kpaddler: "Not built for extended use in cold conditions"
As usual, DP doesn't disappoint with its useless points raised.
The camera lasts in cold weather longer than the people who carry it.
My old Panasonic GX1 sure failed in cold well before I did. First to go was its clock, which reset itself already at around -20°C (-4°F). Also, small cameras are generally hard to use when it gets so cold you need to use gloves, let alone heavy mittens - but some are harder than others (for example, I found Canon G11 surprisingly easy to use even with mittens on, despite the small size of some of its buttons).
Laslen: $1,800 for a body only that isn't even Full Frame? Uhh, no. If you fall for this, I feel bad for you.
Sensor size isn't always the most important factor: it doesn't matter how great sensor the camera has if it's too slow to capture the situation.,And in focal length limited situations APS-C is better, ceteris paribus. I am going to get the 7D2, even though I already have a 5Dmk3, simply because of speed. Indeed I still occasionally use my old 7D rather than the 5D3 just because it's faster and has bigger buffer, so replacing it with the 7D2 is almost a no-brainer - the only real alternative would be 1Dx, which makes 7D2 look a bargain.
Boss of Sony: WHY IS THIS CAMERA BIG NEWS? RICOH RELEASED A FULLY POCKETABLE CAMERA WITH AN !!!APS-C!!!! SIZED SENSOR 2 YEARS AGO (RICOH GR). THE ONLY THING THIS PANASONIC HAS OVER THE GR IS THE 4K VIDEO AND AN EVF. WHO CARES? NOBODY HAS 4K TVs. PLUS IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT FROM A NORMAL VIEWING DISTANCE, THERE IS NO VISIBLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 4K TV AND 1080P TV, so anybody who buys a 4k TV is mad. Most photographers are not interested in taking 4k video anyway, unless they want to make documentaries, in which case, who cares whether you have a pocketable camera or not.
Re Ricoh GR:"• No EV"True, but you can get excellent optical viewfinders for it.
"• No Zoom, only a Fixed Focal Length Lens"True, but the lens is quite good (and f/2.8 is pretty fast for APS-C). Also, there's a 21mm-equivalent wide-angle add-on available.
"• No image stabilization"True, and a bit strange, given that GRD-IV has it.
"• Only 4fps"True, but I've never wanted more with a wide-angle lens.
"• Can't take filters"The GR *can* take filters, although it needs a (rather clumsy) adapter.
"• Takes longer to adjust EV, Aperture, Shutter Speed"I don't understand this at all. The controls of the GR are just about the best I've used, adjusting anything takes less than in any compact I've seen, indeed less than in many DSLRs.
"• No 4K video"True (but I never shoot video anyway).
So, the 100LX won't replace GR in my pocket, but I might get one anyway: sometimes I do want a zoom compact and my Canon G11 is rather, well, old.
I've used a Really Right Stuff MPR-CL nodal slide for balancing, it or something similar shoud work well here, too:http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/s.nl/it.A/id.4529/.f?sc=26&category=620
You can also use the * button instead of shutter half-press. That is, have one zone in AF-ON and another in * and shutter doing metering only. Or AF-ON for zone and * for 61-point, or vice versa.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem possible to have one zone in AF-on, another in * and a third one in shutter half-press. That could be quite useful: separate buttons for left, center and right zone.
"freezeproof to -10°C/+14°F" sounds a bit funny. I'd like one that promises to work down to -40°C. Although generally they can handle colder than spec'd: I've once kept my Canon 7D below -30°C for over two weeks nonstop --didn't bring it in to avoid condensation-- without any ill effects. On the other hand, Panasonic GX1 went bonkers in one hour at -20°C, so... reliable data on various cameras' cold-proofness would be nice. DPR, how about taking this thing to a winter photo trip to Alaska or something? ;-)
christiangrunercom: Why is the Ricoh GR left out ? It would have nuked all the others...
Incidentally, I chose the GR over X100S not because of the focal length difference but because the GR fits in my pants pocket and the X100S does not. I think DPR seems a bit too obsessed with focal length and zoom as camera selection criteria.
Harold66: This is a misleading title for a list of cameras which does not include ricoh GR, Nikon A, sigma dpm. I have seen the reply from dpr but if this is high end what becomes of these cameras not listed : super high end ??Harold
The only reason I can think of for excluding Coolpix A and GR is that they lack zoom. But there are many people, especially among those looking for high-end pocketable camera, for whom that's not a key criteria, certainly not over image quality.
sbansban: Will Nikon Coolpix A and Ricoh GR be included in the high end pocketable compact category? As far as I know, at around $1100 and $750 respectively, these two are the absolute top pocketable (or near-pocketable) cameras that money can buy.
Seconded. I wanted the best camera that I can actually carry in my pants pocket, period, and settled on Ricoh GR. I really can't see why it (and the Coolpix A, which differs from it mainly by ergonomics) are not "high-end enthusiast compacts", although arguably they would fit in the pocketable compact category as well.
It weighs 4.5kg? Not much fun when hand luggage limit is 5kg... even with 8kg (most common these days where I travel) the bag would take most of it.
How close does the lens focus? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.(The GRDs are quite useful for certain kinds of macro work, but retaining that with much larger sensor would not be easy.)
dbateman: This is good. I do hope more cameras come with DNG. I only know of Pentax now that has DNG. It would be great if all cameras had the choice of DNG. Then you don't have to upgrade your adobe software so often :)
Ricoh also uses DNG (in the GRD series at least).
I've no idea where that Tokina info came from, the picture was taken with Olympus 15mm f/8 body cap lens.
By my reckoning the Leica S sensor is about 2.24x smaller 6x6 (which has ca. 55x55 mm² image) or 1.7x smaller than 6x4.5 (55x42mm²). So not quite three times smaller than medium format, but still definitely closer to full-frame 35mm.
Henrik NJ: I'm excited to see what will happen to the rest of EU.
In Denmark D800 is listed at DKR 17995 - 18745 = UKP 2023 - 2108In Sweden D800 is listed at SEK 24990 = UKP 2341In Germany D800 is listed at €2899 = UKP 2424
It can't only be in the UK they have made a "mistake" on the price if that's their excuse, it will be in the whole EU.
> Anyone know where you would stand warranty/repairs wise with taking the EZ route (based on buying it on the high street)? I.e. would I need to ship it back to the country I bought it from to get repairs?
In theory, the legally mandated warranty, i.e., what consumer rights laws give you in EU, falls primarily to the shop you bought it from, not the manufacturer, and so you might have to ship it back to wherever you bought it. And as for any warranty beyond what the law requires, well, it's can be anything - you'll have to read the small print to know.
In practice, however, big manufacturers generally take care of their own. Canon promises to honour their warranty within EU but not beyond, i.e., stuff brought from the USA is not covered - but in practice it may still be - I have personal experience here, taking a US-bought Canon camera to a local Canon service facility. I have also heard that Nikon is just as good with their repairs - but the law doesn't require it.
Freezing temperatures down to -10C? It's just about that cold here now and it feels like a heat wave... the warmest temperature my EOS 7 saw last week was -18.6C, coldest -30C (I didn't bring it in all week) and it kept working just fine.Let's hope that's just Canon being conservative in what they promise.
Some people take weddings too seriously. $15000 for a wedding sounds outrageous to me; ours cost about one tenth of that (EUR 1200), with photos taken by my brother-in-law at no charge - although I'd photographed his wedding earlier - and they were perfectly adequate.
While I'm no wedding photographer I've shoot some relative's weddings and everybody's been happy with the results - but that probably tells more of the expectations than of me. The talk about "regret the rest of their lives" and whatever sounds just weird to me; if my brother-in-law had gotten sick or had his camera stolen before saving the pictures it wouldn't've been a disaster to us.
But otherwise, if you want the kind of service the photographer in question apparently provides, the price seems fair enough. Why anyone would want it is what I don't understand.
Adrian Harris: Nicely written, but I think you should have clarified 'Auto focus doesn't work well with most dslr's', because most other types of cameras auto focus uses the CDAF principal and work stuningly well for macro work. Thats why I bought a Panasonic G1 M4/3 camera, which never mis-focus on macro work. And of course another bonus is that smaller sensors do not suffer from the same DOF limitations as a full size dslr.
Sometimes you have to settle on great. :-)For example, flying insects won't wait for long exposures and then autofocus can be useful.
Ed Richer: Thank you for a good review but...don't you think it is a little late? Summer vacations are winding down here in USA since schools starts in just a few days. I needed this review back in June when I was looking for a replacement for the Canon D-10. Maybe it was for the better since the D-10 still works very well, so I saved some money.
Are they really freeze-proof?I'd actually like to see a winter-camera review, how well they work in cold, how cold they work in and for how long, how they handle exposure in snowy scenes, how controls work with heavy mitts &c.(Canon G11 turned out surprisingly usable last winter all the way down to -30C.)
Somewhat disappointing review, in particular it gives very little idea of picture quality underwater - why no underwater picture comparison??! Also, Ricoh PX is criticized for poor underwater image quality because it defaults to high iso with flash! Surely that is a matter of ergonomics, not picture quality. I want to know how good pictures it produces underwater if you set low ISO manually (or in general, what's the picture quality for each camera at its best - ergonomics are a separate issue).
And I can't help marveling how Sony can be so praised when it's in fact all but useless in the target environment, under water.