mediman30: Sony, it's time to rock the boat again, we are enjoying it...release the A9 soon! Yipeeee!!!!
"Still not what I said."
It was quoted verbatim. Eh.
This whole round in circles thing is pointless. You are not prepared to back up anything you say, so it is meaningless.
"And that is next to impossible."is ever so slightly different to:"easily find not great raws from this and other Sony A cameras"
It was your comment, if that's not what you meant that's fine.
"Then if I broke the above rule, I'd still be posting boring test shots, with people in them, and for the reasons of being boring and having unwitting models I'd not share."
Wouldn't it be 20 times faster just to post links to the images that you can "easily find not great raws from this and other Sony A cameras"? A picture is worth a 1000 words, after all. I suspect literally far more in this case.
"The D800/e is well known to have similar problems at higher ISOs. So that is absolutely the wrong example to cite, and means that don't pay much attention to this problem of washed out colour and Sony A cameras. Try the A7 versus the D610."
Given that the D800/e has *lossless* compression, but a similar problem, doesn't that mean that you are perhaps blaming the wrong cause here? Just perhaps?
"I didn't say anything about skin tones. Way to project."
You said the tests would have to have people in them to show the problem. Given that things people wear, sit on, use, etc couldn't show the problem (or you could just not have the privacy issue of people) - the skin, hair and eye colour is the only thing left. No projection.
You seem to not live up to your name then, HowaboutRAW. Maybe change it to NotsharingRAW?
Are you saying with the above that the RAW compression only effects images with skin tones in them?
"suffer" is a little overstated.
quezra: I like how the same people who love to bash Sony are nevertheless slavish in their attention to every move Sony does or doesn't make... jumping to comment on some very old news (all the lenses shown here are identical to those at Photokina last year).
Inasecurity perhaps? If they don't bash Sony, they fear Sony will take over? They don't seem to bash other brands with nearly the same gusto. What about bashing EOS-M or Nikon 1 or Samsung for their lackluster sales and systems? The difference appears to be that this is the one system that is threatening their beloved brand(s).
What's Samsung got to do with it? They don't have a full-frame camera.
Michael49: People keep complaining about the sizes of these lenses, but the way I see it for most outings all I need is the 28mm f/2, 35mm f/2.8 and the 55mm f/1.8 on the A7. Small enough for me, even when compared to my Fuji XE-1 kit.
I already own the 35 and the 55 - they are small enough and simply fantastic lenses. I only hope the 28mm f/2 is as good.
Eventually, I'll either add the 21mm adapter (if its decent) or keep using my Oly 21mm f/3.5 - which is tiny and very good.
Screw the E mount zooms, I agree that they are too large, but who needs them with such sweet and small primes!!
"I'd be happy if zeiss said, sorry the tiny 5mm motor has caused the lens to be 2.5 times bigger than it needs to be, would you care for a manual focus lens?"
They've already said that with the Loxia 35mm & 50mm, with more on the way.
Plastek: NX1 is seriously underwhelming considering all the hype around this camera.Lens is clearly crippling it, in terms of far corner sharpness even RX 100 mk III got higher resolution and less CA in RAWs, but even if you disregard this problem - it seems to produce some weird artefacts in blue and red colors.
Take a look here - all cameras got blue rings centered to the middle and NX1 got some weird ghosts centered to the top and left edge. Smells like Samsung is heavily cooking their RAWs.
I'd easily pick both: Pentax and Nikon over NX1. Both seem to retain more details in base and higher ISOs. Even with Pentax mushy reds in higher ISOs.
The drawing is the only area in the 50+ areas of the studio image where there is a comparison to be made really. Text and detail all through the image shows a distinct advantage to the A7ii, which is not surprising or even noteworthy given that it's full frame vs APS-C. In other areas the NX1 has advantages (FPS, ergonomics maybe), but straight image quality, nope.
"But I do see the NX1 out resolve all the APSC sensor."
Then it's not surprising you don't see the other. You must be looking at different images, because you also say:
"The NX1 also has better resolution than the Sony A7II sensor at iso3200 except at the extreme edge"
which is clearly not the case.
Support the brand of gear you like, but there is no reason to make stuff up.
tbcass: The danger of these studio shots is it cannot recreate all the possible environmental situations a camera will be used in. It also completely ignores ergonomis and speed. Too many people use these studio scenes as the sole basis of purchasing a camera, a huge mistake IMO.
I think you are describing a danger that doesn't actually exist. I haven't met anyone in the real world, or in the forums here or on any other site that I think would do what you describe above. It's just not what actually happens.
Morpho Hunter: Presumably, in return for the superb IBIS, Olympus will get a superb sensor for the E-M5 replacement from Sony....?
" I know let's sabotage our whole launch of a new product range with 'bad' ergonomics so that people will REALLY love the second gen..."
It's not without precedent.
The Bible - The Prodigal Son
Henry IV Part 1 - Prince Harry
By how much better than my word I am, By so much shall I falsify men’s hopes; And like bright metal on a sullen ground, My reformation, glitt’ring o’er my fault, Shall show more goodly and attract more eyes Than that which hath no foil to set it off. I’ll so offend to make offence a skill, Redeeming time when men think least I will.
Maybe Europe is finally starting to influence Japanese culture?
"I might suggest" ... They just listened to the wrong guy on the design team, and now he's been outvoted.
"The 5-axis IBIS tech is kinda old already"
How many axes do you need?
Lee W: This is the death of the compact...
Nah, they'll end up just buying Sony sensors in the end, and then the innovation will slow.
mpgxsvcd: I can’t think of two fundamentally different devices than a phone and a camera. Yet we still find a way to make them one and the same.
Confucius say, phones are just cameras that send electrical pictures of your words.
j900: Hmmm. I paid for the upgrade this time, but for the first time I start to feel that the price is too high given the obvious lack of innovation.
Clearview does not work much better than a local contrast enhancement using USM or the Lightroom clarity slider.
Perspective is now a paying add-on while it used to be free. OK basic features are still free but the marketing strategy of $$ add-ons on a software that you already pay for has a name, and that name is greed, Mr. DxO.
Truth is, Dxo is more and more about marketing and less and less about innovation. The days are long gone where they used to innovate with tools such as Lighting.
The day they sell an unsharp mask filter as a "detailizer" I guess I'll stop being interested.
It's photographing themselves into a corner really, given the lack of local adjustment tools. While Lightroom isn't my bag, and Aperture is EOL, the most recent version of Capture One is really starting to shine. And Optics Pro 10 seems to be about as crash-prone as C1 v8 on my machine, so it doesn't even get those points.
That said, the integration of FilmPack & ViewPoint is very nicely done (as in previous versions), Clearview does seem very effective, and the interface is very smooth. I do feel at home in Optics Pro, just wish they'd take it that next step with local adjustments (brushes, heal/clone, etc)
What processes do others currently use to correct atmospheric haze in existing tools?
Wait, the perspective correction tools are no longer in the base product? That is ridiculous.
TN Args: Richard Franiec must have a cosy relationship with someone in dpr.
"but they get special mentions in DPR posts that are way out of proportion to their share of the accessory supply industry"
Like everything Leica releases you mean?
Richard's grips get mentioned because they are quality, well-supported products that work. I have had several, none have come off, and all did their job beautifully.