Denton Taylor: I don't get this. The 580EXii, to which this is compared, is a discontinued item. So you really have to compare it to the 600EX-RT. The 600EX-RT is currently selling for $550 USD, and has sold in the past for $500. So why would you even consider buying this thing with a radio control and all its failings for $400? If you insist on buying cheap sh*t, may as well buy the Yongnuo YN-E3-R controller for $130 and either buy Canon 600EX, or wait for the Yongnuo equivalents which should be out soon.
I don't get this. The article you are commenting on has just described in detail how this product is not "cheap sh*t". Did you read it?
Alain Laboile: Thanks all for your comments, some of them are really... interesting.
Wonderful shots Alain. I enjoyed #13 especially.
Houseqatz: being able to REALLY edit the images from a camera phone is a dream come true. it's not always practical to carry around a dslr, but i always have my phone on me. the 1020 is the best solution for my needs, mostly taking notes, and quick snaps, and when i want more, it delivers.
i have yet to use a camera phone that is as capable in the image department, or whose output affords as much editing latitude. i know that the 808 is supposed to outperform the 1020, but i have never seen one in the wild.
Read that first sentence again HowaboutRAW - "from" a camera phone, not "on" a camera phone.
9 pictures and not one of someone actually *gripping* the camera?
What is the story with the double images? The first ones of the set look sharper and seem to have higher DR (or at least better color). What is the difference in processing/process between the two?
meanwhile: For photos, this is only step one for the S120. It also shoots RAW. The quality difference of the RAW vs JPEG on the S series cameras can be significant (not always, but can be). Especially if you are looking to get details out of blown highlights or deep shadows, sharpen during demosaicing, or need to adjust white balance.
Any chance of adding the RAWs too?
If the Nokia RAWs aren't supported by your workflow (Lightroom, Aperture, etc) that makes it less versatile or useful though.
For photos, this is only step one for the S120. It also shoots RAW. The quality difference of the RAW vs JPEG on the S series cameras can be significant (not always, but can be). Especially if you are looking to get details out of blown highlights or deep shadows, sharpen during demosaicing, or need to adjust white balance.
bigdaddave: A lovely bit of fun, but I hope this isn't being taken seriously as an 'artistic' project
Meh, art can be fun too.
Are those samples almost all underexposed by the camera? (pre-production, so kinda forgivable)
Camp Freddy: A pretty ugly concoction, but somehow Olympus ( and Sony therefore as major share holder) are committed to a superzoom and retro PEN / OM styling.|Better off doing an mFT 16mpx chip with a non interchangeable 24-120 collapsing zoom for around the 700 USD mark IMHO. Let Fuji amd Panny fight it out with Nikon following soon after in the superzoom sector.
"When it was $500-NO. This camera is overpriced."
I have an XZ-1. Low light performance is worse, controls are worse, no EVF, almost 3 times less reach, and lens slower on the long end. How is this camera not worth the price of admission when compared to that?
"XZ-1 is now $245. Reasonable acquisition."
Sure, but if you only buy 3 year old cameras at that price, the company goes broke and doesn't make any more.
IchiroCameraGuy: I looked at this Note 3 when picking new phone a few weeks back...didn't seem enough of a difference between this and LG Optimus G Pro for the Sammy to be 3x the price.
If camera quality is at the top of the list then Nokia's best seems the choice.
Hmm, isn't it 3 times as hot?
RStyga: It cannot compete IQ-wise with the other DSLM manufacturers so is this what the marketing dept has come up with to save the day? Oh, well, some people will even call it "pioneering"...
Please show me the other rugged camera with this level of IQ at this price point.
Avid70: ... and all I dreamed of was bracketing and CLS compability. By the way Nikonos you could actually dive with. This is for shallow bathtubs...
You have a 20m deep bathtub? How long does it take to fill?
Wonderful. Something small, decent quality photos, and rugged. Festivals, concerts, parties, hiking, camping, beach, kids, etc, etc, etc. This is a good development.
Kim Letkeman: I would truly worry if a phone of any sort appealed to "photography enthusiasts" because -- although it can take an image -- it is not much of a photographic learning tool otherwise. On the other hand, I can see the appeal for "social networking enthusiasts" and press hounds ...
Composition and timing need work, thought, and practice, and are at least as important as any other elements of photography. I think you can learn a lot from images you take on a phone.
M DeNero: A constant f/4 with longer range would be better for this type of camera. Now you have two choices for a walk-around lens: a pathetically sluggish f/3.5-6.3; or a chunky, truncated f/2.8.
24-80mm is a pretty decent range for a walkaround, no?
cjhacker23: Sony always go 90 percent of the way to a great product and then stumble badly on that last 10 percent. Why, oh why, would you not allow for RAW recording or any manual control? This is an enthusiast device, for cripes sake! I had the thing on pre-order the moment it was available this morning and as soon as I read this, I cancelled it. And Sony's poor track record with firmware updates does not give me confidence that this oversight will be reconciled.
"For RAW they'd have to use the phone's processing power and storage system"
Not necessarily. They could shoot JPEG+RAW and store the RAWs on the card.
meanwhile: It's weird isn't it. Just when you think they get it, when you think that they are on the right path, and that the next thing that comes out will manage to tick all the boxes ... Samsung comes out with a $1600 beginners camera, and Sony with these.
Once the price comes down a bit I think they will upsell quite well to phone/tablet buyers (not that I think they will use them much after trying it for a while, but it may sell), but by then there might actually be products will folding optics that bring optical zoom to this market integrated in the product, and for far less.
That said ... why aren't there any products that have folding optics? You look at the rugged cameras, and the larger phones coming out ... why isn't anyone melding the two?
But I do agree with others that it's great to see innovation!
Dazed and Confused: How does it differ from using a GoPro Hero 3 and the free app for remote viewing, release, etc on any Amdroid or iOS device?
Surely the Sonys can't be that different, apart from the fact they come with a little clip to attach to your phone.