Nimbifer: Cooked RAWs? Thanks for the information, DPR. That was all I needed to know.
I'll never ever consider purchase of such cameras or lenses. To me it is the exact equivalent of olympic athletes proven guilty of doping. No way, Sony. I do hope, DPR takes this into account in their reviews and will not hand out gold or silver awards to that stuff.
The extra correction parameters come with the metadata. Whether you see the result of that metadata, depends on the converter used, as also highlighted in the article, because some 3rd party converters ignore such metadata to begin with. DCRAW based converters come to mind.
Siobhan A: Forever?Does he mean like all the Canon lenses those Sony owners have been scrambling to buy and keep?Oh, and why are colors so bad in the two pictures from this story? Were these lenses used??
135mm ZA f/1.8 says hi.
Thorgrem: 'We want to make lenses that can be used forever'. Not going to happen. Every mount will eventually be obsolete. If this was the startingpoint of these lenses the safest bet was to make it for Canon EF-mount or Nikon F-mount.
You conveniently skipped the rest of my post that addresses exactly the sensor size issue. I'm sure even fools would understand that part.
@ Throgrem:Your "simple logic" seems rather too simplistic and again based on a false premise:"My assumption is that the flange distance wont decrease further because the distance in E-mount is already a problem."
There are already at least 6 mounts in existence with a shorter flange distance than the E mount. Of which one has about half the flange distance. The largest problem with larger digital sensors, is angle of incidence. That is however not a problem of the short flange distance, but rather one of designing a lens that sits closer to the sensor. Because a shorter flange distance only adds choice in this regard: you can have it sit far or close.
Your assumption that there won't be shorter flange distances holds no basis because there's still progress being made in improving the handling of digital sensors with large angle of incidence light rays. It's actually quite likely that we will see shorter shorter flange distances in the future.
Your assumption is that:A) flange distance will increase again (zero reason to believe that, seeing the current trend), otherwise there is no reason it won't fitB) electronic connections prohibit the use of lenses on other mounts in the future (again, current trends point to the opposite being true)
So both A and B don't seem to hold much if any water.
Seeing as you can use some of the oldest camera lenses (>100 years old) in existence on current E mount bodies, the comment about mounts becoming obsolete, doesn't hold much value.
Jostian: no weather sealing, pity! not a must I guess but it does just add to the overall package... the new AF looks promising though.
@ Revenant:And I'll repeat that your statements regarding the lack of seals are false. Not just because they aren't supported factually (other than the assumption based on the excerpt you mention, which does NOT state there are no seals). It's false because Sony specifically states it DOES have seals:"sealed buttons/dials and double-layered interlocking components prevent entry and moisture, for reliable operation under tough conditions".And then there's a schematic visualization of all the seals:http://sonyglobal.scene7.com/is/image/gwtprod/555afbafb0c3fa416623282ad4bd22c4?fmt=jpeg&wid=280&qlt=85
Favorable Exponynt: No touch screen. No sale. No ibis no sale, no battery life no sale really for $1000 they should be able to make a more complete camera. They don't even need to put a mirror or a pentaxprism in it nor 3 or four motors operating it all. Only the physical shutter still reminds of a real camera. :p
@ Revenant:False, it does have seals, as also higlighted on the website.
"sealed buttons/dials and double-layered interlocking components prevent entry and moisture, for reliable operation under tough conditions".And then there's a schematic visualization of all the seals:http://sonyglobal.scene7.com/is/image/gwtprod/555afbafb0c3fa416623282ad4bd22c4?fmt=jpeg&wid=280&qlt=85
Silat Shooter: I have mixed feelings about this new announcement. The video side of this camera is outstanding and the AF appears to be greatly improved. All those wonderful AF points, but no quick way to access and move them. Sony has pitched hard their IBIS system on their A7 cameras hard, but sadly it's not here. The new lenses they introduced are FF lenses and do NOT have IS function in the the lenses, so on the new A6300 no stabilization... Sony took a long time before they brought this camera to market, after such a long time and guessing a great deal of discussions how did they not address some of these things. I like Touchscreens, so for me that's another omission. As others have noted, battery life, you'll have to carry spares. Then another crummy kit lens, really?!?! This great sensor in this new body and that's what they paired it with?? I have an NEX 7 and in good light the IQ is great! Aside from the video, I was hoping for more.
The announced 70-200 DOES have built in stabilization and would have been equally big if it just covered the APS-C circle. Which is why neither Canon, nor Nikon has APS-C only tele lenses.
More features would mean even higher price tag, which wouldn't make it a true successor of the A6000. Arguably, there's still room for another A7xxx series camera above it, with a larger body (more direct control) and IBIS.
ArtAlt: a6300 focuses down to EV ???
-1 EV at f/2 according to the specs on the Sony website.
bmwzimmer: Well, so much for the Mirrorless is smaller argument. Bigger/longer/heavier pro lenses plus the extra weight of batteries negates this advantage.
Until you go out with those smaller lenses. You don't have to carry everything everywhere...
Flexibility, it's one of the bonuses.
2eyesee: Another APS-C body, but Sony have abandoned APS-C E-mount lens development, and announcing this camera on the same day as three FE lenses is really rubbing our noses in it.
I don't care how good the AF is if after all these years Sony still can't offer a decent kit lens. I got the A6000 when it first came out and returned it because the 16-50 kit lens was so bad. The 18-55 is no better.
Did I just read this right?
"Complaint about gaps in the APS-C lens lineup" (valid if you're missing something of course)
"Thus a switch to the Canon M system."
WACONimages: Looks promising! As the original A6000 already was and still is! But Sony what about lenses... The are HUGE, most of them. They are EXPENSIVE beyond being realistic. This could be an awesome sports-camera. But there is a lack of bright tele lenses for these ape-c bodies. I mean + 300mm
Long tele lenses will be similar in size and weight when designed for FF or APS-C. Hence why you won't see long APS-C tele lenses for Canon or Nikon bodies either. There's simply no point designing them when the FF version will look and do pretty much the same.
nutscracker: Where is the new APS-C lenses? Sony's current APS-C lenses lineup is a junk
The 24mm Sony Zeiss is great, just a bit pricey.
jaxson: Lack of sensor stabilisation is the main drawback for me.
Why is no one mentioning this?
Only 300 did before you. ;-)
noflashplease: What exactly is the point of a brilliant autofocus system without any adequate telephoto options? Sony needed glass and instead they concentrated on gimmicks and gizmos. The A6000 wasn't deficient in terms of autofocus performance. This big issue was always the limited and unimpressive selection of lenses. I can't imagine very many people shooting sports or wildlife with the corny powerzoom 16-50mm!
I'm talking real focal lengths, not equivalent focal lengths...
The size of the front element and length are pretty much a given, ceteris paribus (non folding/collapsing design etc.). The only difference is in the area close to the lens mount. On a longer lens that's not going to make much of a difference, because it will make a relatively small portion of the lens. See for example also the Samsung 85mm F/1.4, which is similar in size and weight to the Nikon 85mm f/1.4, despite the fact that the former was specifically designed for APS-C cameras (there were and are no Samsung FF cameras).
For the same reason, neither Canon, nor Nikon has bothered or will ever bother designing 70-200mm f/2.8 or large aperture 85mm lenses for just the APS-C format. Even when they have (will have again) semi-pro APS-C cameras to go with them. The FF versions do that job pretty much the same.
There's a 300mm f/2.8 Sony lens that works with the LA-EA1/EA3 adapter ring. Be prepared to break the bank. ;-)
Siobhan A: Don't blame DPR. Part of their job is to get everyone excited about new cameras....then get them to buy them on Amazon.
But this new Sony shows Sony doesn't care about a small affordable system anymore, and shows they are not willing to add the features that so many were asking for the past 18 months.
One could wonder if people with over a dozen accounts are here to give us objective opinions, or just to troll
Hello Siobhan A aka DT2000, Just Having Fun, Lab D, Everdog etc. etc.
An APS-C 70-200mm lens wouldn't really be noticeably smaller.
AdamT: Hmm, what happened to the A6100 and 6200 ? .......... No IBIS or touchscreen are the downies :(. "Copper wiring" the Joke - LOL, and the new fancy AF system and box-ticking 4K are the headline features of this newcomer ..
Personally I didn`t find the AF SPEED in single AF in the A6000 lacking, it only was poor in low light, that`s where the new AF update will be important so long as its a significant improvement , otherwise keep your A6000`s folks. the lack of IBIS is a bit of a killer considering all their current A7s have it now
Copper wiring isn't exactly a joke if it allows for much faster readout speeds which in turn allows for:-120 fps viewfinder mode-silent shooting- 4K video with 6K sensor readout- much wider and much more dense AF coverage- better AF tracking- live view during 8fps burst