I had really hoped the NX2 would hit all the right notes for me. Alas it seems that will not be the case. It's a pity, Samsung brought some excellent pieces to the table that just weren't quite packaged right.
Randy Veeman: All the A7RII bundles with a lens are over $4300. OUCH!
Some are willing to pay that much, but I'd bet 98% of prospective buyers would laugh at the price. Just get the D750 with better performance and near identical IQ. It is a bit bigger, but can shoot faster FPS and such, AND their are so many native lens bargains with great IQ. Try to find a native 50mm F1.9 prime on the Sony for under $200 - ain't gonna happen!
I don't see any for $1300. I do see them for $1500, from one of the sellers that Canon is currently suing for their business practices of applying falsified serial numbers.
Nindy: It' seems this and the a7r ii are for cashed up enthusiasts, the pro's use majority canon & Nikon for stills and video pro's use mostly fs, c300 etcs.. If Sony released an apc mirrorless that does 4K I'm sure we would see big growth for Sony in enthusiast apc market, what is the hold up Sony?
The A7S sells tons to the wedding videographer crowd, which itself is doing relatively well as photographic markets go.
As for the higher end pros, I've met a couple teams from various places and the C100 is easily the big hit. I believe the Sony FS5 is aimed at that crowd - remains to be seen if it makes inroads.
Dunno if anyone cares, but I love my RX10. It is in no way a competitor to my high end stuff, but you know what? I love shooting at concerts, and none of them let you enter with ILCs, even tiny NEX bodies. They all let me go in with the RX10 and I get great photos.
(And before someone complains, everyone's holding their damn phone up anyway. At least I'm getting something for the trouble.)
PVCdroid: The odd thing about this is that current Sony users have been content with Sony's compressed raw. This article indicates otherwise. It really doesn't please anyone because only anti-sony types were bitching about it. ....for the most part..
Maybe a few anti-Sony types will come around? At least it will mitigate the incessant bad press and reviews about it.
Frank C.: sold all my gear and didn't buy this, just sold all my gear, my iphone is sufficient for my photographic needs, the camera companies and their overpriced hype can stick it anywhere they want
And yet you bought Apple
Don't ask me, mister splurge on iPhones
An iPhone? Talk about falling for the overpriced hype. I'm using a Nokia flip for all of my photos.
JeanPierre Thibaudeau: There is a very interesting review on youtube about this camera entitled "why I returned my A7RII". To summarize, it says: if you plan to use this camera solely for stills, then go for it and buy it, it is a truly fantastic camera. But if you plan to shoot videos of more than 15 minutes long, be aware that this camera will overheat even by freezing weather with the LCD moved away from the body and will stop working.
Sony has had big problems with the 4K videos until now and that is why they plan to release a new A7S in a much bigger body to overcome this problem. Also, be aware that the battery in the A7RII is pretty limited. Have a few spares closeby.
And at this price point, this camera should have come with a touch screen,I think.
Yeah - the A7R II is NOT a production video camera. Look to the A7S (II) or Sony's FS series bodies for that.
With the LCD screen off the body, I get 35 minutes in S35 mode which is the quickest to overheat. I think that's pretty good for a hybrid cam or short-form production cam, if not ideal.
For serious extended work, here's hoping that the A7S II has no overheating issues.
tallenvt: Screen always on?Is it true, as I have read, that the screen stays on all the time the camera is "on" and cannot be manually shut off. I use evf almost exclusively and dont want screen light either drawing attention in low light shooting or using up battery life. If the screen is "permanently" on, is that a software issue [subject to easy update] or hard wired into the camera?
If you click it into viewfinder-only mode, the rear screen will shut off completely. The VF actually uses more power, but with the sensor it can be on far less time. But this also causes playback to run through the viewfinder, which is kind of stupid.
I would love for them to smooth this out.
miejoe: There's no way Sony would even consider implementing fully uncompressed RAW files - 42.4 MP uncompressed photos at 14 bits per channel would be 1.66 GB each.
This would be an extremely lazy move and would cripple the camera's burst rate and usability. I can't see Sony going this route when a minimal amount of processing time can reduce the file size (and throughput requirements) to less than 10% using even a fairly inefficient lossless compression scheme.
If you mistake bits for bytes, it lands you in the vicinity of 1.87 GB. Maybe that's part of it?
Uh... Not sure what math you are doing here but it's about 80MB uncompressed. Each pixel is only one color channel in a Bayer array, so it's two bytes per pixel.
The Lotus Eater: There seems to be a fair amount of concern as to whether Sony will offer lossless compressed files with these updates - I'm sure not many people want unnecessarily large raw files.
The terms lossless/uncompressed and lossy/compressed seem to have become almost interchangeable throughout this whole saga, to the extent that I suspect Sony's press team either doesn't understand the difference or hasn't communicated it as well as they could have.
Hopefully we can assume Sony's engineers will deal with it properly and to the satisfaction of everybody. Well, almost everybody.
Just to elaborate on Iliah's comments - you can listen to MP3s and you can view JPEGs. But you don't want to do edit/mastering work on them. Studios will record at 96 or even 192 kHz in 24 bit depth for audio, and edit in 32 bit - kinda like ProPhotoRGB for audio ;) Sure the final output is probably a 256 kbps MP3 for the majority of people, but you're not going to record an MP3 of your instruments in the studio.
MBell: What about the Dpreview of the A7Rii? The camera has been out for almost two months. Almost as though Sony has told DPreview to hold off!
Rishi, I don't remember you getting married when the Canon and Nikon cameras came out. Irrefutable evidence of BIAS! ;)
mpgxsvcd: We don’t even have a large array of 8K still cameras at the moment. Why are we even talking about 8K video? It won’t happen for at least a decade simply because we don’t have the bandwidth and consumer displays to take advantage of that. Let alone the computer power to process and render 8K in a reasonable amount of time.
4K is barely gaining traction right now. 4K Blu-ray has been delayed considerably. What makes them think 8K is going to be any different?
Right now what we really need is 4K @ 24 FPS 10 bit Losslessly Compressed RAW video. Just someone please give us that so that HDR can get off the ground.
@mpgxsvcd They launched (well, announced) a sensor upgrade, as RED often does http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/13/red-8k-weapon-camera/
RED's been violently beating the resolution drum for how long now? ARRI hasn't been in a rush to play that game (they've emphasized color rendition and DR), but I think Canon is still finding their legs in that market.
RED has 8K, so Canon announces 8K. Simple as that. These aren't for consumer market and they're certainly not intended as distribution formats. Whether they're a good idea... I'm not in pro cine so I'll leave that one alone. But RED is going to swear up and down that filmmakers can finally do what they always dreamed of doing thanks to 8K and everyone else are fools for saying otherwise.
Okay, let's get a couple of the common ones out of the way, shall we?
"Canon keeps making a great camera even better.""Finally Canon is acknowledging that their flagship sports DSLR still needs work.""Now if only Canon could fix the dynamic range in a firmware update.""Pointless, just buy a A7R II instead. DSLRs are dead.""This level of of commitment to pros is why Canon will never lose marketshare to other brands.""Good to see they're not charging for firmware updates like Panasonic.""Sony <whatever> is better.""Nikon <whatever> is better.""Overpriced camera that still doesn't focus well.""The best crop DSLR on the market keeps getting better.""I had a 7D2 and it was the worst camera ever made. Now I shoot with four D810s and thirty thousand dollars of lenses.""I had a D810 and it was the worst camera ever made. Now I shoot with the 7D2 and only these Canon lenses.""My iPhone still focuses faster.""No EVF, no point.""Nikon needs to release the D400 immediately."
Flashback: Order of merit with RAW at ISO 1600.
2nd DSC-RX10 MkI
3rd DSC-RX10 MkII
Surprisingly this new sensor, although much quicker, has poorer IQ.
For sports, I go to larger ILCs. My RX10 is primarily for concerts as an audience member, so no ILCs allowed at the vast majority of venues. For me in that environment, the light is king and reach has not been a problem. I might crop down from 200mm, but not by a lot. AF can struggle in these conditions, as the changing lights on a stage can confuse the hell out of the camera if you're not careful. But it's something I've been able to work with, and staying at or below ISO 1600 is the goal. https://www.flickr.com/photos/promitroy/20200532944/
The FZ1000 falls to f/4 fairly early in its range, gimping it for a whole stop of light relative to the RX10. Your choice whether you'd have the light or the reach - I chose light.