I am still sitting on my old 5Dmk2 and are just waiting for the right time to get FF mirrorless when it is ready. Ready means for me the same AF performance and a wide range of native AF lenses at fast and slow speeds (e.g. fast 35/1.4 and a compact 2.8 alternative).
Sony seems to go he right way but I cannot see a decent and affordable lens selection within the next 2 years.
Fuji X seems to be much better here but damn it... not FF. I am well covered in m4/3 and would only consider a FF system if I change over and wouldn't consider to maintain 3 systems. To me m4/3 and FF are the right balance. Mirrorless in m4/3 is mature but FF by far not yet.
So I think that many people are watching the changing market and perhaps hold back in purchasing decisions. Or... it's just a market saturation or regression...
Craig from Nevada: This looks like a very good value.
Can second that. I used for years Canon APSC and since 2011 Canon FF. I have no complaints about it. But since a year I also got m4/3 and 4 prime lenses (P14/O17/P25/O45) and I love the Pen 5 form factor. It's a serious system and worth the money I think.
Just Ed: I really like the idea of Sigma's ART lineup, but the appeal of a 50mm f/1.4 jumbo sized lens eludes me.
Ok, if it had close flocus/macro and didn't have much vignetting when used ff, then possibly.
I think to achieve best optical results the lens cannot be very small. Look at the Zeiss Otus which is stunningly good but also a 1kg brick.
If there would be a roadmap of what lenses to expect by 2015 I would consider to purchase this camera (A7 not the A7R).The 35mm at f2.8 is not enough DOF control for me and a bit disappointing. I would have expected at least a f2.0 for that price.
The 55mm seems right except it is way too big for a f1.8. Look at the Canon or Niko 50/1.8 which are optically great lenses and very affordable and much smaller.
Would like to see a fast 20/24/35/50/85 lens. If Sony can make that I might be in the game and get rid of my Canon which I reduced in terms of lenses already to 2 lenses left (16-35 and 85).
jonikon: A thousand dollar camera body and it doesn't come with a viewfinder? Really? So you have to buy the big ugly VF4 EVF separately for another $300 which makes the camera body $1300 and to top it off, it takes blurry pictures! Who in there right mind would buy the E-P5 when the OM-D E-M5 with an EVF and no blurry pictures can be had for around $900? With designs and marketing like this it is little wonder Olympus is in financial difficulties.
I got the kit with VF-4 and 17/1.8 and it was $1,499. I sold the 17 for $450 as I owned it already from my E-PL5. If you look at the kit this camera is kind of reasonably priced, especially if you are going to keep all components of the kit.
I had the VF-2 before and thought about selling the VF-4 at about $250 so the camera price would have dropped for me to $800 but then I started using the VF-4... I kept it and sold the VF-2 for $200 instead.
So overall the E-P5 is only overpriced a bit if you buy the body only.
Rockaw: I think that people are missing it when they complain about the $1399 price point. It's a bargain.
Ming Thein has a very interesting post that shows how the OM-D E-M1 is most correctly compared to the Nikon D4. Same resolution, similar build quality, similar focus speed and accuracy. The D4 has much better video modes, but seriously, nobody buys a D4 to shoot video anyway. It's a still machine.
He also proves that the 5 axis IS is better than anything that Canon or Nikon has done in the lens. His gallery of 1 and 2 second handheld images is pretty amazing.
I know there is a lot of love by the fanboys for FF sensors (I make my living with a 5D3 - so I'm not one of them) but from what I'm seeing, I could use the new E-M1 to replace 95% of the shots I make with the 5D3.
Here's the most telling comparison:http://j.mp/1aKr7Hm
So true what you say.I got a 5D2 and nice L glass but sold my 35, 50 and 135 (kept only 85mm and a 16-35 zoom) just because I don't want to carry around the bulky stuff anymore.
I am a bokeh and shallow DOF lover but with my new E-P5 and some fast primes I don't miss the Canon anymore. I never thought I could be without the FF DSLR but times change...
Ideal would be a Pen type of camera and FF sensor if it is possible to build this not too bulky. The Sony RX1 seems to be that ideal compromise but yet with fixed lens.
My new alternative portrait kit versus the old onehttp://j.mp/1aKt7iX
I think it's a very good lens and offer. Considering the price it seems reasonable to me for a 'pro-line' zoom.
Unfortunately Olympus or Panasonic didn't leverage the small format yet to come up with a f2.0 zoom. This lens here could have been done as constant 2.0 but then the price would have been at least 50% higher I suppose.
Anyway... I won't get it. I stick to fast primes :)
PK24X36NOW: DPR viewfinder size fiction continues. "Dividing (viewfinder magnification) by the crop factor" is essentially an assumption (in this case) that the MFT sensor is 1/2 the size of a FF sensor, which it is not. It is little more than 1/4 the size.
The correct relative size calculation is as follows:
17.3 * 13 * 100% * 1.48 = 332.852 sq mm
35.9 * 24 * 100% * 0.7 = 603.12 sq mm
So the new Oly's "wonder viewfinder is actually little more than 1/2 as big as a typical FF dSLR viewfinder.
Just look through an VF-4 for instance. I have a 5Dmk2 and love the finder but the new VF-4 (and presumably the EM-1) is simply huge. I was always a hater of all sorts of non-OVF and thought I could never live without one but now this is changing.
It started with my Fuji X100 and the hybrid VF which I think was a fantastic idea. Now that VFs get better and better with every increment, I believe that I won't miss my 5D any time soon. I never thought I would think this way.
I feared the day when they would announce the last produced DSLR with OVF and I am sure this won't take more than a couple of years anymore. Today I am happy to see what is coming. A FF mirrorless with small lenses in a Pen-like design would be a killer.
Very nice portrait option for M4/3. This is what we were waiting for since a long time. The Oly 45/1.8 is a great lens and not expensive and does the job for many but there was simply no real alternative if you want it...Let's hope this new lens is on par with the Pana 25/1.4 or Oly 75/1.8 in terms of IQ.I don't think it makes much sense to compare this lens with FF systems. M4/3 is for people who want excellent image quality and a light weight system. If you want shallow DOF then get a FF and don't complain. I got both and both systems have their pros and cons.
I read so many complaints here about testing, articles, phrases used... et cetera. Hey, this website is absolutely free and not too spammy with commercials and also in my eyes quite objective.
DPR is not claiming to be the holy grail in product testing but they do a lot of effort to deliver a very valuable outcome. I won't complain about this free offer. If they are not good enough you can go somewhere else. The market will regulate itself if there are better alternatives (which I doubt there is at the moment).
Personally I read DPR just for fun and to see what's new out there or to get an indication if a certain type of gear is complete waste of money or not.
I find this review very helpful and it is in line with my own experience of the E-PL5.
lighthunter80: Is it likely that I - one day - can get a new view finder for my Oly Pen with that module and it fits into my hot shoe? I don't see any issues with that...? Would be great!
Thanks. You might be right. I got the EP-L 5 which is pretty new... maybe I am lucky and it can support better viewfinders in the near future.Anyways... the Olympus VF2 is actually not too bad. I find it very useful especially at daylight and the resolution is so high that I almost don't see separate pixels. The refreshrate could be a little better though.
Is it likely that I - one day - can get a new view finder for my Oly Pen with that module and it fits into my hot shoe? I don't see any issues with that...? Would be great!
With a f2.0 lens and below $1k this would be a great camera. No other APSC camera is so small. I would get one... Sad that they went with only 2.8
topstuff: There are a lot of strange angry tribal gear heads here today.
The Nikonistas rant, the Canonites whine and hoorah, the Sonyettes bitch and the Olympusonians whimper.
Any photographers visiting just leave the site and go somewhere else.
For many photography as hobby is more about the gear than the actual images is my impression. A camera is for many just a status symbol and every new model makes the own gear suddenly worthless and they crave for the newest, latest...
Actually who _really_ cares if camera X is better at ISO 6400 than camera Y? For 95% of applications ISO 3200 is enough and meanwhile even small sensor and entry models are good at higher ISO.
lighthunter80: Well, it is a full frame sensor with a 35mm f/2.0 lens on it with all the DOF advantages. I would consider to buy one if it had an EVF/OVF _included_ at that price.
I am sure this is not the last of this type of camera. If in the future any producer can come up with a similar concept under $2k they would sell like hot cake.
For all who think it is too expensive they should really consider the Fuji X100S.
At some point there will be 'less $2k cameras. If there is a demand (and there is) then there will be a supply. Maybe not the next 2 years but at some point...Fuji is jumping into this gap to some extend except they are not full frame.
Well, it is a full frame sensor with a 35mm f/2.0 lens on it with all the DOF advantages. I would consider to buy one if it had an EVF/OVF _included_ at that price.
Scott Mac: Olympus has dropped the ball with this one. They have packaged average-quality optics into a premium-quality casing. The result is an average lens at a premium $500 price. They should have housed it in plastic, like the optically superior 45/1.8, which can be had for $330, and they should have sold it for the same price as that lens. That would leave room for an f1.4 version with metal body, snap focus ring, etc, which they could have sold for a similar price to the 12/2.0, which goes for $700 or so.
Well, I tend to use my stuff in the field and didn't have the slightest issue. Also how can you compare a 25mm lens and a 17mm lens?
The price might not be 'fair' or very good value for money but this lens is in every aspect a great performer. Super quick AF, tack sharp and all metal construction with a great AF/MF mechanism. I paid $550 here in Australia and am very happy with this lens.
And to those who are talking about shallow dof with a lens like this haven't understood the concept of m4/3. This is a very compact portable fast and sharp lens for traveling and it's just perfect for this. If I want shallow dof I take my 5D.
lighthunter80: I gave up on the X system and switched to MFT Olympus. I was tired of the slow AF and to be honest, why accepting all these firmware updates to fix the AF when Olympus in firmware 1.0 in the E-PL5 has a multiple times faster AF already. The difference is really like day an night.Sad that this good image quality even after more than a year still lacks a decent AF.
And what if you miss 50% of the shots due to slow AF and not usable MF? doh...
Ridethelight: There are stacks of duplicated slow lenses for canon/Nikon camera's going back years, mirrorless is just a repeat of the last 10yr cyle.If you want to be really serious about DOf ,you will need fixed fast primes or FF .Between panasonic duplicating slow kit lenses and Olympus making overpriced silver lenses without hoods included i have finally lost interest in this m4/3 segment.
I think DOF is not so much of a concern with all these lenses above 100mm. I am saying that as owner of a FF SLR with fast primes. I see these lenses more for the hobby photographer as a travel kit.
If you want DOF and telephoto the 75 1.8 should be enough for 95% of applications.