moji: With my budget I can only buy the EVF for this camera! Shall I invest in this system by buying the EVF and stop smoking and save money to get the camera later on? God, some people have money!
Ironically, since I wrote this comment, Leica came forward with a compact FF camera... with a Leica price. :)
Cane: Looks like she's grabbing her you know what and her you know what. If that's what you are going for, very hot picture.
Pregnancy should not put a stop to a little bit of self love.
safaryan: I moved to Olympus OMD EM5ii from shooting Nikon (both full frame and cropped bodies) for a couple of years. I also purchased the Sony A6000 at the same time to try, which instantly became my everyday camera. I loved Sony so much that researched and bought the new Sony A7ii with some nice native lenses. My dilemma is that although I love the Olympus OMD EM5ii and think that's one of the best cameras I have ever used in terms of performance, I have never been able to achieve the same IQ and sharpness I get from Sony A6000 with a cheap 50mm 1.8 lens (I have Olympus 12mm, 25mm, 45mm, 60mm Macro, 75mm, 12-40mm PRO). Is it due to the mere sensor size, user error, or am I missing something here? I'm considering on selling my Olympus setup to offset the Sony A7Rii purchase, which I tried and loved. Does anyone have EM5ii image samples that showcases its "legendary" IQ?
Possibly setting related. I know Sony cameras boost saturation levels by default compares to Olympus' warm but more neutral colors.
Post samples to compare.
Francis Carver: "Panasonic announced the first-ever 20MP Micro Four Thirds camera."
Product announcements are usually not reviews. Also, since we have had cameras with app. 20MP sensors for seemingly ions, and including all sorts of form factors and size sensors to boot -- why is it a "big deal" if Panasonic now is announcing one such camera with the same pixel density sensor?
Whereas I do not wish to rain on anyone's parade, summertime is usually not the time to get overly excited about new camera products and announcements about them. Let's hope this autumn and winter will bring a more palatable crop of them to fruition.
Are you serious?
Hugo808: Why is it so big? The attraction with M4/3 is that it's mall. This looks Leica sized.
Leaving aside trolls, I think there are two reasons.
Most people have arbitrary ideas when a sensor is too small. It's a matter of IQ being good enough and having enough DoF control. Passed a certain treshshold and it's not good enough so it's too small. Mostly personal and varies from person to person. I have no problem with that.
The other reason is the more sheepish. FF and APSC have been a stapple of DSLRs from different manufacturers for a long time. So those aspiring to become serious photographers would go to these sensor size to "make it". (M)43 being smaller, supported by a single consortium/manufacturer is seen as illegitimate, regardless of actual, real world performance and support. Attitudes are changing, many choose to dump their bigger-sensored gear for m43 but there is still a large segment who resist because m43 doesn't fit their image of serious photography thus it is "too small". Unfortunate but human nature is what it is.
MDGColorado: It's odd to consider recent Panasonic innovations like DFD and IBIS + lens IS to be a drawback. These features have improved performance using Panasonic lenses, but they have not hurt performance using other lenses.
The A7RII shows you can have 5-axis IBIS with 4k, with a sensor 4 times as big in a body roughly as small as Panny bodies. Panasonic is running out of excuses.
I suspect the real reason is political. Real IBIS would undermine sales of their own lenses by making Oly lenses more attractive. Having two main manufacturers in m43 has many advantages, but this would be an example of a downside.
Camera size is not directly related to sensor size.
fedway: I'm more of a stills guy than a video guy. So the best thing that I like about the GX8 is it will prod Olympus to accelerate the introduction of the E-M1 mark II. And it will probably have the same 20mp Sony sensor but optimized for stills. I could not care less at this point about 4k video and hope the E-M1 does not have it. (Although by 2020 I will care about even higher resolution video because at that point, grabbing stills from video will be the way to go.)
I'm looking forward to the same camera.
However, if the GX8 uses the same Sony 20MP sensor many are expecting the next EM1 to use, I must say I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing. It gives the increase in MP that many were claimoring for (but I don't personally need it) and does so without seemingly downgrading high ISO and DR. But it seems to be the only extent of the improvements. You don't have the same as when M43 jumped from 12 to 16MP. Sensor development plateau.
In that case, I'd happily continue using 16MP.
Samuel Dilworth: It would be interesting if DPReview would spend a few words explaining WHY the GX8 is so big compared to the GX7, despite the removal of the flash (itself not a problem for me), etc. Maybe Panasonic USA can help.
The GX7 is itself hardly tiny. Is the GX8 bigger chiefly because some people want bigger cameras, or is it bigger for technical reasons that can’t be easily circumvented? Clearly the viewfinder is bigger, but that doesn’t account for much.
It is what it is and I don’t write off the camera, but it sure is beefier than I expected.
They already did in the comments. It's the first explanation so it's like the EM1. Bigger for better ergonomics, better physical controls and better balance with big optics.
Donald M Mackinnon: For £1069 you can buy a kit that would defeat the GX8 on every conceivable front. The worrying aspect of this price is it puts the GX8 beyond the budget of possibly many current mft users. The price will inevitably drop but in two years time will it be down to £600? Any camera shop in the UK will tell you right now that the "camera to have" is the Nikon D5500 - currently £599
That's because you put a FF sensor on a pedestal and have no care or clue how everything else around a sensor can affect price, performance and handling of same camera.
Markol: Twice the price of a Sony Alpha 6000.Ok, 4k and 2-axis IBIS.Also compared to the Samsung NX500 this is extremely overpriced.20MP vs. 16 makes not a lot of difference, IF there is no significant advance in IQ.Bottom line: too many compromises for a high-end camera.
As someone with a fondness for Samsung products, you should appreciate a NX1-style EVF in a NX500-style body.
johnsmith404: Calling a resolution increase of just around 12% a 'leap' is pushing it a bit.
The math says 25%... Maybe a step then?
Because m43 already covers you if you want something small. Plenty to choose from.
But in the last few years, they've been releasing beefier bodies in parallel that are better suited for high-specced lenses. It's something requested and bought by pros and enthusiasts.
If you feel this camera is too big, you're probably not its target demographics.
No 4K, no IBIS, much smaller stationary EVF, primitive AF, only swivel LCD...
You have a FF sensor and that's it. That's the only front where the original A7 beats this camera. Far cry from "every conceivable front".
Lieslayer: This camera could be a game changer for many on the fence about M43
I don't think so. And these gearhead forums proclaim game changers with every camera announcement, it seems.
I believe cameras like the GH4, LX100 and particularly the original EM5 were more landmark m43 cameras. This GX8 has a lot going for it, Panny will probably make a return on it but I don't think it will change anything in the market so not a "game changer".
And that kit is...?
Edgar_in_Indy: Finally, 4K and IBIS together in an affordable body. And a touchscreen to top it all off!
Assuming the sensor performs well, this camera may replace both my DSLR *and* my LX100.
Yep, 4K and IBIS in the same camera. Just can not be used both at the same time. :/
MikeyLNG: Still disappointed they can't enable the IS during video recording. My E-P5 can and it's incredibly handy.
Probably because it's still a simple 2-axis IBIS. The older Oly m43 cams had the same and their video wasn't stabilized either. Shaky, Jell-O land.
AbrasiveReducer: All this technology. But it seems that when they try to get the best quality from a compact camera it still ends up pretty big.
Like the EM1, it's oversized by design, to make it more ergonomics, had more physical and make it more balanced with constant aperture zooms.
You can have a camera like the EM1 with the same specs yet still make an effort to make it smaller, it's called an EM5 mark II.
That zoom looks tempting. The prime is redundant, for m43.