Sony has to be spastic! Now they drop the hotshoe just when the lens got fast enough for decent portraits and depth of field control (read high speed flash sync). Hello - hello? They can't even manage a stinking little sync port for flash triggers. Hopefully Panasonic will scale up the LX5/7 to m4/3 next time around, my money stays in my wallet until then. And Canon - he coulda been a contender just those crappy sensors kept him outa the ring. Maybe Canon will give up and just buy Sony sensors and get back in the race.
Storky: Hi there, as I'm in the lucky situation of owning both G1X-es (I was able to obtain the G1X mark II while I was in Japan), and a Canon 6D with some L lenses, I've done some informal comparison tests between the G1X mark 1 and the G1X mark 2, both set on maximally wide (as this is usually the most critical setting) and also the 6D with the 24mm 1.4L ii, for comparison.
The pictures are taken of one of my bookshelves, on a tripod, with manual focus (using live-view & the magnifyer). They are RAW pictures that I've converted to JPG using DPP, with no explicit post-processing at all. I don't know what DPP and/or the G1X-es do in camera, and to me it looks likely that some in-camera processing is performed in the G1X-es.
Here are the JPGs on Flickr.
For me, even though I can see that these lenses are not perfect, they are all clearly good enough for making fantastic pictures. Feel free to disagree.
JP, thanks for the reply. With the limit to 1/2000 it looks like the flash sync is the same as the G1X-MKI. 1/2000 is fine by me as most flashes lose a lot of power after 1/1000 anyway. I did down load the manual and couldn't find any specs on flash synchronization. Unlike you, this is a critical spec to me and is the first thing I check prior to considering for purchase.Thanks again for the reply.
Johno23: This Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 has pretty good features! It will definately please any buyer out there. However there is a newer model out which has not yet been released and is now available for preorder!It is definately worth the wait with superb features like 4K video and new auto focus technology.Check out the review! :) http://1stdigitalcamerasreviews.blogspot.com.au/
GH4 and GX7 are in completely different class and cost category.
JP, are the flash specs on the G1x-II the same as the G1X-I? Namely; 1/250 sync with external Canon ttl flash, HSS to 1/4000, and 1/2000 sync with internal flash? Also, are the flash control options (such as manual control of 430ex) the same (or better) than the G1X-I. Thanks in advance.
I also find this an interesting camera at a "fair" price. I just wish there were some confirmed specifications out there. For example:Flash sync speeds (couldn't even find in the manual). Type of shutter, if similar to Fuji x100s, does it have the same limitations? Does the data port for the viewfinder also support mic/headphone input/output?Since this is really a m4/3 format camera, the price seems very fair compared to the hideously overpriced m4/3 lenses, making this a strong contender for my $ compared to a Pany GX7.What they (Canon) needs to fix to really sell me: Flash pass-through port on the viewfinder - so I can have flash AND viewfinder not OR viewfinder.KILLER ACCESSORY: True optical viewfinder with superimposed info (zoom-able or three position (24/50/100) with FOV brightlines).Wishful development: Same camera but in-body shutter and m4/3 compliant mount with Canon made adapters for mounting M/EF-S/EF lenses.
Sony needs to develop a decent shutter. 1/160 flash synch - really? I'll pass.
FrankGr: Has anyone made excellent quality, sharp, very large prints - up to 20x30 inches with the GX7 files? Is it possible with a small sensor ?
And does it have eyepiece diopter adjustment ?
The need for 300 DPI to get good prints is misleading if not a myth. 300 DPI may be the theoretical limit on certain print types but I have found 180 to 200 DPI to be a better gauge to determine "practical" largest print without extensive processing. That said, the 16 MP 4/3 sensor should handle 16x20 print size easily with good exposure and good glass.
KBarrett: The flash sync speed is 1/50? Holy K1000, batman!
Samuel, You may be correct but I don't believe the shutter opening/operating speed is a true limitation on electronic sensors like it was on film. It may be more to do with the CMOS sensor verses the CCD sensor design but, once the shutter is open in "electronic mode" and exposures are as brief as 1/16000 of a second, this has to be an electronic on-off not a mechanical on-off. I would think the only limit should have been the exposure start timing, namely matching the sensor start to the flash trigger. Something doesn't make sense and it might have been a R&D development budget or timing decision rather than a actual limitation. Might be a possible future firmware update or released with the next generation Panasonic cameras
yabokkie: has anyone found anything special with the shutter?
Olympus PL-5, now on sale pricing, looks like a better speced serious camera at about $200 less. Equal sensor and better Jpeg engine, 1/250 flash synch, hot shoe, accessory finder available, in body stabilized, tilting LCD, etc.
Ditto, ditto, and ditto. An electronic shutter and a flash synch of 1/50 WTF were they thinking! My LX5 gives wonderful portraits with full sun backlight at 1/1000 full synch with my manual strobes. Until the GX7 Panasonic seemed clueless about flash synch and support. Of course with reported non-sales of mirror-less cameras in the US, this is obviously targeted to the bus load tourists at the Grand Canyon, high noon, mid-summer, auto HDR mode. Fill flash - what's that?
Photographer 1: I just heard that the Sony a7R recieved the prestigous 2013 "Camera of the Year" Award from Popular Photography. This is the 3rd time that Sony has received this award in the past 4 years. It shows Sony is moving ahead in engineering and designing new products that photographers will continue to gravitate toward to get better images.
Sony has done well with their camera body innovations much like Minolta did BUT, like Minolta Sony seems to be lagging in lens line-up development, especially in fast pro-lenses. Since they haven't really broken into the pro market I hope they at least go after the niche markets like landscape with strong wide angle support. 16-35 FE NEX and an Zeiss 18, 21, and 25 in FE NEX mounts would great. I know all can be "adapted" but adapters can be problematic for wide angle lenses due to the extremely tight tolerances needed for centering and coplanarity. Bodies are great but lenses make the real difference - last thing we need is a bunch of rehashed mediocre slow super zooms. Crossing my fingers for Sony - apparently Samyung gets it - native FE NEX mounts - hooha!
Great to see Pentax/Ricoh hanging in there with new innovations. Sadly the flash sync speed is going in the wrong direction for a top of the line camera. Sadly Ricoh/Pentax is following the same old path that Minolta/Sony did and continues along - few pro glass offerings and a constant stream of new bodies. All the digital SLRs are fully competent picture capture devices but the magic and versatility is always in the glass. No Pentax 300mm f2.8 or 500mm f4 and currently no full frame upgrade path, at least Sony is adding some pro capability to the alpha series.
Ed Gill: Yes, yes, and yes. definitely my next m-4/3 camera! Been waiting since the G1 for Panasonic to finally get it together. Everything I have wanted. Real flash sync speed, articulated viewfinder in the right location for people with noses, both types of stabilization, better sensor, beautiful and compact, customizable layout. Time to dump APS-C junk and go with m-4/3 and full frame. APS-C ( 1/3 frame) no longer has enough advantage to justify the bulk and weight. This, the OM-5 and Pen-5 are game changers in my mind.
Ah Andy! Are you also left handed? If so, you're hosed anyway :). Personally, I think Ricoh missed the boat by not offering a left and right hand version of their GR modular cameras. Serious question, which camera do you find most comfortable to use as a left eyed shooter (like Joe McNally).
Yes, yes, and yes. definitely my next m-4/3 camera! Been waiting since the G1 for Panasonic to finally get it together. Everything I have wanted. Real flash sync speed, articulated viewfinder in the right location for people with noses, both types of stabilization, better sensor, beautiful and compact, customizable layout. Time to dump APS-C junk and go with m-4/3 and full frame. APS-C ( 1/3 frame) no longer has enough advantage to justify the bulk and weight. This, the OM-5 and Pen-5 are game changers in my mind.
photo perzon: How can a tiny sensor compete with APS sensors?
The areas SirSeth posted point out that APS-C is NOT 1/2 the area of full frame and not much larger than 4/3. In addition, the 4/3 format is more efficient (i.e less cropping) for standard size prints (8x10, 11x14, 16x20). My issue with 4/3 is the badly overpriced and slow primes, none of the savings promised! Hopefully Sigma, Tamron, and Tolkina will produce more under the "open standard" and drive the prices down where they belong.
First, my thanks to DP Review for it's service to the photo community. The information is essential to making informed perchase decisions. Still wish Panasonic would address the lame flash systems in the G cameras. Oly has really put effort in advancing their flash capabilities but Panasonic seams to ignore this essential component. Of couse they could always come out with a Leaf shutter portrait lens, 1/500 synch should be easy with the small diameter shutter for 4/3. So much potential, for wildlife, travel, portrait - sigh. No serious long lenses, badly overpriced primes, no real macro, no alternate power sources, oh well.
Ed Gill: Dear Mr. Terada,
There are a number of improvements and perhaps inovations needed in the MFT camera systems that would cause a consumer like myself to abandon APS-C for MFT. Please consider long lens users also. We need the 250 - 400 mm range covered by f4 lenses. (500 - 800 mm FOV) Please address the macro/micro field. Olympus has a wonderful history supporting photograpers for macro (1 to 3x), but MFT is lacking lenses. The spectacular 90mm f2 Olympus macro lens made for MFT would be very welcome, even if manual focus, but with full electronics (aperature+AF confirm). A product to seriously consider would be 75 -150 f2.8 macro zoom. (150-300mm FOV) No market competition for such a lens. Please provide ability to use batteries simultaneously in grips for heavy lens group focus and cold weather (same voltage more amps). Please consider Pen/PL/PM viewfinder mount on side (RF style), not top, so I can use flash and VF togehter plus more comfortable holding.
I may be confused - often am but if so, why is he 'discussing the role of the OM-D"? And the first title was: "Progress of Mirrorless in the USA". The mirror box 4/3 may have another generation left (everyone has dropped it except Olympus). The advent of Phase detection on sensor and rapid refresh EVFs should pretty much kill the need for more mirror box (read large) cameras with small sensors. Olympus needs to re-issue their fine 4/3 lenses as MFT and lead the pack - just IMHO. Competition can be fierce and Panasonic is pushing hard - just see their latest offerings.
Dear Mr. Terada,
Pythagoras: with a lens that size, what's the point of using mft?
Marike6 - you are correct, my typo, meant to say 200-400 f4, not 100-400. My comment was directed at Pythagoras who appeared to question the point of long lenses or long zooms for MFT cameras. The point is weight and transporting the equipment. The comparison I offered was a close to even as possible for folks photographing birds or small animals who would typically use grips (I do for battery capacity and steadiness with long lenses and more secure vertical orientation). Yes I am well aware of the weight and price of the nikon 200-400 f4 which is "the point". You need that weight and expense to get 400 f4 coverage in a zoom on full frame whereas a 200 mm f4 gives the same FOV and speed with a lot less weight and cost. I'm also aware the 50-200 is not a native MFT lenses - my point is .. why not? The OM-5D is now a serious pro level camera with IQ, weather sealing, frame rate, AF, and a grip for extended shooting. We already have enough amature slow plastic zooms for MFT!
Here's the point:
Oly 50-200 f2.8-3.5 + OM-5D + Grip = 1645 gramsnikon 100-400 f4 + D600 + Grip = 4384 grams
Same FOV, advantage to Nikon in IQ but for 2.7x the weight not counting batteries!