oselimg: 42 million pixels and 50 million pixels respectively and more than 3K price tags some people still compare the jpeg engines. Internet forums have produced incredible amount of "experts"
I don't know anout you but in my collection ISO 6400 and more make EXTREMELY low procentage of shots. If you shoot at ISO 6400 and more all the time then that is a different story. But then I have to ask what the hell are you shooting ? And why don't you get some fast primes ?It looks like you are deliberately choosing worst case scenario to make your point !And NO, not 17.9 "at base ISO" look at the god damn real world gallery provided right here !http://www.dpreview.com/articles/3704287553/sony-alpha-7r-ii-real-world-samplesISO 800 shot is 17.9 megabytes. You are a sad person that needs to twist the facts and outright lie just to try and make his point !
I am not an expert. I just state my opinion. Problems with that ? Cry into your pillow.
@IllumidataNo need to blatantly lie about file sizes thank you. JPEGs come out between 10 and 13-14 megabyte.
@Summi Luchs, no there is absolutely no need for 42 or 50Mpix to shoot things I have mentioned. But many of us can't afford to have multiple cameras for different occasions so I buy one and that one has to shoot everything. Be it animals, landscapes, portraits, architecture, cityscapes or things I mentioned in my previous post. So a good JPEG is of importance to me and I would guess to many others as well.
So on your planet with high resolutions sensors one should ALWAYS use RAW and develop on the computer ?Well you see on Earth, sometimes we like to do snapshots, or we just don't want to sitt in front of a computer, or we just shoot kids and friends or family or our pets and so on and so on. For those moments one needs a good JPEG engine. And especially since these cameras are not really cheap there is even more reason to demand perfection. Even in JPEG engines. Don't come to our planet please.
mandophoto: Interesting how big and heavy these new fast, quality lenses are getting. Even Sony/ZEISS E mount large aperture lenses are big. Only Leica seems to build - albeit expensive - reasonable sized f1.4 lenses, at least for the M cameras. I guess digital quality demands are pushing these specifications.
You did NOT say anything about the price nor weight, we were talking about best and smallest lens!? So why the whining now ?You want perfect corners ? 50mm F0.95 Noctilux-M.You really should give up now since you just made fool out of yourself on MANY levels.Continue with grazing.
Try Leica 50mm F1 Noctilux-M.
@matthewLeica makes one of if not THE sharpest lenses on the planet. And they are small. Reason is lack of AF/IS and rangefinder design. Nothing else.
Dmpreciado: I love all the samsung haters posting in this thread. I dropped 3k to buy the new NX1 with 16-50 premium lens. It outshines and surpasses everything out there right now. Besides the video portion and ibis this thing is a beast. Y'all are just sour puss about not being able to afford the maserati of cameras.
PS cameras are like a box of chocolates. Nevermind no analogies. Samsung nx1 is number 1 right now and guess what? It'll be bumped out of that when a different company whether it be canon nikon sony eventually comes out with an overall better camera. Let it bask in its glory for a little it deserves it. And for all those complaining it's not a sony and low light video blah blah blah what the heck are you filming? Dirty home vids?
It's the only way. If dumb people understood rationale they would not be classified as dumb to begin with. Makes sense now ?You can't teach a dog differential analysis, you can teach it to fetch and sit ans some other stuff they have a limit. A hard one.
@jaxsonI shoot sports, BIF and action and as you can understand NOWHERE in that is flash a possibility. So FF gives me ISO and shutter speeds APS-C shooters can still only dream about without massive amounts of noise. So no I am not a "sheep" nor did I fall for advertising. If I was shooting studio/landscape I would maybe go different route. And at last I was responding to a rather rude and dumb comment in only way those people understand, being rude and even dumber back.
jm5: $1799? I will go with sigma. Once that breaks I will buy a second sigma. Will the canon be sharper? Probably but who can really tell.
"Will the canon be sharper?"Most likely NO. Those ART are some extremely sharp lenses.
Leica builds manual focus lenses that don't have AF motor in them and that belong in 1950s. Also rangefinder lenses can be made smaller dut to them being...rangefinder lenses. Take a look at manual focus SLR primes from 70s. Very small compared to todays SLR lenses due to no AF motors and IS.
HowaboutRAW: Reichmann over at Luminous Landscape has a much more thorough first look at this camera.
He used it for something like 3 weeks.
He was a beta tester for this camera. His was not full production model though.
BobYIL: Typical Leica: 30 x 45mm sensor with 1 (one) AF point for $16.900? Hi Seal and Medvedev! How are you guys?
@BobYILAnd what do you think how MF cameras are used ? For BIF ? Sports ? Racing ?NO! These are used to 99.9% in studio or to shoot fashion. Nobody cares in those conditions "how many focus points it has"?Another one of DPR readers that loves to comment on things he has virtually no clue about.
3K ?And we are "sour puss" ?I am not. I rock fullframe. Your small sensor is just not big enough for me. And it was WAY cheaper than that midget sensor of your.
Sports Dad: DPReview needs to update their review. The current one is obsolete.
15 FPS while focusing now better than before. It truly is much improved over something that was already good.
For $1297 (Amazon) there is nothing close to this full-featured wonder. Real-life IQ is as good as any APS-C camera, and for practical use IQ rivals FF cameras like the A7 and A7ii. It also has 4K video unlike any APS-C camera, 120 FPS 1080p video while focusing, 15 FPS, and more.Now it has IBIS for video that works with any lens as well as in conjunction with in-lies IBIS.Say what you want, but for the price, nothing on the market competes with it. btw, low light video is exceptional IF you turn down the over aggressive NR and sharpening (it gets ugly if you don't). Plus with IBIS those inexpensive F/1.4 and F/1.2 legacy lenses can be used handheld. :)
This is not IBIS. This is DIGITAL IS. Difference is amazing. Are you one of those that believes every commercial ad ? If there was not a huge difference between real IS and digital one nobody would bother to develop cameras with real IS in order to save money and time. THINK before you post.
watson076: I really like the review. It's refreshing to see a reviewer look at a camera from an "experience" point of view instead of simply ranking it based on technical specifications. I think we are hung up on charts and graphs these days and have really lost site of the "art" of photography. Some of the best camera's I have ever owned didn't rank high on DXO and that's because no scientific measurement can really capture what truly counts: real world experience.
Well said and i agree to 100%
Gary Dean Mercer Clark: The red skin tones don't look natural. Using wide angle lenses for portraits doesn't produce the pleasant perspective that normal to telephoto range lenses provide. Can't believe these are the real life examples you chose to represent this lens/camera combination.
No, you only showed us how small world you are living in and that you really don't know photography since you only think that things you do are important.As i wrote above, READ a newspaper and look at the pictures. Tell me what are majority of focal lengths used in publications like those. You can then go back to being ashamed of showing your ignorance to everybody here.
Gary never heard of photojournalists or people that shoot documentary photos obviously. Nor did he ever read a newspaper either and seen pictures in it. It is amazing how many people think that they are THE center of the universe and if they don't do something nobody should.and apparently red sunsets are unnatural too :-)
And then they wonder why people will pirate their software....?There are a lot of good programs out there, one can choose to be held hostage by Adobe or to learn something new. I chose new option and I never looked back nor will I ever again have anything with Adobe name on my computer. Even Adobe Reader went out :)