fatdeeman: Unfortunately the output seems awfully similar to my Canon 60d, the noise levels are intrusive even at low iso with very limited potential for adjustments before even more of it is stirred to the surface.
The level of detail is impressive but I can just tell those files won't stand up to even some levels and contrast tweaking before getting unpleasantly gritty, especially in the mid tones and shadows. I don't think anyone was expecting this to do wonders at high iso but it should be better than it is lower down the range.
I can't help but feel this camera is going to look pretty stupid when the A7rII comes out and I say that as a Canon user.
"Even DXO mark give these cameras the highest sensor ratings of all Canon Dslr " - yes, but that isn't saying much, they are barely better than most DX Nikon bodies."
I thought a DR of 12 or better was excellent by DXO standards. This is 12.4 so clearly in the excellent category by DXO definition plus the highest resolution of any 135 format camera.
Here we go again.
mpgxsvcd: I am confident that Nikon can figure out a way to make a DSLR in the future that rivals this camera at least in stills performance. I have no confidence whatsoever than Canon can do the same.
It almost seems like Canon thought the 5D MKII was the “end all be all” and so they stopped trying to make a camera that was exceptionally better than it. Sony is happy to pick up where they left off back in 2008.
@plasnu How am I killing Canon? What did I say that amounts to supporting Canon? I simply told the truth. I own 3 Nikon DSLRs and 10 Nikon lenses. I also own 4 Canon DSLRs and 8 Canon lenses so I don't consider myself a fanboy of either brand. I am a realist and I do not think very many people will be paying $3200 for the camera plus $400 for an adapter to gain access to a decent quantity of lenses, no matter what they say in the forum. The Sony is a technological marvel that a relative handful of people will actually buy. Meanwhile the entry level cameras will sell by the pallet load.
@Thematic My reply was actually target toward mpgxsvcd but what time frame would you like for me to put down in my calendar to see if Canon has followed the path of Kodak? 6 months, a year, two years? Given Sony's history of changing mounts, lousy service, inscrutable menus, and dropped products, I predict they will be out of the camera business before Canon. For all their technology, it's not exactly like Sony has been making money with their camera division. I know Canon profits are down (as are both traditional camera companies actually making profits), but they are still making substantial profit from their camera division.
I am confident that every new product announcement no matter the company will end up being a bash Canon party. I am also confident that Canon will still sell more DSLRs than any other company. I am also confident that their camera division will remain the most profitable.
Timbukto: Is the xxArray just a tech demo or a commercially successful product? It boggles my mind that they can create an instant way to put someone into a video game using 68 tethered DSLRs...yet *no* company has truly made compelling tethered wi-fi controls to tablets or smartphones. Simply mind-boggling the priority they have. I would have said previously that they didn't have the resources to do it...but apparently they have enough software engineering or resources to pour into a game where you seek out D610s? Reality Check...put some *intelligent* features into your camera's and people will be seeking out D610's in reality and not a video game.
Apple may have had vision and innovation, but it was an infusion of cash by Microsoft that saved Apple.
DotCom Editor: Either lead, follow, or get out of the way. This guy appears to be leading. Canon, not so much.
Canon continues to lead where it matters...sales and profits.
BayAreaWZ: It really is interesting that no other companies have come up with a similar product to challenge the RX100 and RX1. I love the concept of the RX10 (but not the price) and have an A7 on pre-order. Keep up the pressure!
Probably because Sony is not making money in their camera division. Why copy something that is not profitable?
roustabout66: Good looking camera but $2750.....GOOD GRIEF!!
I do not see many cameras selling for $6000 and compared to a D800 it is not a bargain.
Good looking camera but $2750.....GOOD GRIEF!!
JimBob0: Is anyone here a real photographer? You know, someone who actually takes good photographs? Or does everyone just argue about minor specification details that no one will ever see or notice in a photograph?
I'm beginning to worry that too many commentators can only take a good photograph if they have the very best camera to do it rather than actually having the skill or talent to take a good photo in the first place.
Too many dull nerds here.
I have noticed that the more emphasis people put on specifications and minutia, the less likely they are to show ANY photos...no less interesting ones.
Good size, cute camera, good picture quality, interesting lens, I think Canon has another big seller!
roustabout66: So we do not have an answer for why MLU is not used with Canon tests when it increases apparent sharpness? As far as I know you have to go all the way to the 7100 class of Nikon to get a true MLU which can be used for shooting. If it is a feature Canon includes why not show it? Why penalize them?
Not a true MLU.
So we do not have an answer for why MLU is not used with Canon tests when it increases apparent sharpness? As far as I know you have to go all the way to the 7100 class of Nikon to get a true MLU which can be used for shooting. If it is a feature Canon includes why not show it? Why penalize them?
Why has DPReview stopped using mirror lock up on the Canons? Hopefully it is not to "level the field" with the intentionally crippled Nikons since that would penalize Canon for including features others leave out. I think the T2I compares VERY favorably with any of the APSC cameras, even those with 24 megapixels in terms of sharpness. I had always assumed the extra crispness was because you used MLU on the T2I test.
Dennishh: Looks like Corel has just launched Corel graphics Suite 6 which includes Corel capture and Corel PhotoPaint 6. I just started testing PhotoPaint 6 and can't believe what an improvement it is. It is 64-bit and blazing fast also has the ability to use Photoshop style work place. Couldn't be better timing on Corel part as far as I'm concerned. The whole suite costs under $500. I would imagine Corel would launch Photo Paint six as a standalone. It's been years since I even looked at Corel but I'm now giving it a serious once over. http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4260069&cid=catalog20038&segid=5700006
I downloaded the Corel trial yesterday but have not installed it yet. I thought the NIK products were included in the program...are these included versions out of date or did I read it wrong?
I just checked and Paintshop Pro X5 Ultimate includes NIK Color Effects 3 in the product for $69.99 Quite a deal if it is even remotely capable...good bye Adobe :-)
calxn: As long as CC is not forced onto LR only users, it should be fine. Once they do this to LR too, there will be many options out there, that while not as good, will do fine. Capture One, Aperture, others. I simply don't find I need Photoshop anymore. I do everything in LR. Adobe understands the workflow software for photography is still a little competitive. They don't have a monopoly there like they do in photoshop.
For features in Photoshop that people can't live without, there will be new plugins developed for LR to handle those.
First, they have already said they will restrict innovation in the stand alone version vs the CC version and may move Lightroom to CC as well.Second, why would we want to reward Adobe for this action by continuing to purchase Lightroom or Elements? There are many RAW converters out there and in my opinion ACR did not do as good of a job with Canon files as DPP.....more features but the output was not as good in my opinion. Nikon files were a different story.
rrr_hhh: "The negatives in the so-called 'Mexican suitcase' were from Capa's coverage of the Spanish Civil War. He travelled to Spain in 1936 and shot hundreds of rolls of film during the conflict, which these days is relatively little-known outside Spain."What !? Relatively little-known ? This can only be true for the Americans who were brainwashed by years of anti-communist propaganda and whose government cared for good relationships with fascist Franco government.
This tragedy is well known in the EU, where official government kept quiet while the progressists and democrates were massacrated. The controversy is still raging in Spain, where the history of those crimes need to be revisited.
Count me as part of the "dumb brigade" but maybe you can enlighten me. How many of his own citizens did Stalin kill? How many of their own citizens did the Khmer Rouge kill? How many of their own citizens have the Communist Chinese killed?
roustabout66: Why does this continue to be called a "dust" issue? From what I have read here it seems to be some sort of lubricant (oil) or debris from parts rubbing (scraping) against one another. There were pictures in one post (sorry I don't have the link) showing what appeared to be contact marks inside the mirror box. If it were simply "dust" why does it seem to accumulate at the same spot on the sensor? While cleaning oil and debris from the sensor may be a pain, I would think the real issue is what impact will this debris have long term on the shutter and mirror mechanisms. Will we see a rash of repairs down the road similar to the infamous D70 BGLOD?
Yeah, that is exactly my point. Crud on the sensor is easy to detect since it shows in pictures. I would think crud in the shutter train would only be seen if you dis-assemble the shutter mechanism...same with the mirror mechanism.
You bring up an excellent point, is it also getting inside the camera where you can not see it?
Why does this continue to be called a "dust" issue? From what I have read here it seems to be some sort of lubricant (oil) or debris from parts rubbing (scraping) against one another. There were pictures in one post (sorry I don't have the link) showing what appeared to be contact marks inside the mirror box. If it were simply "dust" why does it seem to accumulate at the same spot on the sensor? While cleaning oil and debris from the sensor may be a pain, I would think the real issue is what impact will this debris have long term on the shutter and mirror mechanisms. Will we see a rash of repairs down the road similar to the infamous D70 BGLOD?