Jaythomasni: Picture Quality is the King. None of the current Canon P&S cameras have the deep color,contrast of the old Por-1 and G6 or even the old Elphs with UA elements. Pro-1 had miniature L-lens. G6 had super f2 lens.People only look for focus speed, evf,tilt lcd. no one does care for absolute pic quality. All todays models have the average lens quality. no aspherical, UD, UA or super UD elements or fluorite or fluorine or super spectra coating.the result is current G models have low contrast, shallow color,.only thing improved is low light grain and some DR. and those are mostly achieved at processing level. not at absolute lens or sensor quality level.
The G16 uses Sony BSI sensor appearing on almost all P&S on earth. cold low contrast pics. Canon is yet to bring the ultimate sensor and lens combination to the bridge market. sony did it with RX10 and is a huge success..Fuji has a the good lens on their X20. L class lens and high end sensor is the ultimate success recipe.
Sony RX10 a huge success? Do you mean in sales or in execution?
How is this differentiated from all the others? Either it should have a really good EVF or a longer lens or a brighter lens or larger sensor or something!!
matty_boy: By far the biggest issue with the other XE cameras is the AF performance. Something we have regular comments and complaints about in store. Having owned an X-E1 i have to concur that the first few versions of firmware were awfully slow.. Considering Fuji now claim that the XT-1 has the world's fastest AF, how come there is no comment whatsoever about this claim. It would be somewhat of a game changer for many enthusiasts if it really does live up to the claims, making the XT a candidate for action photography which none of its predecessors could ever have been accused of being suitable for. How come there is no comment, in fact the whole 'first impressions' reads like 'our interpretation of the specs with a smattering of opinion' i have to say I'm surprised that focus point selection (as mentioned by Andy Westlake) has only just been mentioned, this has always been a pain on other X series cameras
@fakuryu. Unlikely to be quite as fast as OMD5 but apparently will track moving subjects well- currently a weakness in M4/3 to date.
Looks like a good entry model for the EM series.The controls look more accessible than EM5 but why is the diopter so large?This may be better to use than EM5 if you don't need weather sealing.
Fuji have made this claim before but only to be shown to be nearly 'up with the play" eg EX-2. Hope they are there or thereabouts anyway.
MarcusGR: Now than Oly has released its Stylus1, it is high time for Sony to respond by equipping RX100 with a built-in EVF (and possibly a slightly wider and/or longer zoom, as far as camera size does not exceed 400-450 grs.) !! A viewfinder is vital for ... 'grown-up' travellers, finding it highly un-practical having to wear glasses each time they need to see details on a darned small screen in a sunny day.Of course, RX100's sensor is much larger than Stylus1's. Nonetheless, a long-sighted person will rather sacrifice some IQ (and some high-ISO performance) than the possibility to SEE all camera info when shooting. As to external (add-on) VFs, they are not a viable option for a traveller's camera !You, camera-makers! Can't you see that MOST travellers are aged over 45 ??
@MarcuGR.Sorry: have to do this.
IMPRACTICAL not UN.
Had a look at the Stylus 1. Great to handle and excellent viewfinder but the IQ is a little worse than the ZX-2 due to the longer zoom having quite a bit of distortion ( looking at the reviews now on the web).It is also a little large. Make me think why not just have an EM-5 and a couple of lenses but I DO see the point of this camera.A near equivalent is the Sony RX10 but as the sensor is much larger so too is the lens and therefore the whole rig.
crazyhorse5: After looking for a compact digital with large sensor. It seems that the Lumix DMC-Lx7 seems to have the largest sensor with the best Lens . So would this make it the best one to buy for Picture quality , which is what i really want. Not sure if it has zoom , but then none of the large sensors seem to have zoom. Would cropping deliver the same results as a Sony HX50v
Maybe the confusing naming of sensor sizes has...er..confused him. One day we may have an understandable naming ie diagonal measurement in mm (7.2 to 43.3mm) or surface area (28 to 864 mm) or just a grading eg size 1x to 30... 1x being the smallest used in cameras (1/2.3") and 30x being "Full Frame or 35mm film size.This would make the Sony X100 a 4.1x sensor and an LX7 a 1.72x, a Fuji X20 a 2.0x, an OMD-E5 an 8.0x and Canon 70D 19.5x and a 5D 30x. The HX50V would be a 1.0x.
Causio: I just noticed that the RX100 II overestimates ISO to the point where - being iso the same - it shoots at half speed as the Fuji X20. You can download the night shots at iso 3200 for both and check yourself: Sony is 1/8 sec f5, Fuji 1/15 f4.5. Sony shot at iso 6400 brings it at 1/15 sec (f5). Even considering the tighter aperture, sony overestimates iso more than Fuji does (2/3 stops?). In real world, this would translate as shooting at lower iso with Fuji, being the desired speed and aperture the same.It would be nice if dpReview made people notice in an OBVIOUS way on their comparison pages, that there is some iso overestimation going on for all cameras, and varying from model to model.
At the long end of the zoom (f1.8-4.9) the Sony will be getting less light to it's sensor compared with the Fuji and although it's sensor has more light gathering area it cannot make up the difference to the Fuji with it's brighter lens (f2.0 -2.8). Hence the Sony needs more time to gather the light and chooses a slower shutter speed.
larrytusaz: One page--again, ONE PAGE would be nice. Next, next, next, next--what is this? (Hint: view it on a tablet or smartphone with a browser in "mobile viewing" mode, something like Opera Mini or Dolphin Mini.)
@Barney Britton. If you are doing a site redesign I have a couple of suggestions.When you have a review page please don't require the reader to click again to another page. It used to be fine but now is confusing and a bit daft.When you click on review images they expand (twice). Can you please revert to all images doing this including forum post images.Please, please delete the "click for remaining replys" nonsense in posts.
Other than that well done for the good work. I think the site IS getting a bit overloaded but also some interesting stuff going on. Don't forget to get those reviews out though. : ) Cheers Doug
DP review mentions the 360º rotation of the mode dial but don't say if the lock is as per the 60d. ie if it HAS to be unlocked or if it can be set to lock or not - ie do we have a choice? Also the rear multi-controller - is it better or worse than the 60D (which was not very good).One of the main turnoffs of the 60D was the loud and cheap shutter sound. It is probably the same mechanism as the 50D but I think the light plastic body made it sound worse.I actually reverted to the 50D as I preferred the handling.This 70D looks to have better shadow noise and hi ISO, better af and better movie af but will it still have the traits of the 60D that I didn't like eg unpleasant shutter sound and clumsy rear multi-controller and awkward Mode dial.Also I see it has the ISO button in the middle (as per 60D) not the end where it is easy to find (as per 50D).
white shadow: A reasonably good compromise for those who cannot afford a Canon 1DX or 5D Mk3.
Good God it does not have a built-in GPS.
I would like GPS just so I could remember the exact spot I took the photo. Even better would be voice annotation as on Pro level SLRs (and as I had on my Fuji S2 Pro). This allow you to make a small voice note about what you are photographing. Very handy when you are shooting for calendars.
name here: DPreview: I find it hard to agree with your raw noise conclusions.
60D samples on the bottom of page 15 look cleaner to me at ISO 1600 and upward. You do say 70D is smoother between 1600-6400. If my monitor is not failing me, I don't quite see that. In particular, the blue patch is a lot more noisy on 70D than on 60D... and, even green and gray patches are noisier on 70D. There's also less detail on the face. Not sure why your graphs don't show that.
@Gabebalazs. If that's so then that may be the major improvement along with the improved video af. Canon has been lagging in shadow noise on their APS-C sensors.
Scott Eaton: Looking at the comparison shots objectively I'm not sure how anybody working on a real monitor can't see the improvements over the 7D and 60D. Those saying it's not improvement over the 60D need to stop surfing with their Androids and use a real computer. Color accuracy has also improved with the 70D...something 7D fanatics don't comprehend.
What's also obvious is while the 70D has made substantial improvement with high ISO noise the camera lags the 7100 by a rather substantial margin in all other areas, especially just plain detail. Typical 'smudgy' Canon sensor detail...no surprise.
Scott. But in RAW the detail is close to the 7100. It is lost in the jpgs due to Canons NR and low sharpness setting. See CNET's video review. The 7100 has no AA filter so should show more detail and does but not by much. Also with no AA filter there will be moire problems at times when photographing grid patterns etc
win39: Photo Ninja is another raw converter that might be used in conjunction with an editing program.
My question is which of these programs might accept plugins designed for Photoshop. The NIK plugins also work with Aperture I believe. Does Elements take PS plugins?
I want to like PhotoNinja but it produces some weird results.It is easy and fast but they need to do some more work on in as it currently produces odd colorations. It does give a somewhat pleasant mild HDR effect to images with nice mid-tones and loads of detail. One to keep an eye on.DXO has a grainy and low res looking output - ugly even.
Dougbm_2: I just have to say it. Although the image seem to show this is a capable camera the general quality of photography in this site is quite average. Maybe that's part of it's appeal? It is more of a gear site than a photo site. Still useful but maybe not so inspiring.
I am referring to the review photography not the challenges.I would expect a camera review site to have very good quality photography eg Steve Huff's site. I just don't find the review images ever inspire me the way Steve's do.
I just have to say it. Although the image seem to show this is a capable camera the general quality of photography in this site is quite average. Maybe that's part of it's appeal? It is more of a gear site than a photo site. Still useful but maybe not so inspiring.
Dear DP Review.Is there some way we can have all replies to posts automatically showing?It is time wasting to continually have to click to see the remaining replies.Thanks
ekaton: Wrong pick, by about one country mile. The X100 was quite something when it was released into the market place some 3 years ago, warts and shortcomings included. Since then, Fuji tried to surf on the X1 wave with follow on products with declining success, X10, X20, XPro1, XE1/2. The IQ of the x-trans sensor is not compelling, it only shines at high iso in comparison to mft and meanwhile mediocre standard aps-c sensors, albeit at the expense of details. Fuji has to go to the drawing board to gain customers back. Sensor, performance, build quality look ordinary these days, yet prices don`t.
@Collie Camp.Yes I mentioned the XF-1 and G11 as an illustration that a small sensored camera can have good Dr too. I have used images from my old G11 for calendar shots. Interesting you say the 5D MKII has ugly shadow noise as that is my complaint about Canons ASP-C sensors and why I use the 5DMK1 for real estate work (as I often need to lighten the shadows quite a bit).