raimaster: Nice picture in small scale but not in larger, obviously too much noise for modern FF camera ISO = 100 :( As i said, its nice picture but camera with sony sensor can do better job in this situation.
By the time this ships I'll bet Sony will have announced one. Nikon will have something in this range in testing and Pentax will probably launch at 36MP.
There's zero chance Canon will be alone in this space for long. Sony are the biggest sensor fab and they're likely waiting until the Canon is in the wild to ensure their offering beats it. Canon have been brewing this so long I'd guess the other players are curious to know if they've taken a leap. Unfortunately it looks as if they haven't.
lightmatters: Canon makes me frustrated. Their sensor's DR is inferior but their lenses are superior.But you know what, if their sensor's DR is just good as others then there will be no competition at all.
Superior to what? Canon make some great lenses but so do Nikon, Leica and Zeiss. With Canon and Nikon it's often the newer lens which is best, regardless of brand. When both lenses are old Nikon are often superior - the 200mm F2 and 14-24mm being old and still better than their Canon equivalents by a noticeable amount.
Canon are a great company but the 'L' brand is a marketing stunt. There is no Nikon premium brand or marking, but many of their lenses are spectacular. I have Pentax LTD's which I'd take over many Canons too, while I'd acknowledge that Canon's 70-200 is the best in that range.
Don't believe the hype.
tabloid: In 3 years time this product will cost $100
Your numbers are off. It'll be 3-500 in 3 years. Meanwhile people will have had it for 3 years.
Apple have topped out at 1TB for about 3 years now in SSD. The drops aren't happening as fast as you imagine.
Mike921: Rugged? LaCie? I'm still laughing...
I've been using Lacie drives exclusively for over a decade. I've lived on 4 continents and travel internationally about once a month on average. I've suffered data loss twice, never with an SSD and only when drives travelled in the hold. I wouldn't expect perfect reliability from any drive, Lacie seem plenty tough to me. I've never bought a 'tough' drive either.
Andrew Butterfield: I wonder why Nikon won't pit the technology from this into a proper mirrorless camera with an APS-C sensor. I guess before too long they'll have to.
You are misinformed. 1.2 is 1.2. It's about the ability to gather light, and thus shoot in low light. DOF is different and field of view something else and affected by sensor size.
The lenses you list have similar fields of view. The Depths of field are all different, that's not affected by sensor size, and the light gathering abilities are wildly different.
You are suggesting they're equivalent. They are not.
You are missing the point. Aside from the Sony camera's being lens poor they require much bigger glass. Where's the 85mm equivalent 1.2 for the Sony? Or 1.4? How big is it? What about an 800mm equivalent in a native mount with stabilization?
Sony know APS-C is going to go away as they have the A7 line which is barely bigger and their best camera, the RX1.
1 inch sensors can produce output better than any APS-C and most full frames given time based on the math (look at Bclaff's site). Though you can improve the sensors, you can never make a Nikon 1 size lens for a full-frame sensor.
Nikon are thinking of a mount to last 30 years or more. Sony abandon mounts and formats every three years. The drives are different.
If there were 1.4 primes for Sony's E-mount I'd buy one but there aren't. It's a shame.
Nukunukoo: Deliberately slowing the 4K to just 15fps (as opposed to it taking 20MP photos at 20fps???) it's nice to know how oblivious Nikon is regarding the current market. They are not being competitive, they are just surfing on their own hubris because they are Nikon! And WOW look at how handsome our camera is!!!!!!!!
And now, for essentially a little bigger body, way bigger BSI sensor, 8 extra megapixels, more available lenses, full 4K and most likely cheaper when the J5 is out, the Samsung NX500 is a way better deal.
On a positive note, the J6 will have 4K at 24fps next year.
Panasonic, Sony and Samsung thanks you.
The speed of the 4K is about heat.
The only company which can put 4K in a small body is Panasonic. Sony can't do it in their much bigger, video focused, A7S - you need an external recorder.
The V4 may be able to run faster but the heat dissipation is a serious issue. You either need a bigger body, or a cooler processor. Plus the computational overhead drains the battery.
Nikon lead the field with the CX sensor size. It predates Sony.
They are right to do it at this size. 1 inch sensors will eventually be better than any APS-C you can buy today and equal to many FF sensors of 2015. That's good enough.
Solving the quality problem with bigger sensors means bigger glass and that's a non-starter. APS-C is the odd size. We're going towards a world of MF bodies the size of the D4, 1DX and S2 with big lenses, phones for 99% of things, and then small EVIL cameras for enthusiasts. APS-C is just a stop-gap which provides good quality while the tech improves.
I have a V3 which isn't as good as my APS-C bodies in raw quality, but beats them cold for speed, size and handling. If you're not a pixel peeper, 1 inch sensors are totally capable today.
Plus with fast glass you get a speed advantage APS-C can't match.
Petroglyph: Here is what I'd like to see:
At least 36MP FF Sony sensor with IBIS & pitch/roll stabilizationSelectable LPF – Off,Low,HighNew AF systems with AF points well spread out over the frameTaV modeOption to select minimum shutter speed based on 200000 mtbf 1/8000 quiet shutterAll magnesium and stainless steel frameFocus peaking on LCD with MF magnified focus assistTilting LCD screenPhysical IBIS available during video captureCenter 3 AF points focus to -3EVAll AF points will focus a f/8 lensControl layout similar to K36.5 fps burst 30 36MP raw files buffer9 fps in 16MP 'crop mode'Crop mode outlines the crop area in the VFOperating temp -10 to 45 C1 CF card and 1 SDXC card slotbuilt in wifi & GPSAF during videoSensor shift astro-tracker with optional O-GPS USB-3 & hdmi out3.5 headphone jackstereo micro phone with wind-cutdiffraction correction, HDR, lens correctionAuto PDAF fine tune operation / CDAF/PDAF comp stored1/250 flash sync
There is nothing impossible about full frame coverage with AF. You must mean using traditional PD systems. However the poster you quote says new AF which could mean contrast detection or on-sensor systems. You could also do it with a pellicle mirror or prism.
PicOne: why do nikon and sony users underexpose by 4 stops?
If you think that you're confusing brightening with exposure. A correct exposure reveals what you as the photographer wants. If that means preserving highlights and making the rest of the image dark that isn't under-exposed, it's a correct exposure.
Brightening occurs in post and how far you can go depends on the quality of the sensor and its dynamic range.
Thus Nikon and Sony shooters, who have more dynamic range to play with than Canon shooters at present, can brighten their images much more without introducing unworkable noise.
daddyo: Sorry Nikon, but this seems like a bad joke. If you compare image quality between this and the Olympus E-M10, it's not even close. The E-M10 with 14-42mm lens goes for $799 right now, and includes a built-in EVF.What am I missing here?
LGJim (3 days ago)
BTW, just how good is that lens that comes with the V3 ?
The true speed of the V3 is 20fps with focus. It's astounding. Easily faster than the Canon 1DX and Nikon D4S. You have to see it to believe it.
Interestingly it's not action I use it for. It's for kids and groups. When you have a limited time to pose or capture the difference between eyes open or smiling is huge. This allows you to say 'Smile', shoot for a second, and get the best result. Else you're guessing, trying to hit the shutter when the child finally turns, and often missing. Given the lack of movement between frames at that speed, compositing 20-40 images is easy too.
As the the stock lens. I'll admit I've never mounted it. I use the 18.5 which is a great 50mm, the 32mm which is amazing period, the 10mm - good not great, the amazing wide zoom and the 70-300. It's a tiny kit that fits in a messenger bag, weights nothing and can do almost anything.
Retzius: Image quality is sub-par for the price point.
If I am going to drop $1200 on a camera I want the image quality to reflect that.
I can buy Nikon's own D7100 for the same money for far superior image quality.
If Nikon had released this at $799 I think they would have created a lot more 1 system shooters.
image quality can only be measured if you have an image. The V3 allows you to capture images no camera under $5,000 can.
That's the value. It's niche but it's real.
You're missing speed. I can afford to buy any camera I want. I have a V3 because there's nothing faster (I mean nothing - seriously). I'd rather get the shot, with a little noise or grain, than miss it.
I love m4/3rds lenses but I don't own a camera yet because for compact image quality APS-C still has them beat (and likely will forever). For speed bigger cameras have them beat (and the V3).
Thus for me - and many others - the only option for DSLR speed and tiny size is the Nikon 1.
Of course those who think burst modes are 'cheating' will tell you 10fps is 'enough'. However there are things I can do with 20-60 fps you can't do any other way.
nerd2: If we consider just the DOF and price
85mm f1.8 for FF = 56mm f1.2 for APS = 42.5mm f0.95 for m43(4/3 stop and 2/3 stop difference between FF - APS and APS - m43)
NIkkor 85mm 1.8G = $499Fuji 56mm 1.2 = $999 Leica 42.5mm f1.2 = $1499
I heard that all lenses are quite sharp at wide open - so this fuji lens has pretty good value, even compared with larger format lenses.
Penicillin wasn't discovered by crackpots before Fleming. You're claiming that because mold was used for treatment penicillin was known. It wasn't. The same fools using mold as a cure were poisoning themselves with innumerable junk 'cures' also.
You're avowedly unscientific. You claim that your own eyes are more important than blinded tests. You claim that you can detect differences in things repeated tests have shown people can't. You have no scientific support for those claims.
You started by claiming Zeiss glass records color that Nikon lenses don't, that you can detect the difference by eye, and that the difference can't be corrected for in post.
All of that is nonsense.
MrSkelter: This is a great way to distort your colors, add noise and simulate grain. Thank christ I shoot my D800 at base ISO.
I hope in version 7 they can emulate using uncoated lenses and perhaps defocus due to film curvature. I'm dreaming obviously but, if it all took a day and a half to process like film development, and we occasionally lost everything due to light-leaks I'd finally be a happy man.
I'm all for filtering and editing. I just don't see why flaws need to be rehabilitated as assets. Grain isn't desirable, it was just unavoidable. Nostalgia for something doesn't make it art, it's just old.
Also a believer in 'alternative medicine' - I'm shocked.
It's a pity that for 100 years before the discovery of penicillin people died en-masse from simple bacterial infections. Quacks have been drinking mercury and doing energy healing for centuries. That it convinces people like you doesn't make it smart or valid. You can't ret-con facts.
The thread speaks for itself. You're the audiophile, cameraphile - a 'phile let's say. Team John of God, Psychic and Homeopathy. I'm with Sagan, Tyson and science.
Fine with me.
You're saying that film captures something digital doesn't because it distorts things more and that distortion is how we see.
That's not true.
There's nothing 'natural' about the distortions of film. You're just used to them. Just as the 'sound' of vinyl is just compression and distortion some people like.
It's fine to love the look of film. It just means you're old or nostalgic. It's rubbish to suggest it's a true representation of reality because it's distorted.
None of the benefits of film, like high dynamic range with soft clipping, can be added by a filter. These filters only add the stuff film shooters spent careers trying to avoid.
The more you write the worse you look. Wine container - you're right. I was clearly talking about a feedbag which is what people normally drink from.
I've offered you a chance to back down. I'm going to exit the thread victorious to allow you time to flail and equivocate.
You find your delusions too comforting to let go of. If you'd read any of the links I'd posted you'd be smarter now and would have let the idea that a wine 'aerates' in a glass go.
I'm almost disappointed. You seem to be into every pseudo-science going. Are you a fan of alternative 'medicine' too? Do you believe in ghosts? It's the 1400's in your house I'm guessing.
I'm telling you the facts don't agree with your biases.
I mentioned wine glasses, you move the goalposts.
"Does wine taste better out of different shaped glasses? Yes - if you think it will. Just as expensive wine tastes better than the cheap stuff if you know it's expensive. It doesn't make any of those perceived differences real."
What are your easily repeatable results? You saying "There's a difference" when you're unblinded?
Now meat? I eat grassed beef exclusively. Could I tell a difference in taste double blind? Maybe.
You clearly thrive on backing your choices with bogus "obvious" differences. I enjoy nice things for reasons I can back.
It must suck to be so insecure. I pity you.
I promise you. Try being tested. You'll fail on the coke and you'll also fail on the wine. The 'massive' difference caused by the glass is in your head.
However it's pointless trying to educate someone who's outlook is pre-scientific.
"If my senses agree with other tests, then my senses are indeed scientific." - HowaboutRAW
You're just not very well educated.
As for wine glasses? A glass that narrows towards the top makes them easier to smell. That's it. Check the research.
This is you on the other hand - pure nonsense.
Shall we do audio next?