Sad Joe: Stunning work Canon ! At last (and about time) I as a Canon owner can get really excited. Now PLEASE bring out a cheapish decent full frame DSLR designed for photographers rather than Facebookers !
Don't be too quick to write off the 6D's WiFi and GPS as a "facebooker" feature. The WiFi tethered capture for studio work is awesome. As is the ability to do self-portraits, or shoot from unusual locations. The GPS is mostly a travel feature, but I could see some photojournalists making good use of it. The AF system is a little too basic for some, but for low light events it does the job very well.
thewhitehawk: That first picture almost made me spit coffee at the screen with laughter.
When it comes to this kind of application a smaller sensor with a high pixel density is often preferable to a large low density sensor. I wouldn't shoot pictures of people with a small sensor, but if I did telescoping, this is what I would want. It's still more portable, and far cheaper, than an 800mm lens. It looks odd only since we are used to the look of a camera. But, if you are used to the look of a scope, it doesn't really matter the size of what you put on the back - as long as it performs. And given the burst speed of the Nikon 1 series, I suspect it will perform great.
zodiacfml: Hmm, are these photos or jpegs straight from the camera? Some photos seem too good with correct white balance, color and contrast.
You know white balance, colour and contrast can all be changed in the camera? We forgot about those settings with the creation of great RAW processing software - but it's possible to create good in-camera jpegs with a bit of work.
Octane: I'm getting incredibly bored with the constant excuse of camera manufacturers say' This is only a preproduction sample, don't judge the image quality'. If it's not the final image quality, then why send the camera to the worlds LARGEST photography web site to have them post sample photos? Because the whole 'this is preproduction' is just a backdoor excuse.
Sony changed the RX1 slightly after the initial announcement. It does happen sometimes. However I'd bet it's very unlikely to change at this point; since for Canon to be selling these worldwide starting in December, they'll likely already have started building up stock - and there is a good chance this camera is from one of those initial runs. So unless they find some flaw in the production, the only things that is likely to change would be the firmware.
If at all possible, it would be great to see some RAW results. Although I realize that may not be possible yet given there may not be any RAW converters out for the camera at the moment.
MonteCarlo67: These samples look great! Really, very clean with great colors. In many ways this would be the perfect camera for me. Certainly some things held back from the 5D Mark III but most I can live with. Only one thing will keep me from buying it: The 1/4000th top shutter speed! Much like the Nikon D600, why in the heck would you cripple a $2,000+ camera by not having a top speed of 1/8000th?! Most people won't use such high speeds often. But many lesser cameras have it. No excuses for this!
It's harder to make a fast shutter for a full frame sensor; simply because there is more area to cover. The d600 and 6D likely have shutters with velocities just as fast as "lesser" APS-C cameras, but since they have a larger sensor to cover, they can't reach 1/8000. Full frame camera with 1/8000 shutters need higher speeds, and thus cost more.
DavesMan: Canon is crazy! Nearly same price (in numbers) i Dollars, Pounds and Euros??? These three currencies are not equal value! If US price i 1500 Dollars, then i should cost roughly 1200 Euros and 900 Pounds.
I wounder if this is Canon thinking some markets will pay more, or an effect of trade tariffs in Europe and the UK? Anyone who know's the import tax structure in those places and care to comment?
Jan Toude: Weather sealed compact system camera with good sensor (little channel crosstalk, high DR, high resolution, fast readout) and open application programming interface.
I second an open API!
kevindar: 5d3 with d800 sensor, shooting at 6ps full resolution, 8fps in dx format, on board flash with master funciton, spot meter linked to autofocus point.as my back up, a full frame nex, 16 mp, with a pancake 24-80 f 4 lens, and a couple of small fast primes.
Honestly I wouldn't need the 36MP, but getting a good Sony made sensor into the 5d3 would be awesome. And yes spot meter needs to be linked to the autofocus point. And frankly a better meeting system would be a nice addition as well.
As for flash, I'd prefer to see an on-board radio trigger. I never use on-board flash, but being able to trigger a few 600EX-RTs without something on the hot shoe would be nice.
My ideal camera would be/have:
* Mirrorless, and about the size and shape of the OM-D, with a hand grip.* Full frame sensor!* A good collections of fast primes (16mm, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm, 135mm) - with f/1.4 to f/2.0. I don't need Leica magic f/0.95.* Great EVF and LCD screen (i.e. high resolution, fast refresh rate, good color, large viewing area).* Fast auto focus (ideally some kind of phase detect on the sensor, like the V1 maybe).* No build-in flash, but a build-in radio trigger for off-camera flashes, and a hot shoe.* Weather sealed, and durable (ok if it's a little on the heavy size).* About 18-24MP - but really I don't care as long as it's more than 10MP.* High dynamic range.* 3 control dials (like the NEX-7), for ISO/Shutter/Aperture), and a few well placed custom buttons.* Mode dial with at least 2 custom settings.* WiFi and GPS optional, but nice to have.
I think a reasonable price would be $2000-$2500 for the body, and about $500 to $1200 for each lens.
Low Budget Dave: Could you do us a favor and let us know your opinion of the test results? I have been reading through the comments, and different people seem to interpret the results differently.
Yeah I also don't get what's taking Canon so long to get CDAF working. I love my Canon DSLR, but seriously they should have solved the CDAF problem by now - live view is basically not usable except for manual focusing or static subjects when you aren't on a time budget.
I do really hope it's a "when" not an "if" issue, but I'm losing hope that it'll come anytime soon...
Unless they pull something off for the EOS M in the next two months, I suspect they are going to get a lot of negative reviews (although that may finally make them wake up and realize it's important).
Area256: Admittedly I was disappointed at first. However, I was hoping for something in the enthusiast/pro range like the NEX-7, or X-Pro 1. Still this is way way better than Nikon's offering. And actually should be better in terms of image quality than most of the m4/3 offerings by the nature of it's larger sensor.
I think it's important to realize Canon is selling this camera to people who likely won't buy many lenses, and so won't care about the limited range at launch. Were as enthusiasts would be really put off by the lack of small EF-m lenses, and canon wouldn't sell as much if this was marketed as serious enthusiast camera. Once they have a better lens selection I suspect/hope they'll come out with something more enthusiast grade (add an extra control dial, EVF, mode dial, and it would be set).
However even having said that, there is a lot going for this as an enthusiast camera to complement a DSLR when you want something smaller and less intimidating to your subjects.
lol, yeah I'm not throwing a 70-200mm f/2.8 on that any time soon. That's what my DSLR is for. I'd be worried about snapping this thing in two :) My smaller primes would be going on this, but then that's all I would need for the types of photography I'd be using this for. Hopefully Canon comes out with small and fast 30mm and 50mm (equ ~50mm and 80mm) lenses for this camera. Than it will look like a more serious line up for enthusiasts. Still I'm glad they came out with the 22mm to start, that's a lens I could see using at least 70-80% of the time on this camera. Although the auto focus speed on that lens is worrying.
Admittedly I was disappointed at first. However, I was hoping for something in the enthusiast/pro range like the NEX-7, or X-Pro 1. Still this is way way better than Nikon's offering. And actually should be better in terms of image quality than most of the m4/3 offerings by the nature of it's larger sensor.
CNY_AP: I don't believe the conpiracy posts - Canon would love me to switch from SLR to this camera and buy all new lenses - duh. It's not as though Sony makes lenses for the M mount, nor even Sigma - I woudl HAVE to buy Canon lenses whereas for my Rebel SLR, I'm pretty happy with my 4 lenses and will rarely buy more. Obviously this isn't the last miirorles camera Canon will ever come out with, and the next will be higher end. The low end sells 10x more, just like Rebel versus other Canon SLRs, so of course that's what they came out with first.
The adapter won't add any extra crop. All it's doing is adding the space normally taken up by the mirror in current Canon DSLRs. Yes if you put a full frame lens on it you'll get a crop factor of 1.6 over their full potential, but that's no different than with the current APS-C DSLRs. This is in contrast to Nikon's 1 series which does only work with existing lenses at long distance due to its huge crop factor.
You can tell the image is stressed, but wow... that's ISO: 12800... I didn't think that was possible without far worse stress.