Must be Xmas time in the EOS M subforum.
Jan Hemels: JannemanI bought this camera early spring and was shocked to find out a feature not even one single professional reviewer seemed to have noticed.From standby it takes 2 to 3 seconds to activate the camera for a new shot.This makes it in my opnion totally unfit for a lot of photographers.So far nobody has come up with a solution. The only way to get around this problem is keeping it atcivated. This can be done by 1. using live view 2. pressing the button half constantly. Another option is turning it off because then the start is much quicker. I do use the extra handgrip!Another problem I met is that the Main Control Panel does not work as expected. If you want to change an item it seems very regularly changing the focus field alone. I hope Olympus will soon come up with a solution or else I am forced to buy another camera for this really does not work with me !
Maybe you should have researched the issue a little further.
The camera has a quick sleep mode, I think it's on by default, and it tries to conserve power since mirrorless cameras go through batteries fairly quickly. But it makes the camera, as you observed, slower to wake up.
It can be deactivated. Menu - Custom menu (gears icon) - K utility - Quick Sleep Mode - OFF
So save your money and enjoy the camera again.
Not sure what you mean by focus field so can't help you out with that.
abe4652: If it's 5 axis, why is it only 4 stops of image stabilization? on the em5 ii is gives 5 stops worth.
Because it's the old version of the IBIS, the same one as in the EM5, the EM1 and the EP5.
It's the EM5 mark II that has the newer version of that IBIS. You do pay extra for it, just like for the bigger EVF and weather-sealing.
nerd2: It's 2015 and $649 m43 camera is far from affordable, considering how cheap FF cameras (a7 or d610) have become.
It even does that with m43 at f1.8 (equivalent f3.6) Eyelids in focus but not the eye itself. Not extreme close-up but just casual head and shoulder portrait. Thankfully, AF is smart enough to pick which eye you want in focus if you don't stop down.
Canikon has plenty of cheap FF glass on top of premium stuff. Sony FF mirrorless is a different story.
Jefftan: In 2015 can u really sell a mid range camera without 4K and with old sensor?almost 400 gram is heavy in my opinion for a small sensor camera without weather sealing. Remember GM1/5 with the same sensor is only 200 gram and that is with magnesium alloy frame which EM10 II is not
The only interesting feature this camera has is 5 axis, even this is rate lower than EM5 II (5 stop vs 4 stop)not interesting or exciting
I was thinking that as well, captura, but Olympus is then doing a lousy job of advertizing it. It's not something usually kept secret.
I own a GM1. I bought it because it was tiny and I could use the lenses I already own on it. But I recognize it's a pretty drastic compromize in terms of handling and feel.
So I prefer to use a bigger, more ergonomical camera in other circumstances which, compared to the GM; series, can be pretty much any other camera.
And weight is relative. An empty shell of plastic is not really satisfying to use. Particularly with any lens that has some weight on it.
dahod: I could be wrong but as far as I know it still doesn't support phase-detect autofocus and 4/3 lenses.
Maybe it's more difficult than it appears to migrate the technology from the OM-D EM1 but it's disappointing that Olympus continues to ignore their 4/3 users.
It's not hard to migrate PDAF. This appears to be Olympus deliberately keeping the EM1 with some exclusive features. That and they'd probably argue the EM1 as the largest Oly body is more well suited for 43 DSLR lenses which are larger than M43 lenses.
As a customer I think they're wrong but I understand why they make those choices as a corporation. Thankfully, they're usually generous with other features, more so than most camera manufacturers.
Sitting Duck Photos: I find it amusing that DPR picks out a feature that they want in a camera that isn't and use it as a Con. Like 4K video. Plus, they still keep beating the 16mp not enough drum by Silver Awarding it because they aren't satisfied. Laughable. I think it reflects the evolving culture of DPR staff as they are part of the generation that's forgotten that cameras were about taking pictures, not video and 16mp is more than enough for people using this level camera.
Note: forgot to mention how absurd it is to continually see negative comments about the menu system. All you have to do is have some patience and move around it to get to your settings. Too impatient? Put it on auto and fire away.
But these cameras are not released on a vacuum. They compete with other cameras and so expectations evolve as to what is generally expected in a camera in 2015. There's even competition within m43 and an obvious rival to the Oly camera is the Panasonic G7 with 4K. But while Panny includes IBIS in some of their models, it's conspicuously missing in the G7 and could be seen as a con for that camera.
DPR are not the supreme arbiter of what makes or breaks a camera but I think they usually try to be even-handed in their reviews.
i'm wondering if I'm seeing something that isn't there.. but when I look at this:
I certainly don't see what dpreview is talking about where the statement of:
"the E-M10 II appears to be punching above its weight with respect to low light performance, catching up to larger APS-C sensors. "
E shutter for one thing...
Beat Traveller: Geez... it's going to be harder to improve on these cameras soon...
Next-Gen PDAFFaster mechanical shutterWeather sealing...
If wishes were horses...
Just one thing, in the conclusion DPR were surprized the RAW files were beating key APSC rivals and were reserving excitement until the issue is investigated further... But why is the review published now? It seems the IQ findings should be investigated first then included in the review. Otherwise it feels like a preview to leave us hanging with no definitive word on something as important as IQ.
I find it highly unlikely DPR would come back weeks, if not months later (it's DPR after all), and publish some exhaustive IQ report on a low end model reviewed already. Is there even a precedent for this?
3 hour after the announcement, we get the review. Not bad. Even though it's a "micro" review. ;)
bluevellet: New format doesn't work on older Windows systems. A bit buggy on my phone too.
Pretty much all of DPR works on older Windows, just not that new feature. I still thought it was relevant because my phone doesn't like the feature either and it's from 2015.
Me thinks we'll get the review one page at a time as featured articles posted at different intervals stretching to all the way to Xmas.
New format doesn't work on older Windows systems. A bit buggy on my phone too.
steve_hoge: Would be nice to see the results of pairing these lenses with the OMD EM-5 Mk II body shooting in hi-res (40Mp) mode.
It's not we live in Waterworld. Face away from the moving water: problem solved.
They even had the tripod for the landscape shots. Missed opportunity.
FlowTrader: Would like to see continuous AF in normal and bad conditions. I would guess there would be no comparison between DSLR and Mirrorless in this case. Would like to be shown otherwise.
I noticed that you move the camera that isn't realistic. You should be doing this with a moving subject and comparing your success rates between the different cameras.
Whether consciously or subconsciously, moving the camera on a stationary subject means you're controlling the action rather than following/tracking a moving and sometimes erratic subject. If you use MF, the former is easier than the latter. So that's one variable.
I understand for this quick test, DPR wanted to control the lighting levels so they were stuck in an apparently small studio where Rishi only leaned forward for simulating movement. But real world tests like following Richard Butler on his bike, some pets running towards the camera or just kids running around are probably better.
I expect those for the review, especially the Butler test. It's almost a DPR tradition.
Nukunukoo: -3EV for Phase Detect accuracy threshold? That's hard to believe and I would like more replicatable tests with different fast lens. Because if the A7Rm2 can constantly perform like that with a bright lens, I will know what my next wedding gear will be!
It will affect AF. The real question is will it affect it enough for you to notice.
Rishi already established an early, rough estimate like if you use a FE lens at f2 instead f1.4, the one f stop difference should be like one EV difference in AF ability. Obviously native f4 zooms gather much less light so would make AF much worse in low light hence why DPR recommends using bright primes.
Now t-stop differences between lenses with same aperture is less than one full stop so this should translate into lesser differences in EV sensibility. If I understand Rishi correctly.