dstate1: To summarize nearly every post on Dpreview.com since commenting began:
"My favorite camera is the best one and everyone who thinks otherwise is a total idiot. "
Sorry, but you've missed the other half:
"This camera is the same brand as my favourite camera so it's better than your favourite brand of camera. My brand made the XYZ1 camera in 1978, so they know how to make great cameras."
Csaba Farkas: That Viso is cumbersome but DOES look like the old Visoflex mirror houses! Nice design touch. Other than that, I don't see any point in the X2.Fuji x100 is way more innovative and closer to the Leica spirit, it being something of a rangefinder.230K LCD is not a big deal on the M9, enough for a quick chimp check of focus, composition, histogram. But when it is THE interface to focus, compose and control – it really is an insult.As much as I love, use and pamper my Leica babies, this one is a laugh.The strong point of a non-rangefinder compact camera is ZOOOOOM! Versatility. You don't shoot Vanity Fair covers with it.My two cents for a usable Leica compact:- Tri-Elmar lens, f2.8 all the way or at worst f2.8-4; equiv. focal length 24-35-50mm or 28-50-90-Fast, accurate AF- Macro maybe not but close focus to 0.3m- Decent hybrid optical finder with three-step magnification, parallax bright lines + switchable live view (External finders suck!)- APS-C sensor- Very simple menu
"Tri-Elmar lens, f2.8 all the way or at worst f2.8-4; equiv. focal length 24-35-50mm". 100% agreed, that would be perfect.
ntsan: No one bothered by the fact it got 230K LCD screen? I thought it went extinct few years ago, that is a huge downgrade from previous 920K LCD
It depends on your usage of it. A 920K screen you can't see isn't as good as a 230K screen that you can.
zos xavius: I gotta admit it. Maybe a sony fanboy can clue me in. Why pick slt over dslr? Most of us want an ovf. I've used evfs and even when the refresh rate keeps up they feel slow. Also most evfs only give you what was shot during burst, making leading a moving target almost impossible. With a mirror it at least gives you a glimpse of the next frame. Then there is the 20% light loss. That's huge. Also there is the fact that fine details are lost at roughly 5-10%. This combined with an aa filter an bayer array doesn't really help image quality does it? Also does dust just collect on the mirror? At least my camera shakes dust from the sensor. I still have to clean every few months, but it helps a lot. I mean I change lenses all the time in outside conditions. Usually I have little choice. If there was just a mirror there it would be a mess. My mirror is a mess as it is and my focusing screen looks pretty awful, but my sensor is pretty clean. That says a lot. Mirror boxes get filthy. I saw shots with the mirror pulled and they were clearly sharper, and the article was written by a sony fan, so it doesn't seem like he wanted to fake it to smear sony. It just has so many drawbacks. The only thing it gains for all the compromises is phase detection. Surely you could implement phase detection a bit more gracefully. What gets me is that it still uses a mirror but has no ovf. That just seems kind of...well...odd.... Someone tell me what I'm missing. It seems like slt is the future for sony in the dslr space. I would much rather see them do more cameras like the a900. I'm no sony fan, I'm just trying to get why they would bet so much on a design that offers few advantages over a traditional dslr. Are they that convinced that evf is superior or that's what they think the market wants? I shoot pentax and the k-01 as odd as it is, makes more sense than slt. Isn't that funny? A k-01 with an evf would be superior to this except that it wouldn't have phase detection, but contrast detection is catching up fast. Look at the olympus om-d or the panny g3. They are just poor at panning with moving objects. To me that's a software problem. Cdaf will certainly pass pdaf by in the long run. So if you ask me in 5 years this whole system will seem kind of pointless. Am I wrong? I'm not trolling or anything. I've read a lot about slt to try to understand why anyone would find it superior. Maybe I'm just too much of a traditionalist. I like innovation, but only when it comes with real benefits.
Plus, the viewfinder size is significantly larger in the SLT range vs those in comparable budget cameras.
No moving mirror means no mirror-slap, so details will likely end up similar at slower shutter speeds. Less shutter lag. Quieter. Your approximations for light and details lost are kind of high. Quality constant autofocus and tracking in video. The mirror on the SLT doesn't get as dirty as a traditional mirrorbox, as it doesn't move. Inbody stabilization works really well too, just as on Pentax bodies. I'm not saying you are totally wrong, but I find it to be a good compromise, and I'm happy with my output from my SLT. I think it will move a step forward in years to come, once the obsession with having an AA filter is gone, or Sony implement their organic-based sensor tech. Maybe the K-01 makes sense to you because you have a bunch of Pentax lenses?
If you think the viewfinderless K-01 makes more sense than any camera, there's not really much to say.
RichardAB: It's concerning that in dpreview's "Buyer's Guide: Enthusiast raw-shooting compact cameras" of December 15, 2011 in the recommendations section it singled out the Fujifilm X10 for its 'image quality'.
I know the Nikon P7100 well, having used it for 7 months so left comments about mistakes in their review of that camera.
I feel particular sympathy for anyone who purchased an X10 on the basis of dpreview's image quality recommendation, having put their trust in dpreview, and wonder if dpreview feels any responsibility?
"Reading what you have quoted must lead anyone to question why it was your pick - exactly my point."
Err, because taking into account all the other image quality factors he thought it had better IQ? It's not rocket surgery.
vahitism: I have 3 things to say.1. I have been visiting (not contributing) dpreview forums and reviews for years and always have been irritated by those who turn arguments to personal discussions. I can't ask for this to stop, but wouldn't hurt me to hope everyone get along since we all share the same passion.2.I own(ed) from large format to p&s all types of cameras and never loved a camera brand so much to be supporting them all the way. All companies have flaws mistakes. Fuji Japan made a mistake by answering to orb problem as it isn't, IS a mistake, in my opinion. 3. I own a Fuji x10. I am not bothered by the white orbs, but definitely will do a sensor swap if Fuji may do it in the future. A dead pixel would bother me as much. I expected the x10 to show a flaw. No one should settle with a mis-advertised product. x10 may be cheaper or more expensive than competitors. What matters to me is not the price I paid, but is the advertisement. x10 does everything else perfectly in most conditions.
"I have been visiting (not contributing) dpreview forums and reviews for years and always have been irritated by those who turn arguments to personal discussions."
Pfft, how typical of *you* to say that. :-P
iflash: Gone off Fuji lately - white orbs, crappy AF, shutter chatter.... and so on. When they put out a bug free, realistically priced camera, I'll take them a lot more seriously. After all this is what they purport to do for a living. The X10, X100 and x Pro 1 are all beset by problems that should have been debugged in-house before release. Most of the Fuji postings on DP are about issues that should never have existed. So, Mr Fuji, I have looked, liked a lot of what I saw, but I'm off to spend my $2,000 on a Nikon kit.
Come on now, have some perspective. It's not "didn't move", it's more like "sometimes the indicator went on by itself" or "the radio went on and off".
meanwhile: The field blur can be done far better, and easier, with other existing tools (just got a much better/natural result with brushing the blur in Aperture in a few minutes with that image for example, and I'm sure Lightroom would be similar). I think even Ps layers/masks and the existing blur tools would give easier and better results.
(Of course it's better to have a fast lens, that's a given, and not really worth mentioning ...)
The field blur can be done far better, and easier, with other existing tools (just got a much better/natural result with brushing the blur in Aperture in a few minutes with that image for example, and I'm sure Lightroom would be similar). I think even Ps layers/masks and the existing blur tools would give easier and better results.
Mark Devine: "The tripod mount is slightly offset from the lens axis. On the left is the latch for the sealed batter compartment."Would that be waffle batter or pancake batter? ;-)
They do have, it was just setup as email@example.com.
KevinD65: Of course Fuji should address the issue, but I don't think they should hang their heads in shame. This is a great little camera and Fuji should be proud of it.
Is it defective? Well, depends how you look at it. No camera is perfect, just read dpreview's conclusions for any random camera. Every camera has flaws, be they build quality, mechanical failures, ergonomic issues, AF problems, color rendering, whatever. I remember when I bought my Nikon D200 and everyone was up in arms about the banding issue.
I bought the X10 because I wanted a camera that would fit comfortably in a belt holster for hiking, give me plenty of manual controls, and let me attach filters. I love the retro styling, the manual zoom ring, the way it feels in my hands, and for me the IQ is equal to or better than my D200 for like 1/10 of the size and weight. I'm not too worried about the orbs, and if I run into them I'll figure out a way of dealing with them.
What model number is the $100 camera you speak of?
chris00nj: Ninja checks pulse of guy whose neck he just snapped. What is so special about that?
While it would be extremely special as I don't believe you'll find many photos of ninjas, especially in action, that's in pretty poor taste.
Francis Carver: "This allows a host of accessories to be added to the camera, including stereo microphones, macro light LEDs or the PENPal bluetooth transmitter."
Super. One.... or the other.... or the third. Just not 2 or 3 at the same time. I hope others won't pick up this nifty Oly trick. :-((
You are sinking to a new low with this set of posts Francis. And that is actually quite hard to do.
meanwhile: Hmm. If I see a chair I like in furniture store, and then come home and build one just like it so I don't have to pay for the original, am I infringing on their copyright?
Does that change if the day before I tried to take the chair out of the store, but was stopped by the staff?
Or if I was there with a friend, and they said they were interested in buying the chair, and I said "Don't worry, I'll build you one the same for less", is that infringing on their copyright?
And if I make the chair slightly different, so as to try and *not* infringe on their copyright, but it still is the same style, has the same number of legs, is a similar shape, has similar fabric and seat padding, is the same height and width, does that change whether or not I'm infringing?
I think what we really need is a w***er / d***head law. Then Nick could have been fined for being a d***head for not paying for the original, and/or Justin could have been fined for being a w***er for taking it to court. And we could have left the copyright law alone.
Hmm. If I see a chair I like in furniture store, and then come home and build one just like it so I don't have to pay for the original, am I infringing on their copyright?
Michael J Davis: It seems to me that there are two principles involved:-
1. The infringement occurs because the photographer *set out* to produce a similar image, i.e. effectively to copy the first. In that the judgement is fair.
2. The judge referred to the similarities quoting Schindler's List as a prior example of spot colour. Now copyright is NOT Patent Law, but in the latter, it is possible to quote 'prior art' as an example to object to a patent. Well, many of us were doing 'spot colour' before Schindler's List; and I would have thought that was a contra-argument against the infringement in this case.
I have to say that I'm in agreement with Jane Lambert in her analysis. And we need to be. Ideas are great and I'm happy to credit those who inspire me for their prior art; but I'm still wanting to follow them until I can produce my own original stuff!
Will there be an appeal, I wonder?
"5. The sky that was digitally removed"
What if I just blew the highlights on a bright day? Do I have to add the sky back in from another picture?
QuentinUK: A red bus or a red telephone box in London with the rest monochrome is an old cliche. (pun). I can find hundreds of such images on the web:-.
Red bus + big ben B&W. http://www.maidenhead.cc/bin/view/Main/CompImages2009to10A
London Bus by Ingrid Gledhill (2009)
Careful, you'll give Justin more people to sue.