Tu quoque Zeiss, fili mi!
Rick_Hunter: I am 100% italian. And all I can say is: don't buy Manfrotto products. They are overpriced (you simply pay a premium just for the name, albeit a name often NOT backed up by anything better than the competitors) and they are just being incredibly stubborn (a royal pain the ass) in refusing to adopt the ubiquitous arca swiss standard... Just get something else: there are plenty of better options out there for the same price!
It simply is a price/performance ratio issue. The products aren't bad in their own (as long as you stay away from their low-end <100$ products: those are made badly)The issue is that for the same amount of money other manufacturers offer you a better product or you can buy a similar quality product spending less. Example: I had a big Manfrotto 055XB - sturdy? Yes! Pricey? At 190 euros legs only, aluminium... YES! It was also heavy.So I got myself a set of carbon fiber Benro legs, same size as the 055, but way lighter, sturdier, and less prone to vibration. Price? 215 euros. Wanna know how much the equivalent carbon fiber Manfrotto costed at the time? 350 euros. And the central column was still made of aluminium. The Benro I got is full carbon, column included.Other minor things: buy a Manfrotto and you don't get much in terms of accessories: my 055 came with NO bag, NO strap, NO spikes, NO keys for checking the bolts, etc. The Benro came with padded bag, strap, spikes, keys...
Jesus... Obviously it's a tribute to the anime "Robotech" - My real name/surname is Alberto Basso. Wanna see my id document? The stupidity/presumption of people sometimes is beyond me. Baaaaaah!!!
I am 100% italian. And all I can say is: don't buy Manfrotto products. They are overpriced (you simply pay a premium just for the name, albeit a name often NOT backed up by anything better than the competitors) and they are just being incredibly stubborn (a royal pain the ass) in refusing to adopt the ubiquitous arca swiss standard... Just get something else: there are plenty of better options out there for the same price!
Rick_Hunter: Don't worry, at this pace, by the time Pentax will finally finish its first full frame DSLR, DSLRS will be a thing of the past and substituted by newer technology (E.G. mirrorless) - Way to go, Pentax!
mxx childish? For God's Sake, the first full frame DSLR (Canon 5D) was introduced TEN BLOODY YEARS ago. Pentax is very very late at this game and still despite being ridiculously late they are taking their sweet time to roll out the finished product. Can you prove the contrary? No, you can't. So shut up. And if you are not intelligent enough to understand irony (my previous post) it's not my fault, it's yours.
Don't worry, at this pace, by the time Pentax will finally finish its first full frame DSLR, DSLRS will be a thing of the past and substituted by newer technology (E.G. mirrorless) - Way to go, Pentax!
So... Let me see...- Chinese optics, check.- Manual focus, check.- 3000$ price tag, check.- Homungous size & weight, check.- FL/aperture combo nearly impossible to accurately manually focus, check.- 500$ non refundable deposit to reserve one, check.Hey guys, can you introduce me your drug dealer? He must have some really good (or really bad) stuff!
Come on', it's ONLY 10 years too late (canon 5D was released in 2005)...
Only 120? Why not a GIGA-GAZILLION megapixels, so I can use all of my life savings to print a photo of my cat/dog/son 650 feet wide and look at it from 10 inches with a 5X magnifying loupe and still not see the pixels?
Now gullible people will believe these are exactly the same as the 25.000$ Zeiss Master Prime cine lenses... But I bet they're not.
Bottom line: Zeiss lenses: made by Cosina, fully made of metal, individually checked one by one before leaving the factory.Sony-Zeiss lenses: made god knows where, quality check one in a god only knows how many, etc... Mmhhhh...
Why in the world would I want this POS when for 10 dollars less I can have a lovely built, all metal, sharp, nice bokeh, gorgeus rendering Voigtlander Nokton 58/1.4 SL II N? Wide open shots taken with this velvet 56 on nikonrumors.com look just awful.
So, let's make a checklist- people who buy an ultrawide lens wanna go wide: the nikon is significantly wider- the nikon can take filters (even though cumbersome and expensive) trough third party solutions - the tamron can't.- you're sure to have compatibility with all future bodies with the nikon, not so much with the tamron- you're sure to have more resale value with the nikon, certainly not so with the tamron- the nikon is smaller and lighter (and probably better built, knowing tamron...)Rave all you want, but the nikon still looks the better purchase. The only plus for the tamron is a little bit more center sharpness which I highly doubt you're ever going to notice in prints...
How about that, Phase One?
Rick_Hunter: Zeiss build quality remains unsurpassed... Just look at that Otus! Not a hint of plastic!
Yes, but several folks are still using today older (and with older I mean 30 or more years old) AI and AI-S Nikon lenses on modern high resolution FX digital bodies with excellent results, for instance the Micro Nikkor 55/2.8 AI-S or the 50/1.2, or the 105/2.5... etcetera... The fact that these older lenses are all-metal-made and with no electronic stuff inside proves my point...
I am not dismissing anything. Metal is a well proven material, since it has been used by the human race for thousands of years. Plastics on the other hand are a (relatively) recent thing. The video I've posted above proves that Zeiss cares for the utmost reliability of their products. Even the thermal expansion issues have been considered and have been taken care of. Even if we assumed that plastics have the same long-term reliability of metal (and I doubt it) still modern lenses have electric motors, integrated circuit boards, VR systems, flat cables, lots of stuff that can go wrong as the decades go by. Honestly in a MF Zeiss lens, all mechanical, glass & metal, unless you smash it on the floor the only thing that can go wrong is the exif chip, and even if that broke you could still use the lens by entering the data into the camera menu. Oh and BTW changing an exif chip in those lenses is a matter of 5 minutes: it's located within the bayonet mount. No extensive dismantling required.
I understand this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVssYtOJP2UThe rest does not matter. Zeiss manual focus lenses are built to last many decades, plastic fantastic lenses full of electronic stuff inside are not. Period.
Cosina builds Zeiss lenses to Zeiss specifications. So if Zeiss specifies "all metal" then it's going to be all metal. No plastic fantastic here.
Zeiss build quality remains unsurpassed... Just look at that Otus! Not a hint of plastic!
KEN ROCKWELL USES THIS. (enough said)