soundknight21: Gx85 had an explore down that way too. The gx85 is so much more for the money.
Actually, it's not. But if you think so, you should buy it.
Mike FL: The problem for this $1200 body only is the $800 Panasonic GX85 with lens.
The selling point of Olympus is IBIS, but Pana has been catching up as:
- Pana GX7's IBIS is better than nothing- Pana GX8's IBIS is better than GX7, but still worse than Oly- Pana GX85 is better than GX8 per Panasonic
It is not easy to make a decent IBIS, but Pana GX85 may be only half stop away from Oly per SPEC.
Can Oly hold the current price? Wait and see.
All rationalizations. When the GX85 is as good, or better, you'll have a point.
I bought a PEN-F to replace my E-M5 and I'm still getting command of it. One thing I've noticed in both my own experience, and in the video, is that the camera's continuous AF is a bit unstable and will continue to hunt even after it has established focus on a target. Also, it looks like the camera-woman favored a shallow DoF over uniform focus on some of her subjects to the extent that I found it distracting.
Great video story telling though. The content really overcame any technical issues from the camera. This type of production really compliments the technical content of DPR's normal in-depth reviews.
Rusk: It just gets so stupid that every focal length is lied to the audience face.... "50mm f/1.8", "12mm f/2" and "150mm f/1.8".
Seriously, just state the real focal length of the lens.... We do know what field of view it will give us and everything else. There is no logic or reason to convert anything.
Have to agree–really should use the branded actual FL. If FF equivalent is important, add it in parentheses or as a footnote. It wouldn't surprise me if the FF numbers were an Oly marketing dept requirement. Gotta' love MBAs...
FantasticMrFox: In contrast to most of the commenters I'm somewhat disappointed - how is this a review? Felt more like a lesson on the history of local Blues, but I hardly learnt anything about the camera.
@pixtorial: How much less could you care?
Another "almost there" product from the MFA's at the big conglomerates. Nice try ladies! Welcome to the BIGs, but...
Back to B school for you. (Really–ALMOST there! Keep up the marketing classes!)
dotyman: Is there any advantage to Bridge over LR? They seem redundant, and I like the comprehensive photo processing solution (global editing and file management) of LR.
Seems the same to me. LR looks at the photos in a folder and builds previews to facilitate global adjustments. For Bridge to make adjustments it opens the photo in ACR.
Photoshop is good for local pixel editing and complete control, but I find it more cumbersome for global, photo-centric adjustments.
LR provides test PP in the Library module and full PP in the Develop module. Can batch process, rate and select quickly in LR too.
How is Bridge with videos–any limitations, like LR?
Thanks for the replies...
MariusM: So...these are made specially for the Fuji X-PRO cameras? ; )
Well, I tried the Ultra Stick Super 8 with my 5DIII and I would say it's definitely not a good idea. The plastic cams inside the tubes that hold them extended aren't strong enough to hold much weight and if you really crank them tight, you risk damaging them (as I did). Luckily, Velbon was good enough to send me a replacement. I'll only use it with lighter cameras (i.e. PEN-F).
pkcpga: The camera store put out an updated or revised review of the pen f. It seems the autofocus is really that poor even verse the least expensive omd.
Can you post a link? Granted the Continuous AF is as bad as my E-M5, but doesn't seem worse. The S-AF seems just as good to me...
What are the complaints?
Capture the Moment: A superb balance of old n new. Now a proud owner of this camera and I just love it. My only gripe is the not so clever thinking in removing the memory card when the accessory grip is in place.
For me the ace feature is the colour/mono profiles and cool front panel dial.
I have learned to attach the grip as much toward the back of the camera as possible, and to "flick" the card out using the spring tension as much as possible. It's not perfect, but it works for me...
Also love the camera, BTW (not just for it's beauty folks!) (Oh, and I'm not a Hipster either!!)
soundknight21: Its like a Pany G7 without 4k.Whats the point? except to LOOK like a photographic journalist?The price is ridiculous considering the power of similarly priced gear.
Its interesting how the Pany GX8 fans are over reacting to other peoples comparissons between these two. Of course the gx8 is better technically. Although I dont think there was an agenda to holding the gx8 review off until after the pen f review I still think it poor form for the gx8 review to have not been done. The most important mft camera of 2015. But we also have to aknowledge that as guests we do not pay to read this column and thus should take all opinions with a grain of salt and simply sit back to enjoy the 'camera porn'.
Um, not really. You sound uniformed. I think you probably need to go shoot with the PEN-F before you can offer any opinion or comparison of the two.
Please come back and let us know what you think when you've experienced what both cameras have to offer...
danieladougan: Look at Olympus trying to be Apple.
Don't get me wrong...I like this camera. It certainly is sexy. But it's severely lacking as a value proposition. Within reason, I don't care how a camera looks. I only care about the pictures it allows me to take.
If it were weather-sealed and had phase-detect autofocus like the E-M1, then it could justify its high price. Or if it offered 4K video.
Side note: Come on, Olympus -- how long are you going to let Panasonic and Sony kill you with this before you offer a camera that can record 4K video?
Oh c'mon people! Get off the band-wagon and think for yourselves!!!
Just because it looks good doesn't mean it's not a serious tool. Yes, it lacks weatherization and 4K video. So what?? If these are important to you, then get an OMD/other or a camcorder/Pany/Sony et al. THIS CAMERA WASN'T DESIGNED FOR YOU. Get it? Oh, and it looks and functions awesomely (in case you care about that).
AnakChan: I picked up the Pen F on Friday and used it at the CP+ 2016 in Yokohama on Saturday. Coming from an aging GX1 (as such was using the Lumix 20/1.7 Gen1 lens on the Pen F), I have to say I was overwhelmed with the menu options.
Usage-wise, I left it at Av priority and didn't mess around with options too much. Love the exposure compensation dial. Found battery life was...meh. Put on my Voigtlander adapter & Leica Lux 35mm & 50mm, no issues there either. I used the EVF so didn't actually try the LCD zoomed display for manual focus.
Love the 5-axis stabiliser - I did push it down to 1/4 or 1/5 and seemed to have handled it ok.
Handling-wise, grip was small - I was a little concerned it'd slip through my fingers throughout the whole day but I had a wrist strap with me.
Overall results, a little warmer than I'm used to but seems there's an option buried in the menu (not referring to white balance menu option).
Everything new has a learning curve. All you have to do is spend a little concentrated time with it, and voila! – you get it.
Spend a little time with it.
jpeghorror: In the photo of the camera's backside, you can see the LCD sagging a bit. Seems like it has vertical play rather than locking into place. This kind of construction doesn't inspire confidence or seem worthy of a premium product.
OK, let's check...
Nope, mine's perfectly straight solidly planted that I often can't even pull it out easily with my fingers.
Not a problem.
Craig from Nevada: Other than battery life, the price is of this camera appears to be it biggest shortcoming. $899 looks about right for this camera. This can be fixed and it will probably happen when the E-M1 II is introduced.
Criminee, I paid $100 MORE for my E-M5 (Mark I)! This is a better camera.
Biggreydog: I don't do video and don't know anything about it, so this is a serious question. Please don't read it as being challenging or hostile.
If the lack of 4k video is a deal-breaker for you, why not look at dedicated video cameras instead? We seem to get more and more video features piled on to still cameras, which seems kind of like trying to make a camel into a horse.
It would seem to me that a videographer would prefer a camera that was designed from the ground up for video, but apparently that's not the case. Doesn't anybody make an affordable high quality video-only camera?
Can someone explain?
I am a product designer. I am often asked to present my designs in professional publications. Done.
Clients like my work. I am asked to shoot a short film, if I have capable equipment.
Done (sort of).
There goes 20 to 50K as I try to make my client happy!
Richard Murdey: In all honesty, I don't think we need to be told that the D7200 is more capable than the Pen-F. Once you start on that slope there's really no end to it.
The Pen-F is a prestige snapshot system camera aimed at jpeg shooters. It's no multi-purpose workhorse like the enthusiast Nikon dSLRs ... and there's no shame in that, either.
"prestige snapshot system?"
What does that mean ("just for hipsters?")
The more I shoot with this camera, the more I like it. Especially now that LR supports the RAW files.
I'm starting to think the nay-sayers are just jealous!
Try it and see for yourself.
Moula: I dream about PEN-F's sensor, EVF and stabilisation in E-P5 body with fixed LCD and weather sealing. And weather sealed M.Zuikos 10/1.7, 15/1.7, 20/1.7 and 65/1.7.
And for $250...
Is there any advantage to Bridge over LR? They seem redundant, and I like the comprehensive photo processing solution (global editing and file management) of LR.
Ruy Penalva: Mirrorless is a toy not a true camera for action, sports, small insects, birds, moving wide life, journalism. Maybe for video shooters.
Now there's a totally useless and unwelcome comment–not true either.