flangad: This NEX 6 is a really great camera, and the 16-50Pz a good lense to go with it.
Anyway, i wish Sony could add a few features, not quoted in the review:- fully articulated screen for self-portrait- live-bulb mode as the Olympus OM-D EM5- "crop zoom"available for movie shooting (without interpolate, as Pnasonic do on micro4/3 cams)- more still picture aspect ratio : 4:3, 1:1- more videos modes: Only one version PAL+NTSC and not 2 localized versions, 720p, more mp4 resolutions, slow motion VGA 120 or 240 fps.- max ISO-auto parameter
And we would get a near perfect camera on a functional point of view.maybe some of those features could be some future "apps", or firmware updates
I'm impatient to see the future "mid-tele prime E-mount lens" (many people says it will be a 85mm f/1,8). I hope it will be very compact (why not collapsible as the 16-50pz?)
Also need more accessories for the accessory socket (microphone and standard microphone plug....)
Yabokkie wrote:"I don't think they are so different".How does a factor 3 to 5 difference in speed qualify in terms of "different"? Not to mention tracking at 10fps possible under certain circumstances vs no tracking possible whatsoever.
Bruce Clarke: Yawn. Why can't Samsung bring a bit of class to design? Same old plastic shiny as the S3. Marketing spend is all. Shame HTC can't match it or they might sell more.
You judge hardware design by subjective looks? Otherwise it seems a bit baseless without a proper final product test.
DenWil: I have never picked up an Android phone that did not butcher photos, whether B&W or color, so perhaps this will finally fix that.
@ Lightleak:Could you list those 5 different camera modules by type and manufacturer? Since you know they were different ones, that's information you must have and could be useful in the discussion.Mine is the SONY IMX105 running firmware TBEF04. But the pink spot has been absent on all firmwares since I received it may 2011.
Mister J: The RGB screen option looks most useful.
I'm looking forward to an iPhone v Galaxy IQ comparo.
@ Stu 5 :Factfree talk and obviously experience free talk too.Displaymate measured both phones in this respect:http://i49.tinypic.com/35iveib.jpg
And that's also what PhoneArena concluded when they compared the viewing angles from the Lumia 900, Iphone 5, GS3 and HTC One X:"Again, the Samsung Galaxy S III and Nokia Lumia 900 seem to fare well in this category, as they maintain their clarity at moderate and extreme viewing angles. Specifically, colors retain their vibrancy without the expense of any washed out looks as we increasingly tilt them more and more. [..] but as we need to point out all of their strengths and weaknesses, it’s the handsets using AMOLED panels that shine the most."
I have yet to see any LCD match my AMOLED in this regard.And the main reason why there are few if any large AMOLED screens, is cost (yields are too low being one cause). Even regular OLED is still too costly at large sizes. For example, Sony has a 25" professional OLED monitor for $5.500.
RivRat: Not for me thanks. Went through both the s2 and s3 this year. The screens will crack with even the most modest of bumps. Just not rubust enough for everyday rumble and tumble.
@ Stu 5:So what defines a "quality material"? Plastics are used in the aerospace and space industry too, so they might like to know too.
A large share of Iphone 4(S)'s that I have seen, have a crack or more in the rear panel and damaged edges. The droptests showed it was farmore prone to breaking than the GS2.
I can't seem to damage the rear panel of my GS2 and as a whole it looks like new too after nearly 2 years of extensive use and quite a few drops.
So maybe there's more to it than material names.
@ Stu 5Very poor viewing angles? In terms of colour shifts under angle they hold on almost as well as the best IPS panels in phones and in terms of contrast, their viewing angles are the benchmark still. Even the brightness drop under a 30 degree angle is less than *half* that of say the LCD in an iPhone 5 (28% vs 60%). The latter two are far more important when it comes to visibility.
Colour accuracy is a matter of profiling and for some reason review websites always measure the standard profile, rather than the neutral one or one of the others.
And I first calibrated my GS2 AMOLED a year ago under GB.
TimT999: I think I'm going to avoid these "hands-on" features from now on -- especially for these over-hyped consumer devices.
Every other paragraph seems to start out with a feature straight out of the company marketing materials and then says, "...but we didn't get to actually test it to see if it works properly."
A bunch of marketing specs are of absolutely no interest to a thoughtful reader. I want to know if the "feature" actually works as promised and how useful it would be in a real life situation. If you didn't test it, it's barely better than vaporware.
The same goes for the specs. The fact that the unit has 13 MP sounds great. Wow, it must be as good as a lot of point and shoots out now -- almost as good as a 14 MP DSLR. Oh wait, but what if the sensor is the same size as the old 8MP one -- some tiny chip that can't touch even a point and shoot. If that's the case then the added resolution is almost useless. Of course DP doesn't give us that fact. Just more corporate marketing.
@ Chris Noble:Your own comment colours your perception of what is reasonable and what is snide nicely...
Nokia 3310 it is! ;-)The S2 is still one of the most robuust (see drop tests for example) phones out there.
@lightleak:only one of the three camera modules used, could suffer from that issue. My S2 could never be forced to show any sign of it.
wadap0: Why do I keep seeing ridiculous comments like "Nikon has no control over their sensors". Everyone knows the D800 sensor was manufactured by Sony. Can anyone reasonably assume that Nikon was not involved in the DESIGN of the sensor? Sony can make sensors at lower cost than Nikon due to economies of scale, but the sensor DESIGN is definitely Nikon's - that is what is important to know.
@InTheMyst:The A580 and D7000 did score the same even though Sony opted not to use the 14bit mode and uses its own filters (more selective CFA's for example). The RX1 scored within margin of error from the D600 too.
HowaboutRAW: Which version of Android does it run? (I assume it's Android 4.1, but this kind of thing is important, and has Android made limiting background processes easier with 4.1 than with 4.0? Fewer unnecessary background processes is a feature that makes the iPhone experience usually better than the Android experience.)
The Camera: Then of course shooting raw would improve the camera more than a higher mega pixel count. Samsung should really do an 8MP camera that shoots raw; DNG shouldn't be too hard. Since, unlike the iPhone, this Samsung phone has a flash card slot, storage space is not problem. If Samsung really cared, they'd also include raw extraction software that runs well on the phone itself.
And yes fewer MPs helps with lowlight higher sensitivity settings, as does raw. So I don't need to read the claims that the fewer MPs thing is a myth; it's not.
Digitall: It seems to me Samsung has now placed the rope around the Apple neck.
Which process specifically, by name? And which was the exact result from that process in terms of performance. As in, can you quantify?
semorg: No bloatwear with iPhone. Apple fought hard to protect the consumers from all that crap. Android and Samsung are just bunch of thieves they copied everything apple did into a cheap plastic shell. Apple does have a screen issue. But that's because they tried so hard not to fragment their screen sizes. As a mobile developer dealing with android is a pain. You have to design for so many sizes. Where as apple has tried to keep the ratio consistent and at least the width.
Apple removes choice and then its users no longer feel they're using bloatware, because without jailbreaking, some of those Apple programs become a necessity. Ultimate marketing win.
jl_smith: So all of this camera "innovation" -- are manual controls of the camera one of them? I use iphone 5 and havent used android since my Droid X, so unsire if they let you actually control SS and aperture, ISO now...
Can't speak for aperture, but ISO control has been the norm for quite a while now.
maxnimo: I've been saying this for years. Basically, if you use a cheap zoom lens on a 24 MP camera your image won't even be as good as a clean 4 MP image.
Where did you read anything like that in the DXO articles?
Interesting to note that say a 28-300 Nikkor ultra zoomlens on a D800 is able to keep up with/beat a 28mm F2.8 *prime* on a D3S in terms of final image resolution. Simply because of the extra pixels making more out of "average" lenses too.
So much for the theory that 36MP only give benefit with a handful of top end lenses.
Or was it? First it's an Exmor design (Sony's trademark), second, it's the exact same architecture as the 16MP APS-C sensor (underlined by the equal performance *per unit area*). And the latter first debuted in... the Sony A55 and A580 before being used in the D7000.
papparazzi: Canon will CRUSH them. Just wait and see. ;)
@RussellInCincinnati:Here you go --> https://hotfile.com/dl/191872996/a4dc5ec/D7_vs_D7000_TIF.rar.html?lang=en
Same exposure, same spot, same conditions. Notice the big difference in shadow noise and banding.
harry cannoli: $2800, viewfinder optional?
I just can't get past that. Blame it on my age. Texting is a solution looking for a problem, a Tweet is the sound a bird makes, and as cameras go, the viewfinder is as integral a component as the shutter.
$2800 and I charge the camera the same way I charge my phone?
Have fun with that.
Actually, it seems like charging in camera was a deliberate choice for both the RX100 and RX1 to keep the traveling package as compact as possible, which is the whole point of these cameras to begin with...I say that also because they usually do provide external chargers and want you to charge externally. But if charging internally is a hurdle, you can always spend a whopping $10 so you can charge both internally and externally.
olypan: Drip, drip, drip.......
Nice, a review/bash in K. Rockwell style. Review a camera without holding one.