Philippe R: Most people already have a camera brand, most likely Canon or Nikon, so why suggest so many Sony ? do they contribute more than the others to your site ?
False, most people don't have a system camera. Ignoring the rest of the fallacies in there for a second.
Ktrphoto: Is dpreview sponsored by Sony.
Mirrorless is NOT taking over ... at least not in the short term ... although that seems to be what bloggers and reviewers all over the Internet would like you to think, judging by the noise they make about it.
Instead of looking at % increase/decrease in sales look at the actual numbers of DSLRs and Mirrorless sales.
Exactly, to you. And since we all differ, it's probably fair to say that you can't discredit their conclusion, just because it doesn't reflect yours.
Kaso: "Best overall: Sony Alpha a7R II"
LOL. Rishi? Bring me more batteries!
Yes, the ratings between a camera with and one without flash can be misleading because of the CIPA protocols (flash every other shot iirc). But between two cameras both without flash and both FF, it's a good guideline for the same user scenario. If you'd for example get far more than 200 shots using LV on a 5DS, odds are you'd get far more than 340 out of the A7RII using the same or similar setup too.
"This camera ist more an absurdly overpriced toy than a serious tool for professionals, and therefore deserves a Silver Award at most!"
Let's add: to you.
Yet in the hands of many professionals it's more capable in many scenarios than anything costing up to twice as much or more (face tracking over the whole frame at large apertures, blur free prime shooting in low light, nailing focus down to pixel level at high resolutions, video, specifically 4K in general including AF and low light, etc.). To put "toy" and "absurdly overpriced" in to perspective.
The interesting thing is that those who frequently use LV (for example for extra critical focus on high resolution bodies) or use that feature a lot, see their battery life on for example Canon DSLR's diminish to or beyond levels of those Sony cameras too, despite the differences in battery capacity (CIPA: 200 for a 5DS using the LCD, 340 for the A7RII using the LCD). Which shows that the differences in battery life strongly depend on the user case too.
Thorgrem: The logical conclusion of all these buy guides is that Amazon greatly overestimated the demand of Sony camera's and still have a huge stock left that needs to be sold. Why else such useless articles without use cases?
Sony changed policy where many of the older models remain in the lineup at discounted price points. See the RX100 range (the original is still listed even though they're already at the mark IV point). The same goes for the Ax range with the A7S, A7R and A7 still being listed (and possibly produced) too.
FotoFrik: Sony is now the leader of the new top-level cameras. I do not know what to write about Fuji or Nikon old sensors ?
A lot of attempts and hopes at self fulfilling prophecies between these lines. Talk about agendas.
Asside from more than a bit of nonsense of course. Such as:"considering the fact that Sony made it so clear that they have split their Sensor business apart from their camera business."
It has been pointed out several times to you that it was never part of the camera (Imaging) department to begin with. No change in that regard.
zsedcft: I may be missing something, but it looks like you have posted the video in 1080p and not 4K. Is that deliberate?
Many don't suffer from this and it isn't an issue with an external recorder, which was also used according to the video.
darngooddesign: For those who don't want 42MP files, can't you set it to save lower res files?
For jpegs yes, not in RAW (unless in crop mode).
DS HK: For 4 full frame roundups:A7 80% silverA7II 82% silver6D 83% SilverD610 87% goldand the best overall full frame winner is 82% silver A7II, what's wrong? Obviously, the score % system not match with the 2015 round-up result. What else criteria are used in the round-up?
For one, the review score for tye A7II does not reflect the added functionality and AF performance of the new firmware update. That adresses a couple of key negatives.
Just Ed: Owned a D600 and now have two 6D's and also use a 5D mkiii. The 6D is quite uderrated. In my experience it focuses far better than Nik's D600 particularily in low light. My point is more focus points does not equal a better focusing system. I recently took a frame of a luminous flashlight in a dark room using autofocus and exposure and the 6D did quite well. Yesterday took pics of a friend and her foster 9 month old hyper energy pointer. Not a single frame was out of focus on the 6D. Now, had I taken the 5D mkiii with me that would have been my go to. But Canon's under rated ff can be had refurbed for under a thousand bucks and will probably be cheaper if they replace it next Spring. It is an image taking machine which adds wifi and gps (use the latter often for travel and events). All my glass is L glass so that helps overall performance. 24-70L, 70-200 f/4 L and also use 100-400 mkii L..
Betamax was a failure in the consumer market but lived on as Betacam in the camera market for a very long time.
qwertyasdf: Fairly speaking, Canon and Panasonic mirrorlesses have decent battery life, Sony's bad, and Olympus is absolutely miserable (less than 200 shots per charge on EM5, IBIS off)
I want to suggest something out of the ordinary, how about a collapsible telephoto lens to keep everything small?! Since telephotos really have a lot of air space in them.
Since the picture is showing a Fuji camera, I'm particularly disappointed with them, why the heck are their lenses becoming bigger and bigger?!?!?! I love Fuji, but stopped with the X-A1 and 18--55mm F2.8-4, I have no desire to buy any of their huge lenses.
Try shooting Canon and Nikon DSLR cameras in full-time live view and their battery life is lower than Sony's by quite a margin (see their CIPA ratings for live view use) despite the significantly smaller Sony battery. In other words, the Sony cameras are very efficient, they just would be helped with larger batteries. That however would compromise backwards compatibility too, if they use something larger than the ones in the A mount cameras.
Canon mirrorless actually have a horrible track record for battery life, much worse than Sony. Even using the same Sony 1 inch sensor, Canon compact cameras show significantly worse battery life, while being slower to boot.
The Squire: How much longer can Canon keep 'protecting' their DSLR revenues by under-investing in ILCs? There wont be much revenue to protect soon...
Canon could easily be the next Kodak.
The 1 inch sensors have small pixels and exceed 70%, the A7RII sits between 63% and 71% based on DXOmark and Bclaff measurements (between 1/3 and 1/2 EV improvement over the A7R in sensitivity for midtones and highlights, not accounting for read noise improvements at higher ISO'S).
The Canon 7D markII is the exception and marks the top of the Canon range that I mentioned earlier ("topping out below 60%"), the rest, including all FF, sits at or below 51%.
davev8: t costs $£$£$£$£ to develop a camera ..what Sony are doing is developing anther before the development cost is payd for by the 1st camera now canon who have maybe the only profitable camera division takes a sensible route for long term stability ...how much development cost is left in every 5Dmkiii sold?...i think Canikon will have the last laff
You do realize this is about Imaging, not the whole of Sony. Current forecast for the whole fiscal year is an operating income above 8% and 39% increase in operating income. Margin for the fiscal year ending march this year was 5.8%.
Richard Murdey: I admit, I find this stuff interesting.
The impression you might get from the internet is Sony cameras are just killing it right now, financial reports allow for some cross checking. Unfortunately just a single quarter like the above doesn't tell you much.
Here's the bigger story:
Income IP&S, 2012-2013-2014-2015: 761-730-741-720 billion yen.
In other words whatever success Sony has had with the A7 and RX100 lines has been largely offset by declines in other areas, whether SLT, P&S, or camcorders. In keeping income largely constant, however, and always at a profit, it is fair to say they are performing above average.
"In other words whatever success Sony has had with the A7 and RX100 lines has been largely offset by declines in other areas,"
Over the whole year the forecast for revenues was just moved upwards to a 39% increase in operational income compared to last fiscal year and a margin that increases from 5.8% to 8.1% at almost flat total sales, mostly due to an improved product mix (less camcorders and P&S, more high value cameras).
GlobalGuyUSA: The biggest losers in Sony buying up the scandal-ridden Toshiba's sensors division will be us -- the consumers. Toshiba was a pressure against Sony getting a monopoly on advancement. You can already see Sony is implementing its sensors in its own cameras first, more than a year before other companies have access to it. It didn't used to be this way -- previously, they gave them to competitors first and only later implemented them in Sony cameras. Nikon, etc, could have had the option to use a Toshiba sensor instead.... but now that option doesn't exist.
I really wish Nikon & Canon had bought Toshiba's sensor business, instead of Sony. It doesn't seem that this is good for consumers. Especially now that Samsung is exiting the camera market, there will be no Samsung surprise. Instead, we're going to feel a Sony monopoly.
Right now, Sony is incredibly innovative, though. So let's see if that holds up. No criticism unless they drop the ball. But they have a responsibility now.
"Sony is currently the leader in sensors, but mostly due to their contract with Apple."
Sony sells more sensors to Samsung on a yearly basis. Only a small portion of the Samsung phones carries Samsung sensors and Samsung still sells >50% more phones than Apple (almost 80% more in q3 this year).
And indeed, Sony already led sensor sales before Apple came into play.
A7S and A7RII sensors hover around 70%, all recent 1 inch sensors from Sony do, the Canon 6D sensor sits around 50%.
Their actual "pixels" aren't top of the line anymore either with a QE around 50% and topping out below 60% at best where competition is moving towards or past 70%. Granted, a difference between a third to half a stop in sensitivity isn't earth shattering but still easily a generation.
mvmv: Projected operating profit for Imaging system is +15% for 2015, still excelled unlike others. Without ground facts article is little confusing.http://www.canon.com/ir/conference/pdf/conf2015q3e.pdf
"Unlike others"October projection for FY2015 from Sony Imaging expects 39% growth of operating income compared to 2014.
TwoMetreBill: 99.9+% of all sensors are made for phones and cars with this rapidly trending to 99.99%. Sensors for phones/cars are sold in the billions, for cameras in the millions. Then there are all the new smart devices which need billions more. Sensors for traditional cameras just don't matter financially to a corporation. The only thing saving camera sensors at this point is that cameras are marketing tools that manufacturers use to show off their technology. Sony, Fuji and Panasonic have always lost money on camera gear.
What we photo enthusiasts have to hope is that somebody decides to keep making sensors for cameras.
Sony is currently making a profit from its Camera division.