I think DPReview is a bit too regaled/pampered/spoiled (*) from the products that Sony came up with during the last years and had very very high expectation. Because if you just review the facts and compare with comparable competition it should have eailiry a gold reward. For example I tested (and finally bought) this a77II and also tested a EOS 70D. The a77II was far better in almost every aspect (or at least similar) but he 70D gets a higher score from dpreview. I think that the expectation were a bit to high. It's not that ultimate miracle wapon that beats a 4DS or 1DX for 15% of the price but compared to other 1000 € APS-C bodies out there it is very very exicting.I love it !
I actually planned to wait until the final review of the a77 II is there since dpreview actually always was my primary source for camera desicion etc.But now I was getting weak and finally bought the a77 II.And from what I can say until now is that it is really, really great.I also testet a7 II and a6000 but a77 II was my clear favorite.(And of course I don't regret that I switched from Sony to Canon some years ago.)
steelhead3: I thought the pictures were quite good, demonstrating DR that Canon shooters can only dream about. The only quibble I have is they seem a little bit underexposed.
As shown in the EXIF data most shots have been shot with some negative EV correction. Thats why they are a bit dark. Not sure why the photographer didn't keep default.
ZAnton: So the short flange distance makes no sense, because it causes big distortions, abberations and problems with "real aperture" on a big sensor (light has to fall on the sensor under a big angle). These lenses look quite long.
So what is a advantage of a slim 35mm mirrorless?
What I noticed is that a E mount lens with same price, weight and size is about one stop worse than A mount. So I do not see an advantage for E mount. I think they should also do a mirrorless body with A mount.The main advantage for E mount is that you can use an adapter and then use Canon, Leica etc lenses. But if you have no lagacy lenses I prefere A mount.
they should use A mount for mirrorless. Its easier to make fast and good lensrs for A than for E mount.
kevin_r: I see the studio images are up for this camera - and they look terrible against the Canon 7D II, Nikon D7100, Pentax 5S II etc. No wonder DPR kept it back.
continue to dream...
andy1331: Why did you mention the a77II body as bulky? Its almost identical and even lighter than a 70d or others in this clsss. And dont forget the advantages of the SLT concept like EVF, very fast AF even in LV, great Videi options... Lobe this one but dont understand why Sony doesnt come up with some smaller pendant. In this area they focus on e mount which is the worse mount I think for good fast glass...
did you try the EVF of the a77 II ? Sound slike you talk about the EVF some years ago...
Why did you mention the a77II body as bulky? Its almost identical and even lighter than a 70d or others in this clsss. And dont forget the advantages of the SLT concept like EVF, very fast AF even in LV, great Videi options... Lobe this one but dont understand why Sony doesnt come up with some smaller pendant. In this area they focus on e mount which is the worse mount I think for good fast glass...
Scoots42: The price of this camera is coming down nicely... body <$900. I'm thinking of it for taking photos of my kids and their teams playing sports and just for an all around camera. My son plays college soccer and daughter grade school basketball(darker gyms).
What lens/lenses would you recommend for the above?
What camera would you buy instead in the same price range?
Tamron 70-200 / 2.8.Either the new version for about 1000 € or the older (without ultrasonis motor) for about 500 €.The camera is absolutely great. Easy choice. Lenses there are also more options depending on budget but the Tamrons mentioned above give great value for money...
Hey dpreview staff: The review of the GX7 is fiished that soon and we still wait months for the full review of the a77 II. Come on, give us the full review of the a77 II, please, please ...
It's stupid to believe plastic = bad quality, metal = good quality.
Here are some fact's:
Cool comparison by DCTV:
It's like Sonys Picture faming option in their current SLT and mirrorless cameras. But why not...
Eddi D: I've used this site before a long time when searching for my 1st camera. Now I'm back for an upgrade. I currently own a Minolta 7D and Sony A100.I have the following lenses:Peleng 8mm fisheyeMinolta 50mm 1.7Sigma 15-30mm 3.5-4.5 DGTamron 28-75 2.8mm XR DISigma 70-200mm 2.8 EX DGSigma APO 2X EX DG TeleconverterI'm going to 'dump' my Minolta and give the Sony to my wife (she's small and it suits her perfectly). The new camera will be for me. I like shooting mostly sports. 70% outdoors (softball, bikingl, etc) as well as landscape (mountains, etc) and 30% indoors (kids volleyball and swimming). I am not currently doing it for money, but do plan on possibly starting.I have 2 questions:1. It seems the A77 and A77ii would fill my needs equally. But, is the A77ii worth the extra $300 (I've found both NIB and thinking long term)?2.Just to verify, my lenses will fit on both cameras, correct? I can't afford to change all my lenses. Thanks for any guidance you can give me.
Lenses will work.The a77 II is much better concerning High ISO and Autofocus of moving subjects. So I would urgently recommend the a77 II !
Vitruvius: Top of page 4 - the SLT mirror does NOT redirect 1/3 of the light. It is about 1/3 of a stop of light.
Interesting that they would NOT have included the on-sensor phase detect AF from the a6000 in this camera in addition to the SLT AF sensors. I have about 7000+ actuation shooting action with my A77 and the AF tracking is actually very poor even with fast lenses and SSM / HSM.The only reason I would have spent an extra $400 on the new A77ii was for the same AF system as the a6000. I wonder why they would not have included this on the A77ii? If it is the same sensor why can't they combine the information from both AF systems? But I guess we will have to see how they compare.
The On-Sensor AF-Sensors like in the a6000 or a99 are not that big, sensitive, fast and optimzed as explizit AF-PD-Sensors.So the a6000 AF-System is really great for such a compact mirrorless camera but the a77II is even better and even more suitable for sports action.
CameraLabTester: Canon should replace the EOS M disaster with a newer body model instead on newer lenses.
New lenses, no matter how brilliant they are, are just bricks when mounted on the quagmire designed EOS M.
Come out with an upgrade for EOS M, then maybe consumers will call on the deal.
It is also your responsibility, Canon, to issue relevant and important FIRMWARE UPDATES to those who have been suckered into buying the EOS M incomplete camera. They deserve your support.
M2 is nothing compared to a6000...
It seems like Canon spent some $ of their enormous marketing budget for dpreview to have them delay a full review of the a57 as it would excel the EOS 650D for sure ...
Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure but something is strange here ...
Now the a57 won the EISA award "Best SLR camera 2012/2013" and still no full review ? It's not just some petty toy but the best camera in it's class! A full review would be obvious...