Jeff Seltzer: Enjoyment and recall are two different things. Also, it's one thing to take a few snapshots, it's entirely another thing to practically view the entire experience through your mobile phone. And, from a research standpoint, it's a very difficult thing to measure anyway because of the difficulty in controlling for confounding variables and setting up a proper test vs. control design. Here's what I do know: when I go to a concert or event for my kid, I enjoy taking a few pictures to preserve the memory. However, I find it incredibly strange when others take our their iPhones, and view the entire event on that 3" screen instead of just watching it "live" in front of them. I also find it strange that people in museums take pictures of paintings. Why? Also, food...again, why? What exactly are you going to do with those pictures??
...I"m pretty sure that 30 years from now, this strange ritual of taking a picture of every course you eat and posting it to Instagram will be something everybody laughs about, sort of like how we look at fashion from the 80's.
Really? You take pictures to remember what you had? So, a few months from now you go to the archives and pull up the images of that pasta with shrimp: "Oh, yes, that was really good, I remember that now..." Sorry, just seems a little weird. Also, maybe you just archive the food photos to help you recall your favorite meals, but many people feel the need to post them to Instagram and other social media. Trust me. No one else really cares.
I will save you all the time and trouble. You're welcome...
"These photos are just okay, nothing special. I could have easily taken these photos myself, even though I didn't. Anyway, my photos of sunsets, flower macros, cute kids, and RAW processing comparisons are far superior. Oh! And my cat photos. Forgot about those....those are better, too."
Well, I guess "inspiration" is as good as any reason. Personally, I find it sort of strange when I go to museum and I see people moving from painting to painting just snapping pics on their phone - it's almost like they don't think they have actually enjoyed it until they've taken a photo. Same with food. It's like some kind of weird custom now, like putting your napkin on your lap. But, if it makes you happy to think your friends could never see famous paintings if not for your photos, or you need to see pictures of other peoples' meals to inspire you to try new food, than go for it. I just find it strange.
Enjoyment and recall are two different things. Also, it's one thing to take a few snapshots, it's entirely another thing to practically view the entire experience through your mobile phone. And, from a research standpoint, it's a very difficult thing to measure anyway because of the difficulty in controlling for confounding variables and setting up a proper test vs. control design. Here's what I do know: when I go to a concert or event for my kid, I enjoy taking a few pictures to preserve the memory. However, I find it incredibly strange when others take our their iPhones, and view the entire event on that 3" screen instead of just watching it "live" in front of them. I also find it strange that people in museums take pictures of paintings. Why? Also, food...again, why? What exactly are you going to do with those pictures??
I will save some people the trouble. Let's see, um, yes, this is the usual message for Reader Showcases and Respected World Photography contests: Let's see...
"Some of these shots are okay, but most I find mediocre at best. Some of them seem over-processed, or just lucky. Also, they are tired and cliche. Also, I could have done these if I had the chance to travel to these locations."
There, I saved you all a bunch of time. Your're welcome. Now, get back to your own photography - we need more butterfly macros, cute kid shots, sunsets, and don't forget snapshots of your backyard to compare sharpening techniques. Thanks.
Really? Nearly 350 comments on this, um, issue? It's not like there was some huge redesign. It's just lighter. Meanwhile, there's not even 90 combined comments on the last two Reader Showcases (which show actual photography by actual photographers).
ruicarv79: I would love to know the criteria behind these "Readers' Showcase" choices. Another dull, meaningless photographer. What's so special about these photos? Cannot understand, really. Sorry but can't help not expressing my opinion.
BadScience, I agree that you don't need to justify an opinion. But, it certainly helps, especially when that opinion is contrary to the opinion of industry leaders (e.g., judges from a prestigious contest (World Press, CA, Sony, Nat Geo, etc.) or editors of a popular photography website (e.g., DP Review).
It's like me saying, "I saw the movies nominated for the Oscars...I thought they all were just average." Or, me walking into a museum of contemporary art and saying, "big deal...my kid could paint this!" Sure, I'm entitled to my opinion, because an opinion can never be wrong...but, well, you know where I stand.
You don't like a working professional's work? Fine. But, at least put together a constructive argument. At least take the time to look at his or her website. I believe part of the problem is that people just click through the pictures and judge them individually. Look at one's body of work. Look at the publications and achievements.
This is not a "everyone's a winner" attitude. It's literally, often, the exact opposite here: DPR showcase's the WINNING photos of a contest, and you get people say, "these are midi core at best." By definition, that's not true. So, if you are in favor of improving and "learning opportunities" then perhaps the people so quick to put down a pro's work should first ask themselves, "Hmmm, I don't like these, but I wonder what it is about them that other's see?"
@Operator: I never said that it's wrong to share an opinion. It's just that, without exception, every time a photographer is showcased here (either like this, or winning photos of widely regarded contests judged by well regarded pros) there are multiple, "this is not very good/special/not noteworthy/mediocre" comments. Way more than you see on other photography sites.
Many (most?) of the photography showcases are from working professional photographers. And, many (most?) of the negative comments are from amateur, weekend warrior pixel peepers with galleries filled with cat photos, sunsets, and kid portraits. If you fall into the latter category, and not the former category, than your opinion/critique out to be more substantial than, "these photos are boring." For me, more than anything, it's just respect.
@Ruicarv79, if you don't like his work, no problem. But, go to this website - he's clearly an accomplished photographer with a large following. Taken individually, each photo might seem familiar, but look at his body of work as a whole.
Simply saying this work is "boring" is, itself, a very lazy critique and sounds very similar to those that, for example, walk into a contemporary museum and say, "what's the big deal, my kid could draw that." That is, when an unaccomplished amateur arrogantly puts down a professional photographer and call his or her work "not worth highlighting" it sounds a bit silly.
Skipper494: I've been involved in computers since 1948 (PLCs) and modern computers since 1965 (Metals Research Quantimet, needing the arrangement of 225 connections to program), and am well aware of the vagaries of manufacturers and sales departments. How would you like to be in charge of an exhibit in Philadelphia and have the exhibit computer ($60,000) arrive with the power supply broken loose and lying in the bottom of the cabinet? The release of an update even before the shipments arrive at the dealers is a demonstration of incompetence in any company, despite which, I enjoy my S2 Pro, X-A1 and X-E2, regardless of Fuji being years behind in the MP area.
Since you've been involved with computers since, apparently, the beginning of time, you should understand that, since the beginning of time, there has never been a significant software release without bugs. The fact that Fuji actually proactively releases updates to fix these bugs is quite refreshing (vs. some other companies...i'm looking at you Apple!). Furthermore, Fuji has a strong track record of firmware updates that don't just fix bugs, but enhance existing features or even introduce new features -- even to the point where the changes result in what amounts to, in essence, a new camera.
Jeff Seltzer: For those complaining that the camera is "overpriced." Some thoughts: There are two general ways to make a profit - sell a lot at a low price, or sell less at a higher price. Fuji has chosen the latter, and has chosen to position itself in more of a "niche" category appealing to a certain segment which, believe me, they have carefully profiled. Also, remember that Fuji waits longer to release newer versions of cameras, and instead gives *free* firmware updates that are often more than simple bug fixes, i.e., add new features or significantly improve existing features -- often to the point where firmware upgrades result in what other manufactures would call a new camera. Sometimes, good things cost more.
Thermidor, are you saying the XPro2 is even more expensive where you live? I can't tell if you are referring to an exchange rate issue, or if Fuji is just more expensive in absolute terms. Can you clarify?
For those complaining that the camera is "overpriced." Some thoughts: There are two general ways to make a profit - sell a lot at a low price, or sell less at a higher price. Fuji has chosen the latter, and has chosen to position itself in more of a "niche" category appealing to a certain segment which, believe me, they have carefully profiled. Also, remember that Fuji waits longer to release newer versions of cameras, and instead gives *free* firmware updates that are often more than simple bug fixes, i.e., add new features or significantly improve existing features -- often to the point where firmware upgrades result in what other manufactures would call a new camera. Sometimes, good things cost more.
Andrei L: I'm eagerly anticipating the dumping prices three to four years from now plus the firmware updates this will be receiving by that time, not to mention upcoming smaller form factor lenses to double as cheaper WR alternatives to the current 1.4's, as the 35mm has seen :)
I'd really rather enjoy it if they ever released a proper SLR for the optical bit and saving that battery while always seeing the actual framing. Not to mention truly functional PDAF and continuous tracking, as the hipster image thing really starts getting in the way of what can be otherwise called a solid and moderately compact camera system.
@Andriel - why buy now when you can buy later? Simple: lots of pictures to take now.
aerorail: why is 82% a silver award for some cameras and also a gold award for others?
Lol. I should say that the review processed seems positioned for a Millennial mindset, or more specifically, a "community of collaboration." But, I guess this language from your explanation page really says all I need to know:
"Although, taken on its own, this overall rating figure has little real 'meaning', it does give you an idea of how the camera ranks...compared with the other cameras..."
Thanks, Richard. I understand it. I just don't agree with it. Again, so many examples of how to it right. If you want to be viewed as providing an expert opinion source, than take a stand - don't make it wishy washy. The idea of personalizing a score is a bit silly. I want an expert review and for the reviewer to take a position. It's like a bunch of Millennials are running the show over there, lol. Why not just start awarding "participation" trophies??! Here's my advice (and if you message me, I'll give you more background on my own career as I do have credibility in this regard): scrap the "point" system since is so inherently subjective anyway. Give a good narrative review, then "grade" the camera based on expert opinions.
If you really must stick with a point system, look to, say, Road and Track as a way to do it right, i.e., a mix of objective and subjective metrics which lead to a final score.
Richard, that's the problem! A camera that takes great images and yet is a pain to use is like a car that drives great but has poor ergonomics. Or, like a restaurant that has great food, but poor service. Or, like a gymnast that is great technically, but has poor artistic ability. Or, like dozens of other things that are judged and awarded. If a camera takes great pictures and has poor handling, it should not receive a high score. There are lots of examples of scoring that include both objective and subjective metrics. Point is this: if you are going to give a score and award, the two should absolutely be connected, i.e., a certain score results in a certain award. Or, of course, there are lots of examples of awards given with no scoring. Just pick a system.
Why not eagerly anticipate 3-4 years from 3-4 years from now, when a newer camera will be less expensive? Or, maybe even 3-4 years from that point? At 46 years old, I'm hardly a hipster. The XPro2 is probably my favorite camera.
I've never noticed that! It makes no sense to not connect the scoring system and award. I can't think of any judging system that does't use the score to determine the award. It's like scoring a 92 on a test, and the teacher giving you a B+ as a subjective grade. What?? I mean the whole camera review is subjective in a sense, right? There's no official scoring system for various features, etc.