Richard Franiec: This fast and furiously progressing segment has possibly most interesting, ground breaking cameras in form of Sony A7's and Panasonic GM1. Olympus E-M1 is a solid, mature camera with a few refinements over the original, nothing really shocking there if it'll take the crown due to popularity among M4/3 users.
GM1 is doing remarkably poorly still.
All that buzz (among the m43 crowd), yet barely any support. I understand why the E-M1 is overshadowing the GX7, they're kind of similar, but I would have expected the GM1 to be appealing to a different faction of m43 users.
sbszine: I think the Sony A7 / A7r should be combined into one entry, as they are basically the same camera. (Not a partisan thing -- I voted for the E-M1 myself).
Sony's fault for releasing two very similar cameras at different price points.
At this point in the vote, it doesn't matter much though since if you tally up the numbers for the A7 and the A7r, it still doesn't earn Sony the top spot.
Sad Joe: Well as I predicted the poor old M2 is getting the same level of 'respect' that the M got. I love using my 2x EOS-M's with my all EF, EF-S, M and classic FD glass. That gives me 18 lenses….Such a joy to use my old FD glass all over again with simple cheap adapters. Its fun to use, in a strange way it takes me back to my very first camera which was a rangefinder - small compact but very high MADE IN JAPAN quality. Please guys if you have no plans to buy one nor even try one - shut up…..if Canon have made a mistake (and I don't think they have) then its their problem. If your a Canon owner and you don't fancy a Canon CSC - shop elsewhere rather than just moan. Panasonic make some great cameras….Myself I look forward to the higher spec version of the M - the M2 S or M3 (or whatever they will call it) stacked with 70D tech it mid 2014….
Since it's not that different from the M, M2 gets the respect it deserves.
And don't tell us to shut up, this is the front page, not the EOS M sub forum. People are free to react to the news of this product.
Mike tn: The EOS-M is $299 at B&H right now. What point and shoot or CSC for $299 will outdo it in image quality?
Apparently, any current gen m43 will outdo an APS-C Canon:
That's what happens when you use the same sensor for 5 years. Competition catches up, even with a sensor 40% smaller.
Donnie G: No surprises here. Canon is wisely selling the camera in Japan and Asia only, since those are the only places where mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras have had any kind of sales success. Unlike the competition, Canon doesn't have to bet the company's future on a camera form factor that has only proven to be commercially successful when they were sold by the millions as small, pocketable and cheap fixed lens P&S. Smartphones own that ground now, and so far, the idea of adding a larger sensor and interchangeable lenses to that point and shoot form factor hasn't paid off for any camera company. If the EOS M cameras ever turn a significant profit for the company, then there will be incentive for further development of that system. Until then, it just makes sense to stick with what works for the overwhelming majority of camera buyers on the planet, and that's Canon's highly profitable line of DSLRs. Business 101. :)
Last time I checked, the EOS M had a 2% market share in the Japanese mirrorless market. The 3 biggest players in the same market have over 10 times that amount for each of them (toogether, they own over 80% of the market).
"it pays not to compete"
EOS M is a camera/line without a purpose.
If it's really a mirrorless camera of its own, where are the native lenses? Where are the bodies? This EOS M 2 ain't coming here so it's only the dated EOS M (1) for God knows how long. Why does it refuse to have features and performance that make it compete with other mirrorless cameras from 2013? Why should anyone buy this over any other mirrorless alternative?
If it's just a mirrorless body to use your Canon DSLR lenses with, why no viewfinder? Why the slow AF? What are we supposed to gain from a slower, weather-vulnerable, feature-poor body?
marike6: So this is where mirrorless fans come with their unrealistic views of the camera market to laugh at the EOS M.
In the meantime, Canon will continue to dominate the camera industry and they will continue to laugh all the way to the bank. :-)
"Why do you want to start a whole new lens mount just to have a slightly smaller camera bag?"
"please don't criticize this camera, it should not be in the market, just look again at those DSLR sales over there, oh yeah, nice distraction, yeah keep looking, stop thinking"
What's unrealistic about wanting a camera that does not suck?
"But check those DSLR sales!"
It doesn't make the EOS M (2) suck less or help Canon sell this POS.
Canon fanboys have been harping on this EOS M2 for so long, now that it's finally here, it's already obsolete. Canon isn't even trying.
John Mason: My favorite Canon of all time was the 5d3 often with the 85 1.2 lens attached. However, after over a decade shooting both Olympus and Canon systems, I finally went all in and got 2 EM1 bodies and some more lenses.
While there are still fringe occasions where the 5d3 would have served me better, for the vast majority of my shooting, the EM1 gets me more keepers.
Part of this is the sensor. The little sony sensor the em1 is using has even more raw post processing adjustment range than the 5d3 did.
But the biggest reason for the larger keeper rate, is the ability to use some amazing primes with the 5 stop IBIS. Whether its causal street shooting at night, or low light events, the EM1 was more consistent in getting me great results.
Interestingly, as I sold off all my Canon gear the buyer told me how in NYC the weekend before he had a Nikon guy sell off all his D800 gear for the EM1 for the same reasons.
This Gear of the Year award is well deserved in my mind.
Why two E-M1's?
Two different m43 bodies make more sense to me. You cover more bases.
davids8560: What would you say is the best mirrorless camera for action/fast subjects using focus tracking/continuous AF? I have the impression that none of them are by DSLR standards, but even so, which is the best performer in this regard, all things considered and not being equal?
Unfoprtunately, that is a weakness for mirrorless cameras. However the Olympus OMD EM1 is the closest thing to a sports camera as you can get in the mirrorless world:
It could be fast and accurate enough for you.
I thought the A7 was going to be better at high ISOs than the A7r, but not from not what I'm seeing here. I wouldn't shoot above ISO 12800 with this camera.
Noise reduction is pretty aggressive too. Even switching to RAW, many fine details disappear above ISO 1600, especially dark colors.
67gtonr: It seems to me that the Canon EOS M with its 22 f/2.0 lens would be better, it's roughly the same size with a better sensor, better screen, better built, providing better image quality and unlimited expansion possibilities, and it costs less!
Maybe the Canon EOS M 2 when it's finally out. If ever and is everything we wish it to be. Quite a bit bigger though.
But the plain old Canon EOS M? lol
davids8560: I would like to see more weatherproofed MILC's. I mean, "high quality, take everywhere cameras" they say - that is, unless it's cold or it's rainy!
I'm pretty sure Olympus has a couple of weatherproofed MILC's, but I think none of the lenses are. And Nikon has one. Correct me if I'm wrong!
Isn't environmental sealing a fairly easy feature to add to a camera? All those little rugged compact cameras on the market right now might be tough, but every last one of them lacks the photographic power of a camera like this little camera.
I think environmental sealing would appeal to a lot of people. A tough little camera that's a real photographic tool, not a point-and-shoot.
60mm macro lens is also weather-sealed.
Panasonic GH3 is also weatherproof.
Philly: This is a very surprising recommendation from the same reviewer who wrote the "First Impression" on GM1. If you look at that "First Impression", it was very negative:
with only the camera's negatives highlighted. What changed?
She actually gave it a chance after fiddling 5 minutes with the freshly out-of-the-box camera?
Ben O Connor: I bought an E-PM1 body only (which was dead cheap! and brand new !!) and a sigma DN art lens 30 mm f 2.8.
Wishing to see this new collapsable lens (12-32) will be on sale as just itself.... That would help my photography and budget.
You can do that in Europe and Asia:
oluv: can someone tell me how canon manged to squeeze such a compact 15-60/2.8-5.8 lens into the G1 X, and panasonic only managed a 12-32 3.5-5.6?
even if the lens was not fixed (as it is with the G1 X) i still think it could be made similar in size to the 12-32 or x14-42.
when we have a small camera like the GM1, there should also be more really small lenses. i would even welcome collapsible primes, if it would allow them to be pancake-flat. have a look at the 40mm/2.8 pentax pancake, which even covers a fullframe sensor.
The lack of pancake primes is one of the great mysteries of m43. It's obvious there's a demand for those lenses and there's obviously gaps in the already great m43 lens lineup. For example, there's no cheap 25mm (50mm equivalent), one of the most used type of lens in photpgraphy.
Technically, anything between 12 and 30mm, slower than f2 and with some optical compromises (and then corrected partly by software) can be "pancaked" as far as I understand it. If that lens is below 300, it also hits the sweet spot.
Hopefully, the GM1 and hopefully other m43 cameras like it will encourage part of m43 lens development in that direction.
This is the first Panasonic m43 camera I'm interested with since the original GF1.
After the tempting GX7, Panasonic might be finally coming out of its shell.
mailman30: fair to say these cameras make the rx1 obsolete?
Unless you want a native 35mm faster than f2.8 or you think the A7 is still too big.
So yes, it is obsolete. That's why they released the RX1R just before. They milked that cow with one superficial update but now the milk is gone.