filks1: Anyone who knows what medium format means as an optical experience would not apply that term to this camera or many of the slightly larger cameras that are being dressed up and sold as such today. For me you have to be hitting 6cm down one side before you begin to wander into this hallowed ground of technical spec. So will all you amateurs and manufacturers who employ kids go out and shoot a Pentax 6x7 with a standard lens and look at the results against your small dslr's and know deep in your heart what the term medium format means before you start using it here.
Eh, I own several Pentax 67s and 6x7s, and I'm confident in saying that even the current generation of APS-C tech has far outpaced them in terms of overall image quality.
Yeah, the DOF advantages and film look are nice, but they are HARDLY hallowed ground.
But while we are engaging in a pointless pi$$ing contest, I can tell you that holier-than-thou "amateurs" like you using mere 6cm film hardly know what "photography" is until you've shot AT LEAST at 4"x5."
Vafaculo Constosito Di Merdia: What I love about the comments section is the average education of the users.No clue about the sensors´ characteristics, no clue about image processing algorithms, just individuals speaking their minds!This is a 13000quid product as I see, aimed at pro photographers with specific needs, and suddenly you got someone stating that leica s lenses are better than pentax z lenses etc as if he/she has been using them for all his life and has scientificly proven their superiority!The next bit I love about the comments is that I have to have some approval by some guy to publish it when more than half of the comments here are just inadequate for this product. But hey, there are always those trolls that have to be filtered out!The best is though that the overall quality of the article is targeting this audience! No info for pro photographers here.. Just an infomercial.. Like, hey, there is a cool product you cant afford! Look at it! Comment, and go back to your under 1000$ camera!
WOW, you just completely mischaracterized what Vaf said that a single Leica lens was "maybe" better than the equivalent Leica lens and stretch it to "you already acknowledge (it) was MUCH better than Minolta's." Talk about intellectual dishonesty.
It's even funnier when you realize that several of the later supposedly "Leica" film-era lenses were actually simply relabeled MINOLTA Rokkors with a Leica mount!
I can't comment on either the 007 or the 645z in actual use, since I own neither, but I've looked closely at the raws from both cams, and any overall performance advantage for either side in terms of lens or image quality at print size is vanishingly small if it exists at all.
I do know that the Pentax costs a fraction of the 007 and has significantly higher resolution and DR, though....
iudex: The thing that I noticed right after the new body design was the lens: this classic/oldschool design does not match to the modern body design at all. I think the combo would look much better it the lens barrel was designed in the same way as the body, i.e. cleaner, simpler, without rubberized grip.
In this video, if you look on the shelf in the back, there appear to be red and pink zooms. When/whether these will be available is still a question, but it looks like they exist:
toomanycanons: I like the 20mp, built-in stabilization and the faux-no-AA-filter mode. Does Pentax have other cameras with this sensor? Only time will tell about the IQ and noise factor but...I like this camera!
Well, Pentax has been known for some time for getting better results out of commodity sensors than even the OEM does (see the K5 and K3), so it will be interesting to see how the images out of this cam compare to the Sony/Samsung equivalents.
Richard Murdey: K-50 is so much better in every possible respect that the K-S1 can only be described as being "for stupid people who don't know any better".
"so much better in every possible respect?"
K-50 Advantages: Weather sealing; more traditional design (a completely subjective advantage); -slightly- (~.5 FPS) better burst rate
K-S1 Advantages: switchable AA simulator; more modern higher res sensor; better processing engine; more streamlined interface; significantly smaller; significantly lighter; better video mode; FLUcard support; lower MSRP
Otherwise, their specs are basically identical.
Bzzzt, you lose
Rooru S: I'm curious about the sensor. I think this is the first time I have seen one of those 20Mpx modules with ISO102800.
FF would require a different body, since the K-3 one is too small to support it with IBIS.
If you check on some of the other, Pentax-centric sites, you will see that they have released images of color-matched versions of the kit-zoom, which match the body quite well and which will probably be the only lenses most target purchasers of this camera will ever own.
The white version of this camera, with matched lens, actually looks quite nice. If anything, the black and blue versions are probably the -least- attractive package they have! DPR presumably got a pre-production sample of the body, with a standard black kit lens, so you have the worst of both worlds.
Leave it to Leica to present a point and shoot with a horribly crippled interface, excruciatingly slow load time, middling image quality (have you looked at the supposedly "nuce" images attached to this article?) for something supposedly high-end, and poor ergonomics, and claim that it is revolutionary and merits a nearly $2k pricetag.
As usual, the Leica sycophants will drool all over it, but it's becoming increasingly sad to watch this once-proud company lift its leg to its own legacy. Unfortunately, a luxury price tag does not equal relevance in the digital age, and the technical and advantages they had in the film era which, while overstated, were at least real, simply aren't there any more.
Wow, completely unimpressive sample images (even in the handful where the photographer actually managed to hit the focus correctly). And while it's no Hasselblad Lunar, I don't get those who think this is a particularly attractive camera. If anything, the look is "Ikea" generic.
Yet somehow the cult of Leica will survive.
Peiasdf: Just checked out Pentax's lens line up and I cannot find a single fast normal prime. The cheapest "50mm" is 35mm f/2.4 at $180 while the fastest is 31mm f/1.8 at $1,000. Where is the cheap f/1.4~f/1.8?
Good cameras, weird ass lens line up.
The Pentax-FA 50mm 1.4 is generally available for around $300 new in box. Don't think it's still in production, though. A cheap 50mm 1.8 is also about to go into production under the Pentax-DA line at a MSRP of $250. The DA* 40mm 2.8 pancake is quite nice but is definitely a step up in the price bracket.
There are also tons of old k-mount fast primes, both manual and auto focus, and since Pentax is one of the few manufacturers that has committed to legacy compatibility, using them is quite painless.