kevin_r: I'm just getting this definite impression that Amazon/Dpreview is at loggerheads with Sony.They seem to be sending a message that Sony will be treated with scorn and contempt unless Sony ponies up some moolla somewhere.Why do I say this?Look at the treatment the Sony A77 mark II is getting even though it has been out on the market since August already.Then, this specific article is clearly sending the message - "Oh, sorry, we didn't see you there - your cubicle was so small and unnoticeable....!"
Great way to go, guys. Keep it up. Sony will soon cave in and spend some moolla as required.
"here's just no reasoning with you people."
Not if you think there's only been two upgrades from the A77 to A77II.
- New imaging sensor (up to 0.5 EV cleaner in midtones, to 1 EV in shadows)- New AF sensor with > 4x more AF points, more than double the coverage and increased sensitivity- 3 times faster Bionz X Imaging processor- Deeper buffer (2x deeper in RAW, 4x deeper in jpeg)- Wifi added (also for wireless control)- NFC added- New EVF with up to 3 times more DR and resolving power- New calibration options for EVF- Stabilized EVF view- New AF tracking options and algorithms- Updated/added (double layered) weather sealing- Addition of Quick Navi Pro- Larger flash compensation range- New "standard" hot shoe plus extra connector (for mic, XLR module etc)- Audio monitoring and more control- Zebra stripes for exposure monitoring- New LCD (white dots for better brightness)- Uncompressed HDMI out for video- Extra custom memory presets and much more customization options
rabbitzilla: They are shouting like they have "released" the lenses. But many in Photokina were mock-ups.
Sony use a very different way of marketing. When Nikon & Canon announce something, they are ready to sell it and most of the products have been in field-testing for weeks.
It may be and industrial standard of new product introduction in future. - -"
BTW, obviously, A7 body is becoming too small for FF high performance lenses. I believe Sony will enlarge the body eventually.
The 1DX, 1DC and basically many of the (super) tele lenses disagree with you.
tkbslc: Why does Sony hate fast lenses?
55mm f/1.8 sounds close enough. Zeiss also releases a native 35mm f/2 and 50mm f/2.
"it barely qualified as a refresh" It's easily as much of a refresh as the 7Dmkii.
ManuelVilardeMacedo: I liked this interview. Mr. Ishizuka is thoroughly honest, realistic and straightforward. He acknowledges that photographers tend to build systems around their lens collection, so he reckons Sony need to offer more lenses if they expect to counter Canikon duopoly. That's a breath of fresh air; given the way consumers are specs-led, it would be easy for Sony to concentrate on offering cameras with over-the-top specs, but they don't. Sony seem serious about the photography business. Some decades ago it was different, with pseudo-innovations that were obsolete in a few weeks' time and loads of useless gadgetry. Now Sony are more down-to-earth. That's very welcome.
Or to complain about detractors in other (Nikon, Canon) forums, only to try real hard to do the same in a thread about Sony.
They didn't abandon the NEX system, they renamed it.They didn't introduce a new mount, they added full frame sensors (and lenses) to an existing mount.Still the A and E mount.And a lens roadmap for the latter.
Marty4650: Sony is pretty much the "Anti-Canikon" because they innovate constantly while the big two sit on their laurels and take very few risks. There is nothing bold or innovative about tweaking out another digital Rebel model every ten months, or making minor improvements to last year's Nikon DSLRs.
Because of this, Sony is all over the map, supporting various systems and lens mounts. It can be pretty expensive for them, and it can make it harder for them to be profitable. But they are the only company that has the potential to replace one (or even both) of the big two in the future.
@ Menneisyys:I paid about €130-€160 for both my 50 and 35mm f/1.8 lenses (each), new. Does that qualify as "super cheap"?
Karl Gnter Wnsch: Kudos to Canon, just like the 7D with it's ground breaking AF system (5 years ago it was and it still performs better than most of what came afterwards) they again put in a class leading AF system into their flagship APS-C - yet this time class leading means ALL DSLR... They didn't leave one stone unturned in it, f/8 focusing, -3EV focusing, 65 all cross type AF points, tracking assist with metering sensor (like their main sports pro camera 1Dx), extreme large frame coverage, spot AF, incredible grouping abilities...Pair that with a evolution of one of the best APS-C sensors (the 70D) and the buffer sized to match the available frame speed and you have the complete package that will be hard to beat by any of it's competition...
If you had actually read before your usual ranting from frustration, then you would have already realized that this was based on theory, taking noise from other stages out of the equation. Not because of practical use, but to prove that the sillicon before A/D conversion is not more efficiënt either.
And extra DR at low ISO is not a burden, for as long as the DR in most contrasty scenes still exceeds what the sensors can capture. Your Canon camera jpegs already have a larger DR compressed to a smaller DR for displaying purposes. Starting with an even larger DR isn't a downside, it adds choice. Especially now that OLED displays (>12 EV display possible) are within reach.
Your F1 reference is another clueless one. The Tyrrells were shortly competitive, but their special (small) front tyres were starting to lag in development compared to the regular ones. The ones with extra wheels at the rear never saw real action due to quick regulation changes regarding driven wheels.
Sonyshine: If it had a different badge on it then sales would skyrocket.
For some reason the Samsung brand is sneered at by many photographers and I fear that the branding is what will hold this excellent camera back?
At ISO 1600, the shadow noise is close to the shadow noise of the 12 MP Exmor sensor from 2010 at ISO 3200. At ISO 3200, it's equal or worse than the Exmor at ISO 6400 in shadows.
KameraFever: You know who will not sneer away from this camera? Videographers, care least about about what the name badge. If the NX1 delivers the goods in great 4k video, they will be all over this. Did you see the secondary market revolved around the Panasonic GH series? The same thing will happen here.
"Wrong, DXO is using theoretical light sources to make guesses about how the sensor should perform and then publishes numbers."
I'm not digging, I didn't make the "made up" claim. Besides, numbers are not made up if they follow measurements combined with physics.
Not sure how they would "jump ahead", since the sensor in the D5300 would score 14.1 stops of DR and the one in the D7100 14.7 stops using that same formula. For FF cameras, the D810 would score 15.9 EV. Mind you, even the almost 3 times smaller RX100III sensor would still score within 0.5 EV of the 70D sensor.In other words, the efficiency of the sillicon is still a tad lower too, but I agree that the largest difference comes from the A/D conversion.
Far better in a parallel universe, possibly.
Geomaticsman: If Nikon doesn't respond with (or even leak news of) a DX competitor by the time the 7DII is available for purchase, I dare say is sayonara Nikon for me. No doubt the "70D" sensor is a disappointment, but virtually everything else in the 7DII is exactly what I'm looking for in a DX body. Add Canon's superb supertele selection to the mix and superior TC's, plus the fact that Nikon killed my favourite post processing engine (CNX2), and you know...I think I could live with the sensor performance everything else being considered. Certainly nothing wrong with the 1Dx or 5DIII as a backup either.
Sorry Nikon, I only have so much patience...life is short and death is long.
Huge jpeg buffer, RAW buffer is pretty similar (31 vs 28).
justmeMN: The JPEGs should be better than Sony. Sony is known for overly aggressive noise reduction.
So is Canon, but in this case at low ISO smudging away low contrast detail, yet oversharpening edges with halos. Just check the 6D review for example.
Markol: Nice tribute to the RX100 and would have been a killer 2 years ago.Almost exact copy of the RX100 with a Panasonic model number. Great innovation!
They forgot the viewfinder and still the RX100III has 50% longer battery life.
The NX10/NX100 sensor was up to a full stop behind competition in terms of noise at high ISO at the time of release and up to 2 stops in behind in DR. Compared to modern APS-C senors that has increased to over a stop and a half and 2 and a half stops respectively.Even Samsung's own sensors have improved a lot since that one.
They are not made up numbers. They are measured numbers based on many different levels of lighting (see all the SNR plots in their full reviews) and different temperature too (see colour response tab).The only thing they do not account for is patterns, which can and often have a visual impact too.
Joseph Black: It's nice to know some companies choose deliberate development rather than the rapid release of poorly conceived gimmicks. Not to say Apple doesn't have a gimmick here and there, but when they do something they do it right.
The crux, you installed your apps back then, but might have lost support for updates now. People with an older iOS version can no longer install many of the new apps without support for older iOS versions. That's part of the word "support" too.
As is the fact that Apple has been dodging the standard 2 year warrantly laws here in the EU. The only large manufacturer to do so. Not perceived as great support here.
As for your "flagship" claim, I had a good laugh. There have been flagship phones ever since the introduction of the cellphone, long before any iPhone saw daylight.
The introduction of the term "smartphone", did not change that fact, nor removed the existence of flagship devices.
I had a Sony flagship device with a very nice 311ppi screen ("retina"!), metal construction etc., before Apple reinvented the term retina, started using metal housings etc.At that time, Apple was still playing around with 163ppi screens and plastic housings for at least another 2 years.
I feel for them if they don't know how to install a different firmware themselves (some makers actually provide relatively simple guides on how to flash your phone to whichever firmware) and if they are missing critical features. That last part I doubt is the case for most. Because even the first firmwares were already pretty feature rich.
But on the other hand, for Apple phones, especially for older models, it is critical or you lose access to many apps (with support stopped for older models), even many of the popular ones.And this "forced" update model actually made plenty Apple users unhappy for ending up with slow older phones too. Another way to push new/upgrade sales I guess.
Most Android apps, popular ones included, still give support all the way back to some of the first versions.
The story that often doesn't get told in these discussions.
You're all over the place with your arguments. What do updates have to do with the choice of OS? If I choose Android, I'm not going to lose sleep over not having the latest 0.0.1 update or not and I doubt many do. And if they do, they still have choice.If you want a really nice phone with a recent version of Android, there are still at least 10 different Android phones and brands to choose from.