RichRMA: I can hardly wait to see the back-peddling by all those Canon and Nikon users who slagged Foveon in the past.
@raincoat:Some of my best images were taken with an SD14. I changed to a Canon 5D for the sake of versatility. At low ISOs the Sigma was better.
scrup: So the 18 megapickles will stay a little longer. I think I will update my 40d to one of the current offerings. Its probably another 2 years away before we see a completely new sensor from Canon.
justmeMN: It's nice so see that Canon is working on sensor research, but their next sensor upgrade is likely to be something more conventional.
They have been lagging behind Nikon - especially in APS-C sensors for some time. They need to make a leap. But we may not see this for a while I suspect.
zodiacfml: I do hope Canon produce Foveon-like sensors on their cameras. I'm a big fan of previous Foveon sensors but the camera bodies are very bad. I mean, the Merrill cameras are very high resolution but the usability is a step backward compared to the previous generation due to notorious battery life, slower write speeds, and still no EVF option. The images themselves aren't compelling due to excessive noise reduction and sharpening and I'm referring to low ISO images.
A lot cheaper Olympus E-PM2 or NEX 3n versus DP Merrill's is a no brainer.
Make up your mind ! You are a fan of Foveon sensors but the images aren't compelling!! What??
Dougbm_2: So it is really a 200mm to 560mm f4-5.6 IS L lens.Might as well buy a Panasonic FZ200 and get 25-600mm f2.8. Ok not the same and a tiny sensor but unless you are a serious photographer or quite wealthy what to do?. Don't get me wrong I would love this but my wallet says no. My longest lens is an old 100-300 f5.6 L lens that is a push pull design like the 100-400 L, but it is much sharper than that lens (now sold). I also have a 70-200 f4 IS and it is nearly as good as that, especially good at the long end, except it doesn't have IS. I was really surprised! Cost me almost nothing too!
@zapatista.If you can afford this lens then you can easily add the FZ200 on to the bill. OR try the FZ200 and see.
So it is really a 200mm to 560mm f4-5.6 IS L lens.Might as well buy a Panasonic FZ200 and get 25-600mm f2.8. Ok not the same and a tiny sensor but unless you are a serious photographer or quite wealthy what to do?. Don't get me wrong I would love this but my wallet says no. My longest lens is an old 100-300 f5.6 L lens that is a push pull design like the 100-400 L, but it is much sharper than that lens (now sold). I also have a 70-200 f4 IS and it is nearly as good as that, especially good at the long end, except it doesn't have IS. I was really surprised! Cost me almost nothing too!
Ben O Connor: its a HUGE sensor, amazing high ISO and low light performance....
just joking :D
Maybe it will surprise us?
skytripper: The optional electronic viewfinder for this camera costs almost as much as the camera ($449). That's ridiculous!
But if you already have one for your RX... then you could also use it for this.
Artpt: Sorry, I'd hate to comment on the aesthetics of cameras, but the accessory mic looks like a monster death ray aimed straight at the subject....wow.....
Could not resist...
The accessories - evf, flash and mic look more professional than the camera.
JackM: there's a sucker born every minute, and someone is going to sell them a superzoom.
Has it occurred to anyone that Sony is in the business of selling as much of anything to anyone that will buy it. It is called capitalism or actually consumerism. If you don't like it don't participate.
JJ Rodin: Hey Sony, I will use an actual Brush if I want to water color! Sony's brainless escalation of pixels on an itty bitty little 1/2.3" sensor is well, brainless & idiotic.
Take a very nice camera and add a completely compromised sensor due to too many pixels and you have a 'return after initial purchase', or something that is half A$$!!
Boo, Sony! You only market to NON photographers, let them use a cell phone camera instead! Oh yes, let them dress it up in zebra strips or comic book heros......
Why comment on the sensor performance or whether it has too many pixels until we see that actual performance. Yes they are marketing to general consumers. Any enthusiast photographer would not usually consider a camera with a tiny sensor and huge zoom due to the compromises. Sony make the RX100, RX1 and Nex series for you.
mosc: This product would be much more appealing if Canon had shown more dedication to EF-S glass over the past decade or so. Why buy a super small DSLR and then slap on FF glass which wastes weight and volume for image area you can't use? The selection of EF-S only lenses in the f1.4-f2.8 aperture range is depressingly short. Even with those, we're supposed to be sold on the new hybrid AF system which further limits us... to three lenses. This is the company with the greatest selection of glass on the market? That's supposed to want to sell me on it's system rather than just its' camera?
STM 18-135, STM 18-55 and 40mm STM would suit this.
Provia_fan: Lovely camera, but I can't stop but seeing it as Canon's admission that the EOS-M was a mistake.
I kind of agree but I don't think this is the solution to the mirrorless and m4/3 market. Canon is appearing unsure and is innovating slowly. First thing they need to do is to redesign their aging APSC sensor and catch up to Nikon. Not with Mp but with controlling (or rather not having) noise.
Dougbm_2: A lot will depend on how good the evf is. Probably the same as in the FZ20. If it was as good as the OMD E5 evf then I would be interested. I think they may be on to a winner.
I meant FZ200. But it seems to be a much lower resolution item. This means it is not meant to used exclusively but for "emergencies".
mpgxsvcd: Why would anyone buy this for $500 when the LX7 was $280 last week. I can walk forward the extra few steps to save $220.
Can you walk on water or in air or over people? Sometime a zoom is the only solution.
dickg1: If Panasonic thinks this camera is going to seriously compete with the Canon S110 in attracting the "enthusiast" crowd, they screwed up big time!
In my mind, the feature that sets the Canon S110 apart from the majority of its peers is a 24mm wide end.
I recently sold my S95 and bought the S110 for just that reason. I'd much rather give up a 200mm long end to get a 24mm wide angle. The difference between 24mm & 28mm is much greater than the diffeence between 120mm and 200mm.
You pays your money and makes your choices.
A lot will depend on how good the evf is. Probably the same as in the FZ20. If it was as good as the OMD E5 evf then I would be interested. I think they may be on to a winner.
An 18-35mm Nikkor was the only lens I used on my Fuji S2 Pro for about 5 years. And that was only f/3.5-4.5. Whilst this seems small range it is still a useful range. Of course 18-180mm f1.4 would be even better if you didn't mind a lens that weighed 10KG! Seriously though it would have been better if they could have made it 17-70mm (and maybe f1.8-2.8) or similar. I had their 17-70m F2.8-4.5 for my SD14 and it was a great all rounder with good macro too. The lens and the sensor were the highlights of that camera kit.
harold1968: If I wanted an outstanding 28mm f2.8 lens and sensor I would buy the brilliant Sigma
I am sure this is a great camera, but it's interesting how much Nikon and Canon are behind Sony, Fuji and Olympus.
I have a Sony RX1 and Olympus OM-D which pretty much covers my needs.It would have to be pretty spectacular for me to move in the next few years to be honest.
Sure - if you stick to low ISOs but the Nikon will perform better at high ISOs.
Donald Duck: If you wonder what the face of the queen on that bill really looks like - go to the comparison tool and compare with the NEX-7 or any other camera with a Bayer sensors. You will be amazed how fake the X-Trans image looks like.
Non-existing black spots, non-existing diagonal lines on the face, etc.
You need to compare it with another sensor without an anti alias filter eg D800E. The D800E shows significant cross hatching on the face. Oddly the Fuji misses the left to right cross hatch and it only really picks up the right to left hatch. Comparing to the 5D MKIII or 6D it is quite similar.