Octane: Looks great. But everything takes about twice as much screen space now without giving you twice the amount of information. Especially the old tight and compact list of threads was great, but now is a long 'padded' list. Not sure that's really an improvement.
I entirely agree. it's no longer easy to pick up on a thread..... scroll scroll scroll....
RussellInCincinnati: Perhaps DPreview should note that this adapter does not cause the current Sony Nex cameras to enter their always-bright-viewfinder mode. This is in contrast to the behavior of a Nex with a Sony Nex flash attached. I.e. when a Nex flash is mounted and activated, the camera can automatically enter a mode where the viewfinder brightness is always reasonable, no matter what manual exposure settings have been made.
One would have thought that their experience with Betamax / VHS would have made Sony realise the error of their ways. They do the same with Batteries and it just convinces me never to by Sony products. Anyway the Fuji XPro-1 is a better camera and fitted with a standard hot shoe.
highwave: So much for the claimed extra sharp images due to lack of an AA filter. Images don't look any sharper than other 16 MP comparable cameras.
ISO performance is stunning on the other hand. But there is something fishy about how the images look. It's as though noise reduction is being applied to RAW regardless of settings. If not than that is really FF rivaling performance on the ISO front.
I agree. As my macro shots prove.
MoltenP: Hmm, I'm not convinced everything is in focus. The playing card is pretty soft, but the foreground items are sharp.
I have the K5 which along with the D7000 is regarded highly. and i can't get the same level of detail with the SP90 lens
shaocaholica: There's a solution many M9 owners have for the lackluster rear LCD. Just lose it altogether. When you shot film, you don't know what the photo looked like till it was developed and that 'charm' is missing when shooting digital so if you're going in for a penny on retro handling you might as well go in for a pound.
MENANT "Taking pictures with a Leica M be it a film one or a digitalone compels the photographer to use it differentky from a DSLR. the rangefinder is unique in letting you see what is outside the area you're going to photograph"
Not true... Any camera with an optical viewfinder usualy has a 'frame' which defines the taken image. Leica is better than most, but not unique.
The Fuji X-Pro1 is the latest challenger, and will be found (when DP Review publish their report) to be where Leica should be for the M10.
But Leica will never match their price point. Nor will Fuji have the 'red dot', unless you get one stuck on.... :-)
Just see the examples in the Fuji forum to see just how good this camera is.. 'Press reviews are sying it's better than full frame'. My own experience over a month of use would agree.
Alex N: Could have been great, but they went and used a small sensor and killed it.
I have an x-100, which is really good except no range/DOF indication on the lens and poor battery life in ON mode. But I can live with that.
The only reason I would pay $1600 to switch to a bigger and heavier body would be to use my M mount 35/1.2 lens again. But the small sensor makes it meaningless.
Just what were they thinking? Why no full frame? I'd have gladly paid a $1000 more, and neither Canon nor Nikon have a problem making FF bodies in that price range.
I think that resolves the dr issue.
If it had a leica badge,it would sell. It's design is as rediculous as the M9. Without.....? The should have followed the Fuji/Olympus retro theme. (Although I think the K5 design is itself a future classic). Plenty examples in the Pentax catalogue.
Summit_pg: Do something sooner than later Fuji. This kind of garbage coming out after the whole aperture blade issue with the X100 is making Fuji products look like junk. Love the X10; hate the baggage it brings with it. Signed: A disappointed X10 owner.
If you take a sunset over the Ocean, you won't be at ISO100 - which seems to be the culprit... . You will be on at leat ISO400 and DR 400 - And you won't get Orbs (or any worse than most. What you will get is shadow detail and no burned out highlights except that big Orb that keeps us alive. I've tried it and Its OK.
As an X10 owner, I realy want to know how many other peoples images have been ruined by 'orbs' - As a %.. For me I ruin far far more by being too hasty with the shutter, and not thinking about the image and composition!
One month On, 1600+X10 shots and no shots 'ruined' Orbs.... :-) Plenty by my haste... :-(
Just to put some perspective on this.. I've had lens dust from an early camera (low hundreds) and that was replaced (Jessops) as soon as they had new stock. WDB I may have had, but not at a level which I have noticed over 1500+ images so far. And under all kighting conditions. Would I by another? Yes, as the advantages outweigh this problem (for me).I think if you look for the perfect camera, you would never own one.
If i had to guess, it is mainly seen by photographers in more sunier climes than the UK mid Winter. What is ISO 100?
I have trust in Fuji to fix this, by firmware or replacement with an X10/II. Pentax did with the early K5's (which had sensor marks). And I'm sure DPReview will keep everyone informed
CameraLabTester: It's amusing to see camera brands trying to start something "NEW" in terms of standards...Ricoh GXRNikon 1Etc.It's also sad to see them crash and burn...APS FilmDisk CameraMemory StickBeta Max
Beta was technicaly superior to VHS - but Sony (being Sony) didn't lease out the format, whilst Panasonic did, and won.
Pentax was similar to Panasonic, with quite a few brands using the K Mount (for which all us Pentax users are still gratefull). Nikon and Canon won by making better designed cameras with mote technical innovations in the 80's.
Now Sony are forging ahead with the NEX, and the market is running scared of the IPhone. Technicaly the Sony 16MP chip is (to me) as good as I need on the APS-C K5 - and I guess Nikon users of the 7000 /5100 feel the same.
Ricoh / Pentax do now need to come up with something, and using that chip is obvious. The Q is a side line.
Fuji has winers with the X100 / X10 (The latter I have and it's great).
Itai42: Skin tones seem quite pleasing - and it is certainly a benefit to be able to use medium format glass - but I don't get the excitement from the IQ...Dynamic range seem to me to be really awful and in terms of detail - I'm not sure you wouldn't get similar results by up-sampling a high end DSLRs' images... especially on higher ISO.We'll have to wait for the full review... In any case - I still wouldn't object getting one as a birthday present :-)
DR? Go look at the DXO tests......
PG Thomas: DPR "it is also possible to shoot both JPEG and Raw files in 'DR' EXR mode by manually selected medium (6MP) resolution, and choosing 'DR200%' or 'DR400%' from the shooting menu."
Sorry - I don't think this is true. You can employ DR100-400% DR in 6 or 12MP modes whilst in PSAM and can shoot raw. But there is a question as to this being 'true' EXR. I.e. by altering the sensor is not proven. Indeed the 'EXR mode' (as selected on the 'Mode' Dial!) specificaly EXCLUDES Raw. The explenation may be as I have mentioned in an earler comment.
DPR should broach this issue with FUJI in the forthcoming review.
Yes I have just tried it. OK. But is it 'EXR' - which I only attribute to the sensor modes. Isn't these PASM modes just like most cameras which flatten the exposure curve? to 'increase' the DR.
DPR "it is also possible to shoot both JPEG and Raw files in 'DR' EXR mode by manually selected medium (6MP) resolution, and choosing 'DR200%' or 'DR400%' from the shooting menu."
Dan Ortego: Maybe I've spent too much time with an M8 Leica and primes. Most of the shots appear soft, noisy or saturated. Only three looked half way presentable (Church, water, fence/leaf). I have higher hopes for the NEX7 with new Carl Zeiss fast 24mm. Then again, that's about a 2+k package.
And an M8 Costs?... :-)
The NEX7 24MP sensor is reported to be noisy. I would stick with your M8 and buy the X10 for fun.
Ive Had an X10 for two weeks now, and can confer that the DR is almost HDR like. And to some extent better as you don't get some of the false colour shifts that HDR is prone to.
One point to note, and which has been much discussion point on the Fuji forum, is the EXR mode. There are actualy two:-
1. A DR of 400% carried out by the EXR processor, in a similar way to all modern cameras by altering the exposure curve,
2 A DR of 400% carried out by the EXR Sensor itself, and unique to Fiji.
In combination one can push this (in EXR Mode) to a DR of 1600% !
So up to DR400% one can remain at 12MP in all modes, but above that it is ONLY available at 6MP...
Because you can also (in 6MP EXR mode) set the DR at 400%, some think that in PASM this is pixel binning as well. And it may well be at 6MP (No one is sure on this). But it physicaly carn't be at 12MP.
So when DPR show a 'EXR' DR400% image at 12MP - be assured it isn't anything to do with the Unique Sensor.
I think Pentax must be laughing, as the Q is getting good press (if you want small and interchangeable lenses). And Fuji with the X10 will lead the 'pro' compact group in 2012. Sony have the best overall product - if you want quality in this group.
I like Nikon, but I agree, it is a missed opportunity, without a strong price differential - who would buy this?.
For the P&S brigade, The new generation iphones will eat into this market anyway...
DSLR Systems... I Agree. I don't need another system! My K5 handles everything I need to do, but what it doesn't do is fit in my PC Bag when I'm out and about. The F200EXR does, (as did the F31 before it) but is showing signs of age...Up to now what 've seen shows that Fuji have woken up9at last). Stop at the F600 PLEASE, and start producing decent IQ again with lenses tac sharp corner to corner.
My only negative on the X10 is that, some level of water resistance would have been nice to see, given it's 'professional' image and expected day to day use.
I have pre ordered...
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