like that slim lined viewfinder :-) and Fuji X system has stopped to make mountable lenses have they?
What is tiltable mirror in sunlight for? Thank god Fuji makes viewfinders not screens.
Marty4650: This could be a Fuji X100s killer. Especially if the 17mm f/.8 lens is bundled with it.
Not only will it be cheaper, but you will have the ability to mount other primes, which is something that the Fuji can't do.
Of course, it may not matter much, since the Fuji X100s has something like a .0001% market share....
Really? Do you compare apples with oranges usually? Yes, X100S is fixed-focal lens APS-C pocketable camera of high quality image and with high class unique hybrid viewfinder. If you want to compare comparable try X-E1 (X-Pro1 is a class higher device). But X-E1 has built-in high-class EVF and APS-C sensor, so it is also higher league.
External EVF in the middle only, for extra money? Forget it. No built-in VF - no camera for enthusiasts and advanced photographers.
marike6: I think part of the problem is that Fujifilm made some claims that the new X-Trans sensor would allow IQ similar to the RX100 and 12 mp m43 cameras. Much was also made of the video being upgraded to 1080p60 at 36 mbps.
I paid top dollar to get an X20 from abroad before they hit the stores here. The AF system and VF are huge improvements. X20 AF in low-light is about as fast and accurate as my Nikon V1. Terrific. The problem for me was RAW files were slightly noisy vs the X10 and the JPEG engine was a big step back from the totally usable JPEGs of the X10.
So sadly I sold it, and now have a Nikon P330, which is not quite as nice to shoot with, but is much smaller, and has wonderful IQ, basically the same files you'd get from the class leading P7700. So I'm happy in one sense, but also sad about the Fuji X P&S line. Had high hopes for the X20.
Retro fans look at the Pentax MX-1 which has stunningly good IQ for a compact, with great OOC JPEGs and clean, detailed RAWs.
I agree that too much promises and too much compromises make disappointment. Both sides - producers/users - should always bear in mind physical limits. Software tricks are more and more refined, but still they are only tricks to confuse inexperienced photographers by maikng kitsch ironed noise free, but also detail free paintings. I know, that even in X100S is OOC jpeg totally unusable especially for landscape photo - even when NR and Sharp set to -2. That is why RAW is a must for the best IQ. And small sensor P&S should be limited to 6-8MPx at max. And producers as well as reviewers should always repeat again and again that this limit is in favour of better IQ and better resolution of detail. P&S should serve (and actually serve) for prints up to 15x10cm (6"x4"), exceptionally for A4. And for these 6-8MPx is enough.
PhotoKhan: From the "Conclusion-Pros":"Solid build quality with retro design".How can "retro design" (a personal preference) be considered a "Pro"?
...and I find it now an established Fujifilm characteristic that their cameras have problems reproducing blues and reds.
Firetruck-red is definitely NOT that shade.
I AM sure that cheap automated mass production has done bad harm to ergonomic design - especially in this compact category. The cheap mass produced plastic soap-box-like or cell-phone-like electronic toys without built-in viewfinders and without good optics are ugly for photographer's eyes and hands - in my opinion. That's why I see as the great success to join photographic ergonomics, tradition and style with modern mass production.
What is strictly objective in such product review? Only exactly measured numbers I think. But review is a view of a very informed and experienced user of certain product category, who partially refers his own preferences, but is also - due to his experience - able to generalize views of people - potential users of product - that is a craft and art to balance these two approaches.
Because "Solid build quality with retro design" is something that enthusiast and pro photographers want. Because retro design has undergone 100 years of refinement in the field of ergonomics, efficiency and usefulness. This design - especially good and unique (for this category) viewfinder on the right place (says my nose) with shooting data and manual zoom are big plus.
zinedi: Inceribly slow glass for such small sensor.
yabokkie: DoF of this glass on 4/3 format is similar to 7-11 on fullframe. If the price is $100 then it doesn't matter, .. .
Inceribly slow glass for such small sensor.
It is obvious, that Fuji development team thinks very systematically and consistently when projecting their equipment both in cameras and lenses, both in photographic ergonomics and in image quality - which is far from chaotic and low quality offer of some others. They don't develop photo-enthusiast' equipment for one season, but for this era of digital photography. Great business this X-system!
Jimmy jang Boo: So "The E-M5 is, without question, the most accomplished Micro Four Thirds camera we've yet seen" still holds true. The GH3 may be the better camera/camcorder for those "take video seriously", however DPR rated/ranked it lower than the OMD.
No doubt, "The Panasonic GH3 is the new standard bearer for video on a consumer stills camera." And this would have factored into its close, but no cigar rating. So one can reasonably conclude that if the GH3 didn't excel at recording video, DPR would have rated it lower and the gap between it and the OMD would have been wider.
2 ethern1ty : Thanks Fuji who is listening to photographers wishes. Sony stays halfway between really enthusiast photographer friendly mirorrless camera and plastic electronic gadget. The smallest does not mean the best.
Yes, sensors are being more and more monopolized => RAW IQ is similar. The distinguishing parameters are then handling and user/photographer friendly tools. Why - for only one instance - mirorrless camera does not have viewfinder in the right place - top left corner? Why this - by needlessly imitating SLR look - endangers a photographer's nose (to say nothing of the quality of EVF)? I prefer more useful range-finder-like design - not for style alone.
micahmedia: Make it this big and include an EVF, then we'll talk.
I don't say the problem, but a feeling of mixing apples and pears and even nuts I have at times. Every new almost-photographic camera is praised here to be a peak of progress (especially if it has Wifi and whatever-fi) which may disorient unexperienced beginners, that's why I sometimes wanna say opposite opinion.
Partly agree with you, but I wanted to say, that DPreview dedicates more and more space to cheap electronic imaging gadgets and less and less space to real professional, semi-professional, enthusiast photographic technology. This web seems more and more like publicity wall for mass consumers products and mobile-phone/facebook snapshot enthusiasts.
Include OVF/EVF and PDAF/CDAF, focus peak, split image and I'll spend 5 min to read specification.