rfsIII: But does it have XLRs with phantom power? I just used a camera this weekend with a pair of them (and autofocus that let you adjust how quickly or slowly it would bring your subject into focus) and I don't think I can live without those two features anymore. There's a lot of tech that still needs to make its way from camcorders to mirrorless and DSLR.
You can attach the matching XLR-K2M XLR adapter with phantom power.
The Squire: I'd usual say 'what no 4k', but I get the impression Canon want these cameras to sell to the mid-market where 4K still scares manufacturers becuase 99% of their customers haven't got the hardware to play or edit it.
Canon Customer: "Hey, why's it taking so long to transfer my [2GB] video over bluetooth to my phone?"
Still hard to sell to those too when many of the phones (Galaxy S series since 2014, Note since 2013, iPhone since this year, etc.) sold to the same people do have 4K recording capabilities.
Boss of Sony: What is the point of a lens without AF in this day and age? AF is one of the functions most photographers need more than any other.
Video and some don't need AF for their needs, especially for wider lenses like these and with all the MF aids. Leaving it out helps reduce size too.
supeyugin1: Good move. Now Sony is free to close their mobile phone and camera departments, as those are not profitable.
They no longer do, but in several interviews and presentations they have shown the consumer ILC sales to be increasing and the professional video market to show a small declining trend.
km25: This is good. Not a Sony hater, but a front running sensor maker, not so good at making cameras.
Sony batteries are about half the weight of Canon ones. With 2 spares, you have the same or longer rated battery life than the longest lasting Canon body, despite running the sensor while framing. Thus weight differences due to batteries are minimal..., unless you use live view on your Canon or Nikon a lot for critical focus, in which case they last shorter on a single charge and need more spares than the Sony.
The EVF gives access to menus without having to take away your eye from the viewfinder, time saved too.
roustabout66: I would not feel very comfortable owning a Sony camera now. My understanding is that most of any profits generated were by sensors not cameras.
Their camera division shows the most growth in the industry (many others are actually shrinking). So reality already made such speculation rather unfounded.
xeriwthe: Not impressed, the LGG4 toasts this camera for low Iso detail.
I think the lens is just not as good as the best android Cameras these days.
I am still impressed with the quality of the LGG4
Not just larger sensors but also faster lenses. With these small sensors, up to 2/3 EV extra light can make a good difference too.
JeanPierre Thibaudeau: This should be good enough for most people, I mean not fussy gear addicts like us on this web site...
The good news is that the colours seem very accurate, very pleasing and not over saturated, like most cameras, straight out of the box.
There's actually pretty severe clipping in the red channel, see for example image 32 (IMG_1381.JPG), where the guy's face is turned into a even colored mess. It's also demonstrated in flower shots in galleries elsewhere, showing little to no detail left in red flowers.
I wouldn't call colors anywhere near accurate either, since daylight shots have the yellow veil seen in the previous iPhone images and videos too, probably in an attempt to fake golden hours in every daylight shot. These shots were mostly during the golden hours, which partially hides that flaw.
Those are not things only noticed by " fussy gear addicts", especially red channel clipping (read: loss of detail) is usually fairly obvious.
new boyz: So.. Canon can finally buy Sony sensor from a non-competitor company? I hope so. I would like to see more flavors of Sony sensor. Pentax flavor is the best for now.
Mwoah, even if we somehow decide that the ADC's aren't part of the sensors, around 50% QE vs 60-70% QE still isn't exactly the same.
Wake me up when Canon shows us mirrorless system cameras with a good viewfinder, or any viewfinder for that matter.
Just a Photographer: As far as I know their sensors have always been made by Sony Semiconductors . This announcement is purely made to hide the fact that Sony Digital Imaging might go on sale in late 2016 as was speculated about by a highly ranked Sony executive last year.
"The division will be carved away from Sony's devices group as part of a larger reorganization..."
Another press release that was put out to financial institutions:
"According to the financial data released today, Sony's Imaging division "sales decreased 2.0% year-on-year (a 16% decrease on a constant currency basis) to 741.2 billion yen (7,196 million U.S. dollars).
Sony is reporting that a continued decrease in sales of video cameras is to blame for the losses, and their still cameras aren't doing enough to stem the tide."
Even though Sony seems to be on the rise, they still look doomed as their camera's don't stick to the wall enough. This press release confirms that Sony Digital Imaging is not safe within the Sony group.
There were no speculations from "high ranked executives" last year regarding the sale of Imaging, in fact, Hirai specifically stated it wasn' t going to be sold. And a press release from a year and a half ago, during a time when all camera divisions were struggling worldwide. Look at the current numbers and recent statements. Doomed how again?
Camera department is profitable despite rapidly shrinking compact camera and camcorder markets as a whole.
AdamT: DXO thing wins best Mobile device ? DP review work with DXO in the reviews so expect this ludicrous choice on those grounds - there certainly isn`t any other reason why this joke of a thing should even be on the list
iOS is the smartphone platform and not the most popular one, being outnumbered between 4 and 5 to 1 by the Android smartphone platform.
I'm assuming you (Barney) were referring to specific iPhone models instead.
adengappasami: The battery life on this camera is super bad. U need atleast a couple of additional batteries to get over a day. Around 500 shots is where it will drop dead. Luckily i have a bunch of batteris from my Sony A7r
In "fancy crap" live view, that Nikon or Canon lasts shorter than the A7RII, even according to CIPA measurements and despite having larger batteries.
Valterj: Too expensive! What a pity!
4.000 € (body + zeiss lens) is too much...
Thorgrem has been bashing Sony mirrorless offerings for quite some time here and elsewhere, probably as part of a cognitive dissonance after his investment in micro 4/3. Making up stories about Sony's market share is just another sign of that.
40daystogo: Just so that Sony is made clear on how users feel:
-- I want a third option of: lossless, compressed RAW.
I would have preferred Sony relay this and done it properly, rather than giving us some half-hearted attempt to pacify upset users.
The problem is, now that Sony gives us a half-hearted fix, they might delay the lossless, compressed RAW for a long time, thinking that people are satisfied. We're not.
Sony, given the choice of compressed, lossless RAW, versus uncompressed, mega-big files - what sort of crazy person would want to massively large uncompressed files?
In fact, my LR imports and opens uncompressed files faster than compressed files of the same resolution.
six34sigma: Thanks for getting Sony to pay attention dpreview.
Now the question becomes if its uncompressed thats the file size change and does it change frame rate? Probably.
The article covers both points already.
Glenn Barber: I really appreciate DPReview stepping up and getting to the bottom of Sony's ambiguous announcement.
So one point this this does reinforce - is that this is not a camera for wildlife and similar where you need to shoot in raw to handle hi contrast and shadows and the ability to fire off quickly with a reasonably sized buffer.
That's a bit like saying Canon doesn't really offer cameras suitable for wildlife photographers shooting in contrasty/high DR scenes, for having about 2 stops less usable DR range than some Nikon cameras. I'm sure the majority of wildlife shooters (read: the Canon share) has something to say about that. ;-)
stevo23: I think we owe a round of thanks to Rishi and others at DPR as well. I seriously doubt Sony would have heard our voices if not for the articles and posts here at DPR.
Leave it to HAR to enter the fallacies again. There has been no resistance at Dpreview regarding possible image degradation due to the used compression scheme. In fact, Rishi also pointed those out on many occasions. It's the "washed out colors" claims of yours that saw resistance, since no proof has been presented or found for those and the actual artifacts caused by the compression are of a completely different kind.
ecka84: About the video. I think the "actual brightness with the naked eye" is closer to ISO 12800. Of course it all depends on the eye :).
Right, becauase dynamic (non static) scenes with large dynamic range exceeding what Canon sensors can cover with good quality, do not exist. Being able to capture more DR in a single frame is only useful to help correct user error.
That argument was already outdated 5 years ago.