Roland Karlsson: It looks nice. Maybe made a mistake when buying RX100 III ?
RX100 much more compact and has onboard flash and tilt screen.
Just noted that you can switch from mechanical to electronic shutter in the menu and hence from max 1/4000 sec to 1/16000 sec hence bypassing the need for an ND filter. If this is easily accessible it will make this a much more viable camera for me. I usually have my X100 set at f4 and often need the ND filter in daylight at the aperture so this is a big deal. Now about that inbuilt flash and tilt screen Panasonic?
joyclick: Why 12.8MP sensor and not 16MP? and why low ISO starting at 200?is Panasonic testing waters?
In order to get good higher ISO results many manufacturers set the base ISO at 200. If set at say ISO 50 then this lowers the High ISO performance. Same deal for the MP. Generally less MP means better high ISO. eg A7r is 36Mp but A7s is 12Mp.
Boss of Sony: Is this camera made of wood? I'm looking for a camera that's made of wood.
I want a fully washable and fully recyclable camera made from wool. Think about it!
mpgxsvcd: A lot of people don't realize that the point of a fast wide aperture lens and a larger sensor is to get rid of the flash for most pictures. Sure you might need a flash for a fill flash. However, your phone actually works quite well as a flash if you are in that situation.
This camera doesn't need a flash for most situations like the old small sensor "VERY SLOW" lens cameras did.
Not a person who makes many assumptions then?
Jacques Cornell: I wonder why Panasonic didn't use the same 20MP 1" sensor as the FZ1000, given that it seems comparable in high-iso noise and superior in resolution. It would have allowed a smaller camera and/or faster lens. The LX100 seems like a great camera, but it doesn't provide a pocketable option for current MFT owners. Waiting for an LF2 with a better lens.
Needed to leapfrog Sony's RX100Mk3. Ends up fighting with Canon GX1-Mk2 which if you remember has a much longer lens and larger sensor. No EVF though.
I wonder how long it takes to extend and retract the lens because on the Lf1 it is quite slow which is a bit of a pain.
Dougbm_2: Looks like a very good camera. Disappointments are no tilt screen, no built in flash and no ND filter (or not fast enough shutter speeds to be able to shoot wide open in good light). Maybe the last is the most important. If it had these I would be more encouraged to 'surrender' my X100.
A compact-ish camera like this is something you carry when you don't want to carry add ons. Hence the lack of onboard flash and the need (?) to screw on an ND filter are hassles that as an X100 user I don't have.
Old Baldy: It looks like a decent camera, but I think a lot of APS-C DSLR camera owners have switched to mirrorless APS-C and 4/3 cameras with their modern sensors offering equivalent or better IQ. I am going to guess that the sensor and IQ will not be competitive with the latest Nikon and Sony sensor cameras, or perhaps even struggle against the better 4/3 cameras.
I see this camera becoming more of a niche camera for fast moving wildlife and sports, rather than as an overall, general purpose camera, for which there are now many equivalent or better cameras.
In summary, I think it may be Too little;Too Late?
"but I think a lot of APS-C DSLR camera owners have switched to mirrorless APS-C and 4/3 cameras with their modern sensors offering equivalent or better IQ". You have no way of actually knowing that. The accuracy and speed of the 7D in all af modes including afc sets it apart from all but the much more expensive cameras. It really does make a difference as I proved photographing the climate March on the weekend. The 5Dc was hit and miss the 7D snappy and bang on. The 7D doesn't have tilt screen as it is built to be more rugged and weather proof. You pays your money etc…However I can't see the need for me to upgrade from the 7D Mk1 to this Mk2.
Pallke: Nice camera, nothing special.
But: in 5 years from 18MP to 20MP... hmmmm WOW!
Well maybe max for Canons tech but also for users who don't have huge hard drive space or mega fast processors (I have quite a bit but would want to regularly process files from a 24Mp plus camera). One of the benefits of using a older and lower Mp camera is the faster workflow. Now this may not matter too much to most but when you have a deadline to meet it sure does. Hence my interest in the A7s.
Good. They have realise that is practical maximum for APSC.
Brian Greig: Needs a viewfinder
Needs better battery life!
Looks like a very good camera. Disappointments are no tilt screen, no built in flash and no ND filter (or not fast enough shutter speeds to be able to shoot wide open in good light). Maybe the last is the most important. If it had these I would be more encouraged to 'surrender' my X100.
beavertown: Nikon 1 will definitely go to hell.
My Panny Lf1 does 60fps but at quite low res (2.5pp). It does 10fps full res (12Mp) but max 5fps tracking (but don't know how well - not tried it). at 60fps that sure chews up card space and gives an awful lot of images to look through that are very similar and low quality. Are the Canon's at full res>\?
Jogger: Fuji has the only successful APSc fixed-lens compact on the market. Others from Nikon, Sigma, Ricoh, etc... have flopped despite being good cameras.
I would worry though, the 1-inch compacts are gonna eat their lunch.
The GR seems to have a lot of happy users if photography forums are any guide.
arhmatic: Time for a survey?Tilt Screen? Yes/No?
SDF: So this is Panasonic version of Fuji X100 clone?
I think it is an alternative to an X100. It's not a L of of a difference!
Scorehound: I remember when the 60D came out and people all over were laughing at the swivel screen. It was lauded as a pimped up Rebel. Now it's expected that every Canon camera should have a swivel screen and the 60D is very well respected.
I remember when the 6D came out and people complained that it didn't have a swivel screen and the 11 focal points were a farce. People thought the wifi was a risk and GPS was a battery destroying waste. The sub-par continuous shooting rate was dismal. The lack of dual card slots angered photographers and many people thought the camera would fall flat. Now the 6D is used by pros and semi pros everywhere and has garnered a reputation as a solid piece if hardware for the serious photographer on a budget.
So now the 7D mkII comes out. It has 65 AF points, 10 FPS, a large buffer, dual card slots and a slew of features that the 5D mkIII doesn't even have for under $2000 and people are crying about it? Help me understand. Please.
Had a 60D - didn't really like it. Nice images though. Got a 50D - much better feel and handling - grainy images. Tried another 60d - Nope - sold. Got a 7D - excellent but if I had to choose I would keep my 5Dc rather than the 7D. I just prefer the slower more deliberate action not to mention cleaner images with more to give in Photoshop.
George Veltchev: Oh yeah, ladies and gentsIt's been a long timeIt's been a long, long timeThis is the comeback of the yearOf the king is backYou know the king is back !
No - he choked on a sandwich.
DarkShift: Canon seems to be stuck too much with their old design of controls and interface. Not much improvements in this regard.
The thumbwheel position is not very good for controlling aperture or shutterspeed. It moves too easily by accident if not locked. Not good position for left eye dominant shooter either. Very disturbing.
I don't quite understand why they can't add control wheel to upper right of their bodies like every other manufacturer.
Not convinced the back wheel can't be improved. A dedicated exposure comp dial (and +-3EV) not to mention ISO dial would be better and I am sick of rotating the wheel to view my images. It is easier on the base models where you can just press and hold to scroll.