just a note: Zeiss has a 15mm/f2.8 for Leica and Zeiss Ikon for over $4000....
Nikon DL 18-50/1.8-2.8 .... it seems very nice (a wide angle of over 90 degrees at 1.8 with 20 MP) .... looks very good for low light ....But... then, there is no EVF (you have to buy one for $350) and the max ISO is only 6400 ....For someone it would have been better to limit the sensor at 16, (or even 12 MP) and increase the ISO to 25,600 and try to squeeze an EVF, even if the camera size would be a little bigger...
Valentinian: the GX8 is splash and dustproofit has a magnesium/aluminum body, cost at launch was comparable to the Pen F (But now it costs less).Yet . according to DPReview, IT IS NOT mentioned as being competitive with the Pen F. (only Sony and Fujy are, according to DPrevew).
Wonder what happened between Panasonic and DPreview.....
am still working. and no not really having much spare time. Other sites did review the GX8, so it's not that I need DPreview review to know about it. Just that I like this site, and think the reviewer are objective and competent. It's Just disappointing that they have not been allowed to review the GX8 .
The Pen F was reviewed at light speed, while it is clear that the GX8 will not be reviewed at all.DPreview lost some credibility regarding independence in the choice of cameras to be reviewed. At this point I even wonder about the Pen F score of 82. The GX8 is better than the Pen F, what would have been the GX8 score if it were reviewed?
User1919566996: I don't understand why no one is comparing the new PEN-F with the Panasonic LX8 and not the Sony A6000. They are using the same Sony sensor. An I can't understand why Olympus can't get their head around 4K.
You mean "Panasonic GX8" (not LX8).There must be a reason only DPReview knows ;)Maybe the same reason why the GX8 review will never appear, while the Pen F review was rushed at light speed....
Looking at the picture of the doe, at 400mm: the lens seems pretty good to me. Also the stabilization (shutter 1/80) worked well.The camera used was the E M-1: what was used, the camera is, or the lens ois?
blakevanderbilt: Unbelievable... Why don't they just make the 24-70 already
Xentinus wrote: "This will be ultimate portrait lens for aps-c users!", a zoom? why a zoom for portrait? the best portrait lens is a prime lens
This f1.8 zoom is heavy and expensive. With modern sensors allowing higher and higher ISO, the only reason left to make zooms f 1.4 and 1.8 is to bring out the subject from the background..... for some photographers that might be a good enough reason to spend more money and carry more weight... for others (including me) f 2.8 would be good enough....
racin06: How many articles is DPR going to do on the Pen-F? Really? IMO, the Pen-F is an ugly camera. Then again, I don't purchase cameras based upon aesthetics.
one doesn't have to be a troll to notice the different attitude Dpreview has for the Pen F and the GX8, which came up six months before the Pen F and it has water sealing, 4K which the Pen F doesn't....
FuhTeng: While people are fussing about all the PEN-F articles, can I ask for a GX8 review? I want to know how well the IBIS works with the Oly lenses, like the 12-40 and 40-150 Pros.
"...people are fussing about all the PEN-F..."Actually it is Dpreview "fussing" about the Pen F article after article, and not reviewing the GX8, after its six months release, (and the GX8 includes water sealing, 4K, and the dfd like the GH4....)
the GX8 is splash and dustproofit has a magnesium/aluminum body, cost at launch was comparable to the Pen F (But now it costs less).Yet . according to DPReview, IT IS NOT mentioned as being competitive with the Pen F. (only Sony and Fujy are, according to DPrevew).
DPREVIEW writes:'the most direct competitors for the PEN-F are probably Sony's a6000 and Fujifilm's just-announced X-E2S - both of which are APS-C format cameras".
The only mention of the GX8 was that the Pen F uses the same sensor of the GX8.
Thank you. However, wish that the lenses AF capability were also brought up.
funny, the set od D500 with 16-80mm F2.8E ED VR lens costs a couple of dollars more than buying them separatedly.
Thank you and a very Merry Christmas and a happy holiday season to all at DPReview (and may a GX8 review arrive with the new year)
Does the lcd of the E PL7 allow tap to track a moving subject locked in continuous AF ?
paulfulper: I will never buy a Leica camera , ever....I don't understand why you have to spend mountains of money when there are 100s of cameras that give high quality photos for a fraction of the Leica cost . They might be more durable with a little extra quality but that's not important to me.
In the film era Leica made sense. Now it make sense only if the Leica buyer can afford to replace it with another Leica in a few years after the sensor etc technology will have improved significantly. This Leica SL has the best EVF and a competitive everything else; but for how many years can that be said?
This Leica EVF seems so good that all the Leica manual focus M lenses can be used like one could use them on the Leica M rangefinder
wonder when an EVF like this Leica EVF will find its way in more affordable cameras. Then manual focus will be nice again
Sony (IMO) is taking advantage of the Nikon/Canon reluctance to do what Olympus did: Go full speed mirrorless (while still providing support for the owners of dslr lenses).Canon and Nikon may become dinosaurs if Sony keeps producing great FF cameras, and if Canon & Nikon don't wake up end really jump into the mirrorless wagon