X-E1 - like camera with articulated touch screen, better viewfinder, dedicated ISO wheel.
16MP fits perfectly with my computer and storage (12 or 14MP would do too) APS-C is the eprfect trade off between control over DOF and lens size. The X-E1 is almost there.
No WIFI, GPS or bluetooth please. Less electronics = better.
Imagefoundry: seeing how people here are requesting FF Xpro2, I feel like I need to stand up and be counted:
please do NOT introduce a new full-frame system.
it will dilute the brand recognition that Fuji achieved with X-pro / X-e1 series, push up prices, slow down R&D and introduction of further XF-mount lenses and X-trans sensor derivatives, etc. etc. Not to mention all the disenfranchised Xpro1/Xe1 owners.
In my humble opinion APS-C is in a sweet spot (ie. quality/performance/price) right now and is likely to stay there for many years to come. I understand the lure of brand extension but historically it hadn't worked all that well for most companies that tried.
@57even: all cameras have portability too. That didn't strike you as meaningless because it couldn't help you show off your truly STAGGERING knowledge of all things photographical and your somehow closely related urge to find people to put down.
Sheesh. Of course I meant CONTROL OVER DOF - being able to create a very blurred background, a very thin plane in focus. "Bokeh" if you llike.
The sweet spot of APS-C for has more to do with lens size and focal length (the 'crop factor'). Camera manufacturers will continue to make bodies smaller and sensors cheaper but they'll always have to contend woth the laws of physics when designing lenses. So in the end the choice between APS-C and FF will be the choice between portability and DOF.
mcm49: I'm looking forward to the X-E1 making it onto the shelves so I can hold it and play with it in real time. I'm very intrigued by what the camera appears on paper to be able to achieve, and all at a $999 body-only starting price point, which ups the intrigue ten-fold. I'll probably even let go of enough cash to buy it along with the 35mm f/1.4 lens so I can take it out and give it a real world spin in various challenging environments to see what it can really do, and then I'll decide if its a keeper or just a step along the way of evaluationg new camera technology. Right now I have to say, I think it will be a keeper -- but we'll see soon enough...
Maybe it's better to not expect anything from those Behemoths in as to after sales service. Just use their stuff and if short on luck, take your loss. That sucks, sure but it's how it is I guess. Being locked-in is just a question of $$$. Have so-so experiences with Canon and don't expect Fuji to be any better.
spontaneousservices: Camera looks like it has it all, and it almost does. OMG!!! And the looks aren't too shabby either. It's just two things short of perfect: a tilt / swivel screen (i'm now used to one and don't look forward to having to do without one), and a dedicated ISO wheel. Why on earth are these designers still stuck in the last century when it comes to setting the signal amplification? As if you're changing rolls of film. Really. Why isn't it treated like it is: the third exposure parameter, together with aperture and speed. So we have an aperture ring on the lens (great!), a shutter wheel op the top plate (fantastic!) but for ISO: press button -> look at screen -> turn wheel-> press button -> re-enter the outside world. I've been asking this 6 years ago, and am really disheartened to still have to bring it up. Oh well. Maybe wait for the X-E2.
yes, ISO on the +/- wheel, would that be possible with the X-E1? Would be good enough for the M-shooters. Especially is you see the ISO value change in the VF as yourpess the buttons. People using any of the auto exposures (P, A, S) would use auto ISO too, I assume.
mcm49: Also, everyone is saying Fuji's RAW format is useless because no post precessor supports it. And, history tells us when a sensor company tries to create their own RAW post processor, it hasn't flown very well. But, the Fuji in-camera RAW processor can be programmed to produce what the artist wants from their work, so this will be a very intriguing experiment to see how that pans out in comparison to the third party RAW post processors. On first guess, I'd say it won't compare equally or close enough to be lauded as a solution, but perhaps with the new JPEG engine in the X-series Fuji's, in camera RAW processing may not be shabby at all. It's exciting to see how it will all pan out...
I'm not even sure you're a real person, not some algorithm following random people around the internet. @mcm49, Lightroom / PS would support the X-E1, wouldn't it? That's all I'd need anyway ; -)
Like the plague, why? Sheesh. Isn't it smarter to judge each product on its own merits? I'm sure I couldn't use 99% of ANY brand's products. As to the Nex, I'm fairly happy with most of the camera. Couldn't wish for more in the image quality and pocketability departments. It's just the 'touch and feel' that can be vastly improved, as well as some interface issues. They're minor irritants - minor but constant, so they do add up.
Same here. Just the body and the 35 would do, for now. I hope the viewfinder is wide and bright enough to give me a thorough "wow"-feeling. It'll have to be significantly better than the thingy I bought for my NEX 5n or I'll have to keep making do for another camera-generation.Very curious indeed! (I long so hard for something that'll deliver me from that NEX ;-))
In short: Fn-buttons are nice but not for something that I want to change as often as ISO. And since I don't shoot film anymore, that's quite often.
You wouldn't want your shutter speed behind an Fn-button either, would you?
Well exactly, it IS an advantage to be able to change the ISO on the fly. A HUGE advantage. So why bury it beneath a Fn-button? I constantly make those calculations you talk about (I do almost everything in M) but because changing ISO is just a little slower, a little more involved, more often than not I change the shutter speed when a different ISo would be more fitting.
Say you've taken some shots at 800 ISO and 1/125th and the clouds get thinner, and you want to keep the same DOF. instinctively you reach for the shutter dial instead of digging into the camera to change the ISO. Anyone would much prefer leaving shutter and aperture the same and dial teh ISO down as much as needed - only to go up with the shutter speed after hitting base ISO.
If the ISO-wheel has nice distinct clicks between the stops you'd be able to change it without taking your eye off the subject.
dfstarman: No touch screen and screen is fixed
The touch screen gets a lot of use on my NEX 5n, to pinpoint where I want the autofocus to lock on. It's much quicker than a joystick so yes it's a novelty and yes it's a great one too. Dont know how I would use it in combination with a viewfinder though. If the VF is nice enough you'd want to use a joystick for the AF point. But the tilt will be sorely missed by many!
lucavascon: Tripod socket off axis, unaccessible battery and card compartments when you have tripod release plate on. Probably no tethering. at least it has an electric cable releaseI'd not EVER consider buying this camera, despite otherwise technically appealing and absolutely interesting.But these small things are SO extensively important to me, for my way of shooting , my reasons to buy a mirrorless, etcetera that I give up. Mybe you think they are stupid things, for me and my own small nyche these are the basics, that should be given for granted
well, I see the point in it being irritating to have to unscrew the tripod plate to get to the SD card. Even for consumers: shooting items to put on ebay for instance, you'd use a tripod (I hope). Take out the card, process the pics, notice something to be improved, put the card back in, re-attach the base plate... Not a biggie but definitely a minor nuisance.
Camera looks like it has it all, and it almost does. OMG!!! And the looks aren't too shabby either. It's just two things short of perfect: a tilt / swivel screen (i'm now used to one and don't look forward to having to do without one), and a dedicated ISO wheel. Why on earth are these designers still stuck in the last century when it comes to setting the signal amplification? As if you're changing rolls of film. Really. Why isn't it treated like it is: the third exposure parameter, together with aperture and speed. So we have an aperture ring on the lens (great!), a shutter wheel op the top plate (fantastic!) but for ISO: press button -> look at screen -> turn wheel-> press button -> re-enter the outside world. I've been asking this 6 years ago, and am really disheartened to still have to bring it up. Oh well. Maybe wait for the X-E2.
sdyue: m43: 75mm F/1.8 = 75/1.8 = 41.67mm aperture diameter (DOF equivalency)FF FOV+DOF equivalency: 150mm F/3.6
F-value 'light value' being all the same for... just 'light value' alone (applies to any system; a given)(duh, of course)
nice... slowly, but surely, lenses are coming along, better late, than never.i'm sure every new combination of faster Xmm f/x.x is welcome, prime or zoom.
meanwhile, still waiting for a m43 12mm f/0.7... flat prime
f/2.0 is 'okay', so, why not f/0.7? (and compact too?)
or a m43 12-35mm f/1.4... compact zoom
f/2.8 is 'okay', so, why not f/1.4? (and compact too?)
still... waiting... (before i celebrate m43 'arriving'...)
unless someone offers a integrated digicam prime or zoom with the same FOV + aperture diameter specs first... (or just as unlikely?)
and at such high prices... as limited spec so far, an indulgence for those with money to burn...
must be nice to have an income (a well paid job):D
"or a m43 12-35mm f/1.4... compact zoom"
HAHAHA!!! What have you been smoking?
Wow, it looks so... fake! Worse than the revamped VW 'beetle' of a couple of years back. Ugh.
Francis Carver: So glad to see that SLR MAGIC of Hong Kong continues to deliver quality metal-barrel products at plastic lens prices. Also glad to see that their lenses are pro-style manual focus -- they are not designing optics for the AF amateurs, apparently.
Their lenses should all come with at least 2-3 different lens mounts, however, not just one. Like, what about the same 23mm or 35mm lens with a M4/3 mount?
Currently I use my NEX5n with old Nikon lenses, MF. Love it! But I wouldn't take it to a paid photo job. Guess I'm waiting for a sturdy NEX 16-60/2.8 with an AF that's better than my Canon L-lenses.
Close - incredibly close - but still no cigar.
It lacks a really good viewfinder (presonally I'm dreaming of a 100%, 1x magnifying electronic, large and bright as a Leica M3) Strange how Fuji leave this out where with the X100 they go to such lengths to compete (and really make a killing) in the VF-arena.And when will any camera brand will finally - finally!!! - get us manual-everything-shooters a dedicated ISO adjustment wheel?
The manual zoom is adorable, though. I can only hope the wide ribbed ring is for focusing.
spontaneousservices: f1.8 sounds nicer than it is, for a 45mm "portrait" lens on 4/3. As you can see in the sample pics, even when close focused, background blur is hardly there. You'd have to go all the way to f1.2 or so to get real blur.
To me it looks like f4.0 on full frame, give or take half a stop. But yes, no hard or double edges in the blurry parts so that's good.