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Please show me the other rugged camera with this level of IQ at this price point.

You have a 20m deep bathtub? How long does it take to fill?

Wonderful. Something small, decent quality photos, and rugged. Festivals, concerts, parties, hiking, camping, beach, kids, etc, etc, etc. This is a good development.

Composition and timing need work, thought, and practice, and are at least as important as any other elements of photography. I think you can learn a lot from images you take on a phone.

24-80mm is a pretty decent range for a walkaround, no?

"For RAW they'd have to use the phone's processing power and storage system"

Not necessarily. They could shoot JPEG+RAW and store the RAWs on the card.

But I do agree with others that it's great to see innovation!

Image quality.

It's weird isn't it. Just when you think they get it, when you think that they are on the right path, and that the next thing that comes out will manage to tick all the boxes ... Samsung comes out...

It's weird isn't it. Just when you think they get it, when you think that they are on the right path, and that the next thing that comes out will manage to tick all the boxes ... Samsung comes out...

And now we see why this is running Windows. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23940171

"any amateur would have cropped/healed it out"

These guys aren't amateurs, that's why it's still there.

Gotta be a typo.

None of yours have a focused background and blurred foreground, how are they similar?

Only one of yours has a focused background and blurred foreground, how are they similar?

"but as it is now these look exactly like hundreds of bad vacation pictures that I have piled away in boxes or on my computer"

Can you please put together a set so we can see them?

"And there's always a lot of believers out there who don't know that good art is really rare"

I see a lot of people saying these can be seen as art, I don't see as many saying they are necessarily...

My point is - even though you don't see any merit in these images, you don't like them, and you don't value them, they managed to be evocative, to create connections to things in your life, to...

And you likely wouldn't have thought of that today without seeing these images. Isn't reliving that memory of some worth?

Looking back at the full size original ... http://2.static.img-dpreview.com/files/t/TS1600x1600~d5e029272bfc4744ab107671a05c2538 I really like the subtlety of it. It has a lovely tone, and the...