sharkcookie: 8% wider than the Nikon 12-24, but the Nikon is twice as fast (one stop equals double the light). The Canon is 50% more expensive.
No I think he meant the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 as that is twice as fast as the Canon. But 8% wider figure is very misleading as in UWA territory every mm counts. 8% extra at tele end will be negligible but at wide end its a huge difference.
Canon has won this round in the UWA lens fight and with their new 50 MP camera will make for a killer landscape kit.
ttran88: I'm a current K5iis and A7 shooter and if this FF camera comes with an EVF I will make this my next camera. Almost certain will come with a Sony sensor, same as D750 with Pentax pixie dust. I wonder if the 3 FA limited lenses will go up in value now?
Yeah they should launch a mirror less variant.
Zvonimir Tosic: Pentax HD 70-200 has a new super-fast SDM motor, not DC.And as one user said, this new 70-200mm F2.8 lens may just out perform anything ever made in that classification of lenses by any manufacturer.It has 4 anomalous dispersion lenses + 2 ED lenses + 2 super ED lenses: for a total of 8 fancy ED style lenses, covered in all the latest and best coatings in the industry. Pentax pulled out all the stops on this one.
This lens is a game changer in this category.
One measly lens will hardly be considered a game changer.
The Canon/Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 lenses are already so bitingly sharp even wide open that there is little for the Pentax to improve upon.
And with so many more FF bodies Canon and Nikon offer Pentax will have to come up with something really unique to make any major dent in the FF market.
I strongly believe this $2200 lens isn't going to sell very strongly in the market when
Gosman: Although I'm a K-3 user and in the process of upgrading my lens, I think Pentax is way too late for the full frame SLR. In a few years, all of us will be shooting mirrorless cameras. And the new price for their new lenses for full frame? We should just convert over to Nikon and Canon as the whole world has. Pentax at a niche market with the best crop sensor slr on the market. Now they will compete with the big boys.
^^ Mass migration ??? Whatever for ??? :P
Canon and Nikon already have a ton of FF compatible lenses are various price points available along with a host of 3rd party lenses available.
And now with mirrorless Full frame getting better and better the only real market for this camera will be mostly Pentax users and some new entrants.
But expecting mass migration of Nikon and Canon users is a bit too much !
forpetessake: Every company (modulo Olympus) is going to release FF cameras. The falling prices of the sensors and electronic parts are pushing the market in that direction. We'll eventually see all sorts of FF cameras -- compact and large, cheap and expensive, with fixed and interchangeable mount. Despite what the uneducated people believe, the size-weight characteristics of the lenses aren't significantly affected by the bigger sensor.
Stop looking at old film cameras and film lenses. Look at modern digital lenses which need large AF motors to be built into the lens along with stabilization elements etc.
I use an A7 and the lenses for it are pretty much DSLR like.
My friend has an m43 system and his lenses are truly compact.
Now I don't like the m43 IQ which is why I bought an A7 but I am fully aware size is always going to be an issue with a full frame system.
Why would Ricoh put an EVF in this camera ? Sony uses EVF out of necessity not because its a superior tech.
I would be most surprised if Ricoh came out with an EVF in the new Pentax camera.
Tom Nokin: The importance of this release will be decided by the correctness of Tamrons first point in their press release. If it is on par or close to the quality of Nikon 14-24 it will be a bestseller.
The Tamron is also better suited for astrophotography due to the 1 stop advantage.
Richard Murdey: "If autofocus, low light performance or resolution are higher priorities than size, then I'd encourage you to look at the GM5's highly capable APS-C peers."
What does autofocus have to do with sensor size?
Yes I also believe that this was a comparison to the A6000. The GM5 is best chosen almost purely for its diminutive size.
Honestly for the money Tamron is charging I would go for a Nikon 16-35mm f4 VR even though its not the best performer around.
Guaranteed compatibility and superior build quality plus the ability to take filters more than makes up for the 1mm & 1 stop advantage of the Tamron in my book.
DDWD: that is the problem with third party lenses. Yes glass may be good but the lens electronics will likely to have issues, if not now, it will be with the future bodies. Save your $$$ and buy OEM and never look back.
^^ As much as I like third party lenses (I have 2 Tamron's and one Sigma) there is no guarantee that 3rd party lenses won't cause issues with new body releases.
With Sony SLT system older Sigma lenses stopped working. If they were new Sigma lenses then Sigma offered to fix the issue for free but for older lenses you were out of luck.
So if Canon or Nikon changes the mount specs appreciable you are bound to see some issues with 3rd party lenses.
Kiril Karaatanasov: Did not Tamron notice that A7 Sony cameras except the A7 m2 lack built in stabilization ......there are not so many a99s floating around relative to the number of A7 cameras
Price and specs are very attractive. I would wait for a test or two to show up before buying. Seems a cheap affordable compromise lens rather than outstanding lens by the price tag.
It really is a surprising decision from Tamron. It may have been different if they were saving money but they aren't. The lenses have all the necessary functionality but its just disabled in the lens.
I read somewhere that they do this because Sony would accidently keep both IBIS and the lens based IS on simultaneously and it would reduce in slightly blurred images as both IS systems would counter each other.
Tamron has quite a few years to work on this lens over Nikon and is also slightly less wide so I am willing to wager that this lens will give the Nikon a run for its money if not even slightly beat it in some aspects.
Unfortunately Pentax has had their own share of issues with the SDM motors. OEM is no guarantee of zero issues.
Ben O Connor: I was hoping to see AF... Disappointment!
Now I'll search for M39, or M42 mouthed 200mm F2.8 or 135mm as well.
Considering Samyang has a grand today of zero AF lenses you really shouldn't get your hopes up for an AF lens from them anytime soon and you won't get disappointed in future.
Paul Auclair: sweet. improved IBIS.the only (and just slightly) eyebrow raiser for me was the 7II's IBIS performance being somewhat less than Oly's mirror-less offerings.
TroKMac - If Sony really designed the NEX cameras for FF they wouldn't have had the LA-EA1 and 2 adapters and would have come out with the FF compatible LA-EA3 and LA-EA4 adapters right from the start.
Robert Eckerlin: For me and my 70-year-old and relatively poor back: a Full Frame camera together with its heavier (zoom) lenses are just too heavy to take them along on long hikes. I will therefore stick to a good DX DSLR camera (in my particular case a follow-on to my beloved Nikon D5000 or perhaps a follow-on to the Nikon D7100).
...By the way: I would be ready to pay more for a good DX DSLR Camera and its lenses, if weighting less.
Yes I used to hate EVFs but was forced to get one since I was stuck with Sony. Now I have come to appreciate the advantages of EVFs and don't care for OVFs anymore. Shooting with a Canon 5D mk 3 I feel a bit handicapped with the OVF.
But yes to each their own.
Marty4650: It looks like Sony is getting serious about FE.
Smart move, on their part. I hope Canon and Nikon are paying attention.
Very APS-C users will be happy buying the 55mm f1.8 at $1k when the optically good 50mm f1.8 OSS sells for $350 with OSS.
Those looking into a compact system will not be very happy with larger and more expensive FE lenses.
It was bound to be less effective than the Oly implementation.
The Olympus uses a quarter frame sensor and also has a large diameter mount to work with.
The Sony FE mount wasn't even designed for FF. So the fact that Sony managed to put IBIS in their body is a feat.
I find it very strange you like the tiny viewfinder of an D5000 over a much larger EVF ! :P
But yes EVFs are improving everyday so you should try them again.
io_bg: Having read some of the comments I still can't get it why is everyone so obsessed with the DOF capabilities of fullframe cameras and always equalize it with other formats' DOF capabilities.
It depends on your type of photography. I love shallow DOF portrait work and I love large DOF landscapes.
I recently shifted to full frame and I am in love with the results.
Going to sell off all my APS-C gear now. :)
Some people were saying shift to medium format but medium format has crappy AF, limited lens options and flash options.
Its a small upgrade in IQ but a huge downgrade in so many other aspects. However the slightly larger size of FF gives me better IQ, and I don't really downgrade the AF, speed or responsiveness compared to APS-C.