mpgxsvcd: "we believe that North American customers believe that if they want image quality they’re supposed to buy DSLRs, not mirrorless."
Nikon and Canon have propagated this fallacy and that is why most people believe it. Nikon wanted mirrorless to fail because they were late to the game. Instead they have just made all interchangeable lens cameras start to fail not just mirrorless.
I still don't understand why Olympus doesn't market their cameras like Nikon and Canon. Just get some Athlete to promote the cameras like Andre Agassi in his prime and they will corner the market.
Are you suggesting that the marketing of cameras is completely different in the US compared to Japan and many other areas? And for cars, houses, junk food etc. etc. as well?
kahren: this looks like a pretty good "kit lens" camera, but the price, i cant help but compare it to nex3n on closeout now at ~$300, but which kit lens is just about 2/3 of a stop slower
i can't believe they didn't put popup flash and tilt screen on eos m2they obviously know those things are useful :)maybe eos m5 will get them, lets keep the hopes up
I guess comparing the optical quality of this Canon lens with the Sony 16-50 kit zoom is going to be big fun.
pew pew: 800$ ???
$ 800? No, about 50% more at least if you live in Europe ...
tutek: Full samples: http://www.eprice.com.tw/dc/talk/1440/4892920/1/
Agree, the big question is corner/border quality especially at 24mm equivalent and near wide open. If it is at least as good as my 15-85 lens the G1X Ii will be an attractive alternative - but I doubt it, given the small size of the lens. The 15-85 can be used at f/3.5, 24mm equiv. with acceptable image quality, lets hope this lens is also decent at 24mm equiv. f/2-2.8.
michi098: I have tried so many options. I have a S100, a G10, a EOS-M, a 7D and a 5DII. I thought the EOS-M would be the perfect travel camera, compact enough but great quality, but somehow am not happy with it and seeing that it's not really supported in the US, I gave up on it. Plus I don't feel like investing in another set of lenses. I love my G10 but it is getting old and high ISO images are lacking severely. The G1X looked great but with so many issues. Around Christmas the SL1 was on sale for $350 and I gave it a try. It's now my favorite camera. It's smallish, I get to use all my favorite lenses, handles a lot like the big DSLR's (yes, even back button focus) and the quality is outstanding. My favorite lens on it is the 15-85. Results are excellent. I know, it's not that small, but the best trade off for me so far. Would the G1XII be able to replace this combo? Hm, quite possibly, but I don't think I'm willing to spend the money right now.
I think they are interesting alternatives:
SL1 + 15-85s: bigger sensor with more resolution, optical viewfinder, removable lens (just in case), maybe a bit better lens quality in the corners, probably faster for 'action shots'.
G1X II: cheaper, much smaller / lighter, one stop extra aperture, tilt screen, some special extras like fast flash sync. The 15-85 lens has about the same weight as the G1X II including its lens!
Bill T.: Maybe staying at 12mp has some payoff in the high ISO noise department.
Let's not forget the Canon 1DX is "only" 18 megapixels, and Nikon's new D4S is "only" 16 megapixels. Both those cameras have great high ISO performance and by some accounts they manage to produce nice sharp images.
I have used a Sony RX100, and I think its 20 megapixel sensor loses more in high noise levels than it gains in "sharpness." And nice though the lens is, it is nowhere near worthy of a 20mp sensor. Just look at the corners in some of the published jpgs. This G1X seems like it might be a better balance of the trade offs between megapixels, realistic lens quality, and noise.
lower resolution may also help to mask the corner softness problems that are caused by 'defishing' the original images to remove distortion, or a general decline in image quality between center and corners. On RX100 and some other recent cameras this can be VERY obvious (disturbing).
Mapel: nice lens for a nice sensor size, hope it could deliver also a nice optical performance
optical performance is probably the number one question for this camera. If you have to stop down several stops for decent corners the bright lens loses most of its attraction for me. But looking at RX100 etc. for many users this seems an acceptable compromise.
If this lens is sharp near wide open (especially at 24mm equiv.) it would be a real triumph for Canon engineers.
ericsan: Sony RX10 is a better package with integrated EVF,bigger zoom range and constant 2,8 aperture, and its price will start to decrease with increasing competition...Ok sensor size is smaller than G1X II but IQ is outstanding anyway...
RX10 is too bulky for me, and the extra 120-200mm reach isn't very attractive for me either. But it seems to have an excellent lens without the corner softness issues that many current 'quality compacts' have. There is a limit to how much you can shrink a bright lens.
Will be interesting to see the optical quality of the G1X II lens in the border/corner areas and compare with RX10 - which design compromise works best for the final image.
Zoron: wow....X100s and omd-em10 cheaper-alternative killer
@Chelios:it's probably not a coincidence that the lowest Rebel just got upgraded to 18MP ... typically Canon.
Although 13 MP isn't bad, I'm still happy with the resolution of my 12 MP 450D (lens quality, sensor DR and noise are often more important).
tkbslc: f2-3.9 makes this infinitely more attractive than the previous version.
Why can't I have that fast pancake prime for the M, though?
And what about a similar lens for the M system? ;-)24-120 is a very nice range for 'walkaround', much better than a dim 28-85 equiv.
tkbslc: Just thinking I paid almost this much for a 15-85 with a measly f3.5-5.6 aperture for my 60D. This covers same zoom range with a f2-3.9 aperture, and the whole camera + lens is probably smaller than the 15-85 alone.
Makes me wonder if I should sell my 15-85 and put down a pre-order.
@tkbslc:agree, I'm using a 450D (so even the sensor resolution is similar) with 15-85 and this looks like a tempting alternative. I use the 15-85 mostly for 'walkaround' when I'm not going to use my other lenses anyway. In that case I could switch to 6D for my FF tele/macro lenses and G1X II for other stuff.
The big IF is lens quality, it would be a miracle if this lens is as good as or even better than the 15-85 (same zoom reach, much brighter and MUCH smaller). Close-up image quality is another question mark, the 15-85 is really bad for that; let's hope they learned something ...
locke_fc: Am I reading this right? The photographer gets a measly 30% while 500px pockets the remaining 70%???
if I read it right they are not putting in much work, the viewers of the 500px site are doing the work for them by rating images ...
Michael Perham: Film duplicator is interesting.
I have a dedicated 35mm slide and negative scanner. Even after pulling up the software and setting up your parameters, it takes 4 minutes to scan an image. This would make it much easier and faster. I wonder if the duplicator has it's own optics along with the dedicated flash? And, it handles both 35mm and 645 ...interesting.
@ dantonvb: I checked your thread but IMHO that only works well if you have a series of perfectly exposed slides, all with similar film and similar exposure conditions (color temperature) and relatively low contrast. With contrasty slides like Kodachrome this will be quite difficult. Also, it's VERY difficult to get good results from color negatives this way, because you don't have any film profiles to work with. No way you are going to get good colors and tones with 'auto levels' or something similar.
Eric3456: "DSLR accessory for making digital captures from slide and negative film."
Very interested in this one. Hope the price is reasonable. There are already plans on the net to do this but it will be much easier if there were a ready-made device to do it.
I'm also interested if it is more than a basic slide/neg holder with diffusor, which you can buy on Ebay for $ 10 or so. It needs a good and short focal length macro lens that can handle 2:1 to 1:2 or so (for different sensor size and cropping) and a good diffuse lighting system to reduce grain and dust.
It's disappointing that there are hundreds of cheap 'slide scanners' on the market nowadays that all have pathetic or downright horrible image quality, and nothing that is really good (like the Nikon Coolscans) with decent price and speed ...I'm currently using my DSLR with Durst color enlarger, macro lens and repro stand for slide/negative digitzing; the DSLR is tethered to my computer for checking focus, exposure etc. Works fast and with good quality, but the equipment is huge ;-(
Shiranai: I think Fujifilm wants to compete with the 6D here. They share similar flash X-syncs and max shutter speeds as well as the wifi smartphone connection.For the biggest con of the 6D, the missing flash, they bundle a flash with their model.
Compete with 6D? they are totally different cameras; weight, size, lens range, sensor type and software options that go with it, viewfinder ... no comparison.
And talking about missing features, IMHO the missing tilt screen on the 6D is far more important than lack of built-in flash.
Maybe interesting if you absolutely must do some RAW processing on the go, but apart from that ... doesn't make sense with current tablet technology and I don't see that changing soon.
Tablets are viewing, browsing, presentation, communication devices. I'd rather see software that can quickly find suitable images among all images that are present on the device, based on a few keywords, and present them to the viewer. The only way to do that now AFAIK is to have a website with all your images and indexing software, and access that through internet. Not very attractive for several reasons ... Or use a Win 8.1 tablet with full Lightroom (gets expensive ...).
Maybe Adobe will make something like that with the new Lightroom mobile?
petemod: It would be nice if they just made one model that had a viewfinder AND a flip out screen.
Agree, but the thinking is probably that having at least one is better than nothing. They both help with framing in difficult lighting conditions (bright light primarily) and with stabilizing the camera because you don't have to shoot at arms length.
Higher res EVF would be nice, but 1-4 MP EVF's are much bigger from what I have seen (but correct me if I'm wrong). Having a high res EVF AND a flip screen would make the camera significantly bigger with current technology; and for this type of camera size/weight is everything.
Beckler8: I like all the meaningless talk here about larger sensors and faster lenses. That exists already in Sony RX100 type models. Those have very small zoom ratios and so represent trade-offs, as does this one. So do all cameras. This class offers a unique feature set - a combination you can't find elsewhere. Maybe don't dismiss an entire class because you happen to want a different set. You might as well just say 'this is no SLR so this is garbage'. Oh wait, people do say that.
some people here think they can fit an RX10 into their pocket ;-)
showmeyourpics: I like and own Panasonic camera gear but this one is an absurd design straight out of marketing genius. Let's use a really small 1/2.3 sensor to reduce size and weight and then let's pack it up with 18MP (= noise fiesta). Let's add an EVF, which is a really good idea, but let's make it miniscule with only 200K dot (the Nikon P7800 EVF needs 921K dot to be just decent). And, dulcis in fundo, let's slap on a 24-720mm nice and dark (f/3.3-6.4) zoom lens on a very small body that weighs nothing and will probably be a stability nightmare (at 720mm and f/6.4, one will have to crank up the ISO setting through the roof to get a workable exposure time, but the noise will turn the picture into mush). There are MUCH better balanced compacts out there for the enthusiast photographer, everyone else is better off sticking with a good smart phone camera.
"everyone else is better off sticking with a good smart phone camera."
pride and prejudice ...
bilcobarnes21: @showmeyourpicsYou are talking complete rubbish, The TZ range is one of the best available in superzoom terms, it might not appeal to the real photo enthusiast, but as a happy snap camera with some brilliant features, great zoom, and now a vf, seems like a winner to me. don't be so quick to slate a camera just because it doesn't appeal to you, Pratt!
@showmeyourpics: sound science is not just theory, but also looking at data from real life (including data that doesn't fit your theory): - current 1/2.3" sensors can be as good as current 1/1.7" sensors. Just look at Canon SX50 against S110, Panasonic also has a few good examples. - more megapixels on the same sensor area doesn't necessarily increase noise (assuming same print size) but it does increase resolution and in-camera processing headroom.- EVF: in bad lighting a coarse EVF is better than nothing. I have been using a 200K EVF in an older digicam for many years and was always very happy to have this option, instead of having to rely on an almost invisible LCD in bright light. And it also helps keeping the camera stable.- cranking the ISO? cameras like LF1 have 1.5 stop advantage, but only at their shortest focal length. At tele, the LF1 will probably lose ...
Wait for reliable reviews and sample images before judging.