Ron A 19: Seems like the D750 seems to have a sharper image at full resolution, but could this be partly because the Canons are using a lens that is 22 years older? The 85mm USM cannot outresolve the 85mm G (compare them on thedigitalpicture.com). If DPReview wants to compare these two cameras on a resolution basis, why don't they use the same lens on different bodies? A third party reference lens like the Sigma Art or Zeiss otus would be the perfect way to show limitations of a sensor rather than a cheapo circa '92 lens.
I believe this is even more eye opening area:
Especially when the 700D shows more detail than does 5DIII & 6D and nearly as much as D750 but with less chroma aliasing !!
Obviously this is due to either better focus or better lens or more accurate (flat) mounting !!
BrumNewsPhotos: " Here are the results we obtained at the high speed setting using a SanDisk Extreme Pro UHS-II Speed Class 3 card (short version: it writes at 280MB/sec)"
I thought it didn't have the ability to use UHS-II cards to their full limits? Every other review and SD card test has said otherwise, then DP Review throw this in to confuse people.
Can anyone clarify if you use an UHS-II card, you will be able to write at 280MB/s?
If this does a UHS-II card/speed, then isn't this the first cam that offers that capability - smart even in the advent of H.265 !!
Very very pricey cards though!
Very nice pics, lots of skill and trial & error I am sure as well. Keep it up, its very inspiring !!
It is always nice to change our gaze from our own navels and ponder the mysteries of the universe.
I am the center of the universe, but it is nice to see other parts as well - thanks !
I would imagine that lensrental.com's Roger Cicala would be more than happy to test and poof as close a matched set as possible for the mounts you are thinking of using.
Using adapters could, OTOH, increase the question of equality.
But it is a great idea to rule out the lens, if so many are going to buy according to your lab results - we all know Lab results are MUCH more important than a silly ol' well composed photo !
And yes pg 13, a DR test shows better for D750, but how come I can not play with that scene the same way as pg 12, seems maybe a bit 'cooked' from a reader's perspective - you can play but I can't ?
So once again I say "yes for a poor exposure/photographer the Sony/Nikon sensors allow correction of DR better" but then why did you shoot so poorly ?
I for one, will expose for both the light and dark areas of a pic, its easy try it, its photography 101 !
I also admit I like 'human eye' pics, ie - NON HDR looking pics - shadows are what would you call them - oh yes SHADOWS - which unless I am wrong are DARK !
So yes, Sony/Nikon are better cameras for lousy photographers (at least at exposure) but then wasn't film even worse in so many ways ?
Not jealous of Sony/Nikon sensors, but sad that Canon can not/does not keep up (6 yrs ago class leaders, now Sony/Nikon sensors followers) - but then many of the world's most beautiful pictures are NOT from Sony/Nikon sensors are they ?
Coyote_Cody: I wonder if Canon is stuck in the:
'video too sharp (GH4/etc) looks too non-film like', so we make our video low rez and low detail & colors weak to approximate the old mostly low rez video film of Yesteryear ?
You think ?
Canon needs better DSPs and better video algorithms - very obvious to most of us.
I respect Canon for many things, but living with head in sand or in the past is NOT one of them !!
They are too fine of a company to be this neglectful of video and many other features that are missing in their cams - all/most of their cams - they have the money - they should use it for development !!
Plz pleasantly surprise us/me Canon in 2015 !!
Just to be thorough, Texas Instruments does/did make the DSPs for Canon, they very well could implement the f/w that runs on much of the DSP(s), as in its video rendering f/w.
Of course I have ZERO clues if so, but as many know, Many other makers (Apple sadly even) are doing video MUCH better than is Canon.
Is it the lack of power in their DSPs, I hope not, that can be bought off the shelf to higher strengths, whereas I believe it is Canon's lack of effort or contrary philosophy to IMPROVE their video algorithms/methods, and contributing to it could be their lack of trying or inability to do complete sensor scanning and then down scaling to 1080p (or even 4kHD).
I have no clue what the real issues are w/ Canon, I just grieve for their seeming complacency and lack of leadership in video (pro models are money makers but still not the best), even in their Pro series cams & down to their P&S models.
They are bested in video at all levels of the spectrum - sad !
Too many pies in oven?
locke_fc: Wow, so we're finding out just now that less DR equals less ability to lift the shadows??
But still with its 'lousy' DR, it is NOT many 'good' shots of a great photographer that needs that much shadow processing latitude, or I would say they are NOT a great photographer or expose poorly !
I think darkish shadows adds to many pics, it adds mood to a shot, & as I, a human, want shots that aprox. my vision, not HDR !!!
Fine art wants to project a mood, thought provoking look, not necessarily details in a shadow - unless a monster is lurking !! ;)
That is no excuse though for not improving the DR Canon !
PS: There are plenty of monsters in the light, Wall Street takers, corrupt politicians, etc, will a higher DR sensor help fix those 'light' problems ?? ;)
I wonder if Canon is stuck in the:
DaddyG: Great review - the degree to which you highlight the 7D's poor dynamic range is long overdue. You do a great job on explaining why this is so important.
This level of negative publicity is long overdue, and can only be good for us locked into the Canon system. Surely Canon must concentrate on improving its sensor technology.
However, it is odd that you do not list it as a 'Con'. Because, for me & many, it is this camera's greatest disappointment.
Are you kidding ? Negative publicity ?
Its called spreading 'knowledge', what a person does with knowledge - abuse or use - is what it is/should be about !
I am sure there are 'Negatives' about any/all cams "that must be publicised" - Really? - Sad comment IMO.
Canon knows exactly what they produce, it is the User/customer which will decide - WITH KNOWLEDGE !
You are only on the road to knowledge when "Ye knows enough to know how much Ye don't know" !!
Otherwise we call it Religion - no basis of belief - just faith !!
Apewithacamera: Rating cameras these days in general is overrated!
They're all quite good!
That is so true, but there are still diffs at least for some uses/needs - for most of us, nearly any recent cam is good enuf !!
I only need accurate AF since I find it hard to tell via mon. or VF !!
Coyote_Cody: Objectively, I am beginning to think that it is not so much the Canon sensor shortcomings as it is the processing of both RAW and JPEG/Video via the algorithms used by the DSP.
Even 1" sensor video, for example, is better/sharper/better color than the 7DII, which is very disappointing.
Canon really does need to deeply rethink how their 1080p video looks worse than many 720p, soft, poor details, not best color, noiser than it should be - the once leader in video is now the trailer - sadly !
The only good thing is that Canon is consistent, the video from 7DII is as weak as the 7D, 5yr NON improvement in the algorithms - sad state of affairs!
It could be forgiven if PP of the video made things equal - but it does not - Canon several years behind - inexcusable !!
It is obvious that the 7DII is not for video, no 4kHD or good 2kHD. It is a formidable stills cam for long distance/closeup use, but that is its only real strength - but at that it is great.
Canon is stuck and seemingly not willing to be courageous in product features. Nice lens though!
Forgot to mention, even the video from the center/non line skipped portion of sensor (via sensor crop mode - ML or otherwise) does NOT improve the results, thus it is ABSOLUTELY the algorithms/weak DSP power NOT just the sensor !
The center crop mode DOES produce the best video by far but still not the details of other makes, even their 1" sensor models, 4/3 & aps-c leave it behind in details and color, noise is quite good even in shadows though!
Objectively, I am beginning to think that it is not so much the Canon sensor shortcomings as it is the processing of both RAW and JPEG/Video via the algorithms used by the DSP.
It would be incredibly hard to pay anything like this for this shot, especially since you can go do it yourself, quite cheaply relatively!
I personally would not pay $50 for this, as I have shots that are comparble (though in color from inexpensive 350D!!)
The 'photographers' tour, offered a much longer time, also since the guide would leave you, I believe then you need at least another person who could throw up the dirt while you shot and vice-versa.
There are 2 slots, North and South, do both !!
The Paria canyon (the Wave area) is not far from here, and Monument Valley is only 2 hrs away as is Grand Canyon.
I think with a light breezy day (to get a bit of breeze down in area), you could try tossing dirt many times and get a fabulous set of shots - the main issue is over exposing (some spots have exposed sky) so a overcast day is likely the best!
abi170845: And how would I go about having that place to myself as long as I want to get the shot? Only pros are allowed? Give me the place to my self for 5 days and nights, don't bother me and I'll get the shots. But?
When I was there, if you paid an extra $10 (IIRC) you could have the 'photographers tour' which allowed you as much time as you wanted (you could stick around even when next tour came), there were several takers - but the normal tour gave you lots of time too.
The guides are indians of the tribe that govern/own the land and only they can do tours, they are those that toss the dirt up into air for shot.
I have seen actually better shots than this - I had a few that were almost as good.
The main thing was that it was hard to set up a tripod on normal tour (I used tripod as monopod), the photographers tour were less crowded and more time - better deal when you go that far and want a $1M shot? !!
Go to both the North and South slots, they are diff to a degree, I think this shot is from the South slot.
Utah is a lovely place, mucho nice areas to shoot, no shortage of shots - shortage of time in day !!
CameraLabTester: How exciting it is to be in the middle of the volatile shifting sands of Frame Frame pageantry!
The contenders are punch fighting it out for podium placings, ruining their bikinis... even if there are only three places that are allocated for the THREE of them! (Each would want a brand sweep, obviously... )
As in ALL cam comparisons, SHOW ME THE PICTURES !!
Cams make so little difference compared to COMPOSITION (well beyond a display of wallet size) and largely second is LENS, great composition lousy lens, why bother with a great sensor or AF ??
Sdaniella: 2014 FF Systems:Low End vs High End for good 'LOW' LIGHT
Canon EOS 6D vs Nikon D750 vs Nikon D4s vs Sony A7S
ISO 51200: (=Max ISO for D750)
DPR Comparison Widget Subject: Left-Side (dimly lit): JPEGS (RAW = Always worse)
For me: the IQ of D750 is very close to 5DMkIII, but behind 6DAnd I would never consider D810, nor A7/R/S, nor fixed prime RX1R (35mm too long)If Sony made a RX1R with a fast fixed 24mm prime (maybe: if it had a vari-angle swivel screen)
Least of all D610:it's the only new FF amongst those in the 12 that lacks the Exposure Simulation LV that the rest have.
Most makes RAW is already, to some degree, manipulated, some manipulated a large amount, something that DXO labs used to note now they just ignore it seems when testing sensor perf.
But if you refer to doing PP of RAW to optimize all the contestants, then I agree - but unprocessed raw is like unstirred latte or unmixed cake - not best at what is possible yet !! I guess I am hungry and thirsty !! ;)
aarif: samsung Nx1 is the winner in cropped sensors. good job samsung
Funny that ppl argue, rant and rave about sensors performance and pic IQ & cam performance this and that but then use JPEG, no need for all that Sensor/cam quality if you want a JPEG, just go get a simple/good P&S - Good enuf for JPEGs !!
And it is obvious you are NOT a pro - so save money buy a P&S - JPEG heaven !!
PS: I am so glad you finally learned about line skipping for non-global shutter 2kHD, you are on your way to possible good usage of a P&S cam ! Enjoy! ;)
Childish ? I have NEVER heard of the 'jpeg engine' is part of the video engine, I have no clue of the DSP f/w implementation (NOR do you - Childboy) but JPEG results are a function of your settings - I have seen WAY over sharpen (holy halos!) JPEGs from Canon cams - BUT NEVER from their video (I have tried to over sharpen them)
So Child-Boy, me thinks you need to buy some clues or quit guessing and ASSuming !
Enjoy your JPEGs, I will stay with my TOTAL control over the pic RAW PP !!
Good Luck Child-boy !!
What is JPEG ? And who cares if 1 jpeg engine is better than another - its JPEG !! ;)
If you care - you will ALWAYS shoot RAW and make your own JPEG ! That is the UN-lazy thing to do - NOT because of anything other than you will get a 'more pleasing' JPEG for YOU, your decisions of most/all parameters not the cams !! Its JPEG, who cares !! ;)