rallyfan: My only reservation has nothing to do with lens selection, as I don't care at all about shallow DOF.
It has to do with Samsung customer service.
The Canon reps have always been relatively responsive. Also the Oly people.
The camera itself seems absolutely great; finally something that can track moving objects in real life.
Honestly if you wish to stop down most modern lenses are pretty sharp. I compared my Sony 18-55mm lens to my Carl Zeiss 24-70mm f2.8 and wide open the CZ is sharper but once you go to f5.6 the differences are negligible.
So try the Samsung kit lenses or get a prime lens like the 30mm f2 or 45mm f1.8 as both are very sharp once you stop down.
Customer service wise I have no idea though.
forpetessake: Pretty good results. But everybody asking the question, where are the lenses?
Agreed, They have almost all the lenses most people would want.
A few holes which could use some plugging are an UWA other than the 12-24mm which just isn't wide enough for me.
A wildlife zoom lens. Something like a 100-400mm or 150-500m mm type zoom.
A longer 100mm type macro lens.
And lastly a telephoto prime longer than the 300mm coming out. Don't think the last one will sell but it would be a showcase lens to show that Samsung can make such lenses and their system is mature enough.
Oh and they need a more robust flash system.
Everlast66: I am surprised how the NX1 (£1300 in the UK) got a higher mark for 'value' compared to the K3 (£700) and K5 II (£500) that have half its price?!?
Supposedly it has 2-3 times more/better features for its price to get a higher mark for value.
Indeed it has some unique features like the BSI APSC sensor, powerful processior, 4K video, but the K3 and K5 II have some features that the NX1 lacks, like in-body stabilisation, Pentax shooting modes, some unique ergonomic touches and the available lens line-ups are not even comparable.
The Pentax K3 doesn't have any half decent video functionality while the Samsung has some of the best video around.
Plus Pentax has nothing like the 16-50mm f2 - 2.8 or the Samsung 50-150mm f2.8 OIS lens. The Pentax 16-50mm f2.8 and 50-135mm f2.8 are old outdated optics and not in the same league.
Not saying the Pentax is bad or something just not in the same league as the NX1 with 16-50mm f2-2.8 + 50-150mm combo.
martindpr: An excellent combo! What I didn't like in the review though was that you keep referring to this format of sensors as "crop". Crop (as crippled, and coined by Canon to distinguish a "sub" frame from "full" frame for marketing purposes) is not any more an appropriate word. Crop from what? From 35mm "FF", from "medium" format, or from large format film, or those ancient 8x10 slides? Try referring to it as 24mm film or APS-C, as the lenses developed by Samsung are compatible only with the 24mm frame, therefore with its full frame of the 24mm sensor frame. Btw, speaking of the "kit" lens, it's a great lens equivalent to fast normal 35mm zoom lens of aperture f/3.2-f/4, which is fast. Take the ISO100 RAW file and give it a bit of sharpness in LR or other converter and it's stunning, almost equal result to the Nikon D800. Also, the diffraction limit isn't that much of an issue, as it only constricts the smaller aperture resolution and not the larger aperture maximum resolution.
^^ Actually the market share of APS-C is dwindling. With 35mm cameras becoming more affordable more and more people are picking them up. The A7 has revolutionized 35mm cameras since you can easily adapt old manual lenses if the native lenses are very expensive.
Once 35mm cameras cross the $1k barrier then APS-C cameras will reduce even further in market share.
kape06111: Why is there no size comparison, with other mirrorless camera. Or even with DSLR? I mean to have a better sense of the weight and volume.
Go to camerasize.com. An awesome website. :)
Miike Dougherty: If only I could mount all my Nikon mount lenses on it. New, electronic adapter anyone?
^^ Sadly no. No adapter exists currently to control the a G lens aperture via the camera. You get Canon adapters for Sony and m43 but no such adapter is available for Nikon lenses.
Check Metabones which makes adapters for practically everything. As of now there isn't any adapter for Nikon G lenses. THere is one with a built in aperture but that doesn't work properly at all.
IvanM: Now why doesn't Canon go and buy this sensor for their apsc models??? As a Canon user I have to admit I am a little bit jealous of this camera! I hope it sells by the ton!
Canon so far designs it own sensors. Nikon on the other her hand picks up sensors from wherever they can get it be it Toshiba, Sony, aptina or anyone else.
aarif: but why sigma doesn't make lenses for samsung? would have made life easier
Most likely samsung mount is closed to competition. Cause I am sure sigma could easily adapt their Sony aps c lenses to samsung if samsung allowed competition. M43 is an open mount standard and sony has also shared it's e mount specs so anyone can make af lenses for the mount
It is called crop since you have to multiple the focal length to get an equivalent 35mm field of view. Same with medium format. An 800mm lens on medium format is more akin to a 50mm lens on 35mm film. Same goes for small sensor camera phones too. Like it or not 35mm film is the baseline standard to mention focal length and anything smaller than 35mm sensors are considered crop cameras.
taktak91: Judging from the review, it's a very capable camera.Too bad it's not sold everywhere like other brands.I won't purchase a $2000+ camera if I can't see it in person first.
Completely agree. People spending thousands of dollars in something they haven't even seen makes little sense to me. I bought only one camera so far without ever seeing it and I regretted it. Nothing was majorly wrong with it but a few niggles here and there completely ruined the experience for me.
It's OK if you live in some remote area with no access to try out cameras but even in my so called third world country I have the option of trying most cameras with the exception of Samsung and pentax.
KingOfAtlantis: I like that this camera pushes other companies harder because I could never own a Samsung product. Don't support design theft :P
^^ They leave a bad taste in my mouth too !!! So do Sony Nikon and Canon lenses. They are too big to fit in my mouth and are probably best served by attaching them to a camera body instead of shoving them into my mouth !
Pancake lenses however are great ! Or was that just pancakes ?
Nope. There so far doesn't exist a proper electronic adapter to use Nikon lenses on any other system. So currently only non G lenses can be used with other systems.
mugupo: Problem is that Samsung had not drop any price at NX1 despite been out for a while. The $1300 price can get your a good refurb d610. and a open box a7 with the kit lens !
@mugupo - This camera has a lot of strengths. I have the Sony A7 and while I absolutely love its IQ, it doesn't have the video capabilities or even the AF capabilities of this camera. The NX1 is simply in a different league compared to the A7.
To be fair I love the 'look' of the A7 and wouldn't trade it for the NX1 but for anyone needing even a reasonable amount of tracking AF like say shooting a school or college basketball game they are going to be out of sorts with the A7.
Similarly anyone needing 4k video or even good HD video is going to be badly served by the D610.
mpgxsvcd: I really thought that this was going to be a very interesting camera until I saw the price. $2500 for a 1 inch sensor 12 megapixel camera? No Thanks.
It has some nice features but there are so many better ways to spend $2500. They also never mention when this is going to be released. If it is like all of their other announcements lately then we can expect to see this camera on shelves by September or October at the latest. There will probably be new Sony and Panasonic products that compete with this that are announced and ship before then.
The Sony doesn't come with a lens. If you get the 28-135mm f4 Power Zoom lens it will set you back another $2k and it still won't have the range of this Canon.
But yes the Panasonic Z1000 seems like kickass VFM compared to this.
Androole: Isn't this a pretty direct FZ1000 competitor? Similar features, worse lens, better video bitrate?
Maybe but its shape is more suited for video and it has a much larger battery so can shoot for much longer so most people buying this cam will do it for video rather than stills.
Though this really should have had a power zoom.
Zoron: Can't they make a 24-35mm F2.0 zoom....50-85mm F2.0.....kinda 2 prime lenses in one....a 1.45X zoom & a 1.7X zoom
I don't think they can do that. If they could Canon or Nikon would have made something like that for their pro cameras. Even if it cost a bomb there would be interested people especially those who have bought 1dx and d4s cameras.
JeanPierre Thibaudeau: Exceptional colour rendition, nicely detailed even if a bit soft.
I wonder what mostly gives these beautiful colours, the body or the lens?
Anyway, a wonderful combo.
^^ No its the camera. I use a Sony A37 and A55 both have a 16 MP sensor but I can't get the same type of colors from the A37 than I can get from the A55 even if I match the white balance and exposure.
I also have a A7 and A7 II. There however there are more similarities than differences and color differences are minor.
straylightrun: Not bad for a FF superzoom that starts at 24mm, but the RRP is crazy.
Not as bad as the Canon 28-300mm L but yes still very expensive IMO.
Since the long end is generally not terribly sharp I am sure a lot of people would prefer a 24mm starting focal length to a 28mm focal length.
^^ Actually they used both the A7 II and the A7r for these tests
adengappasami: For the price the quality looks pretty ok. Yes its not technically perfect, but considering the size and prize it looks like a winner.
Waiting to get hold of one.
Interested in the 90mm as well.
^^ You are also assuming that the zoom will match the prime in IQ or speed.
Honestly large lenses like a 24-70mm f2.8 are not very nice to use on a small mirrorless camera. I don't like using my Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 with adapter on the A7 as it just feels odd.