Frank Neunemann: OK, technically it is an interesting project, ...but what's the point?
THAT IS the point - it's technically interesting.
Jeff Seltzer: This was incredible and interesting. I love all the negative comments below, probably from the the same people who walk into the Chicago Art Institute, look at the modern paintings, and say "Hey, what's the big deal?! I can do that!"
Well, here's the thing: you DID NOT do that. Just like you didn't do this. Go take more photos of your cats, sunsets, macro flowers, etc. That's fine, but try not to dismiss truly innovative work so easily.
Good grief. You guys are taking things too literally - I was using an analogy. I wasn't claiming this was art. I was comparing the negative comments ("stupid," "what's the point?" etc.) to similar comments I hear at museums ("this is stupid, my child could make this."). I don't think this is "art" and I don't think the people behind this project claim it's art. It's a project.
This was incredible and interesting. I love all the negative comments below, probably from the the same people who walk into the Chicago Art Institute, look at the modern paintings, and say "Hey, what's the big deal?! I can do that!"
Paul1974: This is just to keep the firmware-update trolls from trolling. Even though there really isn't anything that needs to be adressed by these updates, people will simply feel better when there is one. It's like mirrors, you don't really need them but some photographers cling to them.
Right, makes perfect sense that Sony would develop and announce an un-needed firmware update. Funny how the pretend fixes address concerns raised in numerous reviews.
russbarnes: Massive, massive yawn. Fuji have already become as predictable in this market as Canon has with its DSLRs. Every single release near identical to the last, the sensor is the same to three years ago, it's like Fuji are playing a fruit machine trying to find the right combination of a body that actually sells. The fact is that until they enter the full frame market, no one will take them seriously, if they put this body around something like the A7R sensor then it would sell, but failing to produce any lenses that could be used on full frame suggests this is years away. By then, Sony will have stolen the march on them.
I'm at a loss as to who believes this is a winning strategy from Fuji because their sales are so bad they don't even register in some countries. If they want to prise away customers from the DSLR market, it's not going to happen with £1000 crop sensor cameras and £1000 crop sensor lenses....
I just ordered one. I guess I'm an idiot.
Good grief. I think people need therapy - so much hostility. All they did was introduce an improved version of an optional grip. You can choose to buy it or not. If you really like it, but $150 is too much and you can't afford it, then you probably shouldn't be buying expensive cameras in the first place. I don't know, I guess I just don't see the bad side of all this like so many of you.
eaa: Min. aperture F16?That is not normal for an FF lens, where F22 or 32 are the norm.Why a min aperture even below the diffraction limit?Must be a typo (like the initially wrong weight (85 gr), now corrected to 470 gr.
Under what circumstances would you want f22 vs. f16?
white shadow: The X100s is a reasonably good camera for casual use and perhaps for travel. Some like the " Leica look alike" look because they couldn't afford the real McCoy Leica M. It is a fairly good camera to take casual portraits. That's about it.
A full frame DSLR is still the more versatile camera if one is serious about photography despite its heavier weight. It will deliver the goods expected of a professional photographer or for those who engaged them to shoot.
Similar to a Micro 4/3 camera, it will remain a camera for casual use or for collectors who like the look. For practical casual use, the Ricoh GR may be better. For sheer convenience, the Lumix LX7 is surprisingly very useful despite its much smaller sensor especially in low light.
1. I could afford a Leica, but I wanted an X-pro1 instead.
2. What is your definition of versatile? My 5DII wasn't nearly as versatile sitting in my camera bag vs. my X-pro1 which is always with me due to form factor and weight.
3. I hardly consider what I do "casual." There are many pros using the X-system.
To all the haters below...don't worry, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before DPR features your museum quality pictures of babies, sunsets, butterfly macros, and cats...hold tight!
Very cool, but the cost of film is SOOO high.
mcshan: Kim Kardashian could snap a photo and sell it for big money. If she did that some on this forum would refer to her as an artist no matter how mundane the photo.
@Howard: b craw's point? Maybe. I thought the point is that it's silly to think K.K. can take a photo and that be considered art, because to be considered true fine art, the fine art world (museums, collectors, galleries, publications) need to validate it as such. My point is that those on this forum (you!) who just dismiss these images as "simple, anyone can take them..." are at the same time calling museums, collectors, galleries, and publication foolish. But, the reality is that YOU don't really understand what defines "fine art" photography. That's okay, though, it's a difficult concept. If you are truly interested, email me. I'm not trying to be antagonistic here.
Very well said...it's like some people here believe galleries, collectors, and museums are just stupid. If it was up to most here, galleries would primarily hang sunsets, cats, kids, and food shots.
Jeff Seltzer: Well, it's no surprise to read the chorus of "I could do that!" and "This is art??" and "What a bunch of crap!" It's amazing to me you people (yeah, I said it...you people) who come to PHOTOGRAPHY FORUM can not understand and appreciate some of the greatest photographers of all time! Do you even know anything about Gursky?? Have you seen any of his works in-person? Looked at any of his dozens of books?? What you seem to NOT understand is that fine art photography is not about one image, but a body of work, and the importance of that work in the overall medium. You people are the same who walk into a museum, and say "what's with the abstract painting?? It looks like a kid did that!"
Sorry to say, but your images of cats, sunsets, and kids are NOT hanging in museums or on the walls of collectors for a reason. Instead of quickly judging single images, try to do a little research on WHY these images are so sought after.
Somehow, based on your sarcasm, my sense is that you really don't want to engage in a conversation about why Gursky is so important. Try Google.
Well, it's no surprise to read the chorus of "I could do that!" and "This is art??" and "What a bunch of crap!" It's amazing to me you people (yeah, I said it...you people) who come to PHOTOGRAPHY FORUM can not understand and appreciate some of the greatest photographers of all time! Do you even know anything about Gursky?? Have you seen any of his works in-person? Looked at any of his dozens of books?? What you seem to NOT understand is that fine art photography is not about one image, but a body of work, and the importance of that work in the overall medium. You people are the same who walk into a museum, and say "what's with the abstract painting?? It looks like a kid did that!"
Matz03: wow this site is so full of whiners! You don't like adobe don't buy it! $80 upgrade is really that expensive, what a joke. Even $150 for the product is still a steal for what you get, probably more important then other photo gear you'll purchase.
Henry, very well crafted. You are very smart.
Seriously. Some guy below claims Adobe's decision is an assault on his freedom??!! Anyway, it's not like your version 4.x doesn't work anymore. For me, the new features are very much worth it. But, hey, that's me - I'm a big spender, I guess. I'm Mr. Big.
Jeff Seltzer: I have been using and enjoying the Beta version of 5. I think there are some significant feature updates vs. 4. For any of you that have purchased v5, are there are new features not in the beta? ALSO, what's with all the hostility towards Adobe?? It's just software. Lighten up.
Like I said, Lighten up. It's just software. Sorry, I think you are over-reacting. Adobe is not taking away your freedom. Good grief.
I have been using and enjoying the Beta version of 5. I think there are some significant feature updates vs. 4. For any of you that have purchased v5, are there are new features not in the beta? ALSO, what's with all the hostility towards Adobe?? It's just software. Lighten up.
Nothing worries me. If it's worth it, I'll buy. If not, I won't.
Roland Karlsson: This is a famous photo, no doubt. And several here has come to its defence when others claims its the emperors new clothes.
Although it has some charms, I cannot really understand its greatness.
I would be very grateful to anyone that can explain to me why it is so fantastic.
Roland, it's a legit question. To understand why this image is so "great" you need to understand the importance of Eggleston. It's easy to look at this (and the rest of his work) as simple snapshots now, but 40+ years ago, the idea of documenting the "mundane" details around you was new. And, his use of color as a primary focal point in his images was unprecedented - he was basically the first non-advertising photographer to use color in such a way. He was the first to see the beauty that surrounds us with every day objects, and the way he used color as a primary "character" or subject was (is) amazing. His color printing process was also revolutionary. So, like a lot of fine art, you need to understand what the image represents, and not analyze just the image. This image is symbolic of a movement, and is representative of a body of work that revolutionized color photography. If you look at my work, for example, you can see why I appreciate him so much.