Karroly: Whatever the camera brand, I much more interested by an unlimited firmware upgrade than a limited edition with special colors or coating...
You realize that a small visual design and production project like this would only take a few days of work, and it wouldn't involve the firmware development group -at all-, don't you?
Peiasdf: Why aren't there any special edition SONY, Panasonic, Nikon, Canon? Oh right, because those cameras are sold on functionality, not hipster appeal.
Uh, special edition cameras like this are aimed at older collectors with extra discretionary income, about as far from "hipsters" as you can get.
But hey, any chance to complain, right?
Looks a lot like it was inspired by the old Pentax SE 35mm SLRs:
Did Oly ever do any 35mm bodies in brown naugahyde?
dcshooter: As an ex-Olympian (I left after the m4/3 switch, since EVFs aren't my cup of tea), I am encouraged to see that they are still managing to carve out their own niche.
Looks like a nice overlll package, and the output images have the characteristic Olympus look. Noise characteristics above ISO400 remain pretty poor, but that'll always be the case with m4/3.
Very good looking, but then again I am a big fan of the original Pen-F (I own 2), and the form factor looks like it will make a nice pocketable street camera and won't intimidate subjects.
Video specs are fine for the body. 4k probably would be waste with the rangefinder-like handling characteristics of the body.
I'd say the price is a bit high given the form factor and specs, but I suppose that reflects what appears to be a very high quality exterior finish.
Critical? Astro, wildlife crops from extreme telephoto, and large art prints just off the top of my head.
justmeMN: In China, I thought that if you wanted something to be Leica branded, you just printed your own Leica labels. :-)
My Dad is a dollar-store and flea market afficionado, so when I visited him the other day, I was amused but not surprised to find he was using "Sharpei" brand permanent markers.
And in case you think I am joking:http://www.amazon.com/Sharpei-Point-Permanent-Markers-Colors/dp/B00BLSXU84
rrccad: so charge 5 times as much for the little red dot on a smartphone and call it good.
Funny, Pentax has a miniscule marketshare as well, yet they just released a highly anticipated FF DSLR at about a 1/3 lower price than comparable models from the competition.
Horshack: Very savvy move on Huawei. They make great phones but many don't know they exist. Attaching their brand to Leica gives them instant name recognition without having to spend millions of dollars in advertising.
Great phones? Every Huawei phone I've used has been utter junk. And then there is this:
TriezeA72: Huawei have struck gold with this deal.....iPhone will suffer mass desertion from hipsters, with this new "Leica" Huawei partnership....
Ridiculous. You are VASTLY overestimating the appeal of Leica to hipsters. Most don't give a rat's ass about photography or know who Leica is, whereas Apple has the advantage of having arguably the most recognizable brand on the planet right now while at the same time somehow retaining some kind of counter-cultural cachet among the hipsterati. .
As if the Leica brand hadn't been dragged through the mud already...
Seriously, having had the displeasure to use Huawei phones, I can state confidently that they are hot garbage. That plus the baggage of their deep ties to the PLA, and their well-known sordid history of industrial spying, and I can see no reason why any Western company would want to get in bed with them (aside, I suppose, from the 1.4 billion reasons living in China).
I guess it just goes to show that the so-called Leica technology advantages really are merely smoke if they're so willing to hand the keys to the kingdom to known criminals.
As to performance improvements in 4/3 sensors over the years, of course they have occurred. But so have improvements in larger sensors, and at faster rates than have m4/3 sensors. The reason why is no mystery, but rather simple physics having to do with light gatheering ability at larger photosites, relative size of wiring/signalling electronics to pixels, and diffraction characteristics of smaller photosites.
It is perfectly reasonable to compare the sensor performance of this camera to its contemporaries rather than half-century old technology (1600 speed film). By this standard, 4/3 is indeed poor.
Like I said, there are other things I like about the 4/3 system, and which led me to use it in a past. Just as there are aspects of this camera that make me relaly like it as a package. If people here would get past their ridiculous emotional attachment to specific brands/systems, they'd realize that it's ok to acknowledge their relative strengths and weaknesses.
I love the needless ad hominem attacks ("If you are getting poor images at ISO 1600 on ANY modern camera - the fault is with you") that fail to recognize that this (and any) camera will be used in a variety of shooting conditions, and that quantitative differences in camera performance characteristics will influence what tool I use for any given scene.. My images are just fine, thank you, since I do know my way around a camera, and it is because I do that there are many situations where given the choice I'd pick another camera over this one because noise was a critical consideration.
Who should I believe? The assertions of those with a vested interest or my own lying eyes?
I own or have recently used examples of all 3 (Pentax K-5II and K-3, Canon 6d, and just yesterday was playing with my brother's Panny G7), and in real world applications, it makes quite a bit more than a single stop difference at each step, even between the "current" generation m4/3 and the older larger sensors.
I'm not trying to bad-mouth 4/3 or troll here. I recognize that the format has very real advantages of its own, particularly with regard to camera and lens size. Heck, I even prefer the aspect ratio. And I -like- how this camera is shaping up. But the tradeoff in noise is very real, and trying to wish it away is simply foolish.
As far as the "right conversion matching FF" goes, just a glance a the pic in the link of the stuffed elephant or the knurled milling machine knob shows quite significant detail loss in the dark/shadowed areas.
As an ex-Olympian (I left after the m4/3 switch, since EVFs aren't my cup of tea), I am encouraged to see that they are still managing to carve out their own niche.
Richard Murdey: "Pentax K-mount lenses are their only option"
Not quite true: K-mount adapts m42 lenses natively.
Hmm, just off the top of my head: SMC-Takumar 50mm f/4 macro, Chinon 50mm f/1.7 macro (Kern Macro Switar optics), SMC Tak 135mm f/2.5, 28mm f/3.5, 85mm f/1.9, probably some of the Tomioka-made primes, the Schneider Edixas, Cooke Amotal, loads of Fujinons....
cgarrard: Ricoh/Pentax ought to concentrate on producing a couple fast, sharp, affordable primes to go along with this announcement.... perhaps a pancake style 40mm, new 50mm f/1.7 or f/1.4, and a mid range tele prime too- 85mm f/2 or f/1.4. A nice 24mm prime, and 28mm prime would also serve well as they are common tools for photographers.
DA50mm f/1.8 and 40mm limited XS pancake have both been tested on FF and already appear to preform quite well as FF lenses, as does the 35mm f/2.8 limited macro, so at least part of that range is already covered. Unfortunately, the 21mm appears to vignette heavily.