Poss: I think the first casualty will be Leica and not Canon/ Nikon. Leica becomes now even more of a luxury fashion accessory like a Patek Philippe or a Zonda.
Why not just use Leica lenses with the far far cheaper A7r (with better IQ than that dated M9 sensor) ?
You will gain focus peaking for aiding in MF and high ISO performance will be far better.
Digitall: More +-5 years, and APS-C goes to vegetate in rare format DSLR bodies. APS-C format DSLR is doomed, now more than ever. Nostradamus was consulted and what he foresees :-)
There is a massive price difference between the cheapest NEX3N for $399 and this camera.
APS-C will be around for quite a bit more time especially with the FF lens prices.
MarkJH: The biggest unknowns I'd like answered: (1) lens performance and (2) the lens roadmap.
Because . . .
* If I'm spending $1000 for a normal f/1.8 or $800 for a shallow wide f/2.8, they'd better be deeply serious optics in every possible way--sharp wide open, nil CA, flare-resistant, gorgeous microcontrast and defocus, class-leading build and mechanics. Any way you slice it, $800 is a lot to pay for a 35mm f/2.8 lens in the era of the excellent Sigma 35mm f/1.4 "art" optic.
* If you photograph people, it's hard to be enthusiastic about a system that launches without a short (or any) tele prime or fast telezoom. It'd be useful to know if / when these are coming.
* Of course you could adapt A-mount optics (or others), but then we're also told this system's sensor microlenses are optimized for a short register distance. What impact does this optimization have on the performance of lenses adapted at a longer register?
Questions, questions, questions.
They don't wish to canabalize their RX1 sales. So they might come up with a 35mm f1.4 in future at a higher price. The 35mm f2.8 is probably to showcase how small the system can be. The lens weighs only 120 gms.
white shadow: SONY is going through its metamorphosis again. How many times do you think they have to do it before they turn into a swan while the world waits?
Any photographers out there want to take a chance with them?
Why chance ? Their DSLR A mount system is still alive and kicking. They launched the A99 only last year and they launched a A58 this year so this doesn't replace the A mount but adds another option for customers.
Klarth: Why does everyone wants VR on every lens?
Do you have Parkinson's?
I don't get why people complain about people wanting VR with f1.4 lenses. Do people not wish to stop down the lenses from time to time ? Its not unreasonable to get shutter speeds of 1/4 or slower where VR will help if you stop down to say f4 or f5.6 for more DOF.
brendon1000: I barely remember the time when 50mm lenses were among the cheapest premium glass you could afford. Now with the Zeiss 55mm f1.4 for $3k, the Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 for 1.5k and now the Nikon 58mm f1.4 for 1.7k those days seem to be long gone ! :P
Yeah almost all 50mm lenses available are not so hot at f1.4. This one should offer superb performance from f1.4 all the way up to f11 when diffraction starts to kill sharpness.
dav1dz: Why are these lenses so heavy? I understand the Zeiss may have premium glass but the 70-200 f/4 G? At 840 g it's not exactly mirrorless weight and is heavier than the Canon 70-200 f/4 IS!
Mirror-less lenses are small only for wide to normal focal lengths. Once you go past 85mm or so the sizes of lenses become as big as any normal DSLR. So the 70-200mm f4 OSS cannot be made any smaller for mirror-less.
dylanbarnhart: This puts an end to the body stabilization vs lens stabilization debate. Sony finally figured out it was a mistake to stabilize the sensor and now put OSS on the lens instead.
There is no space in the body to put a stabilized FF sensor !
They have bought a large stake in Olympus. Olympus gets the advantage of getting Sony sensors that Panasonic won't have access to while the only thing Sony would want from Olympus would be their excellent 5 axis IBIS system to use in their A mount system since the E mount lacks the space for a stabilized sensor.
Felix11: Is Sigma likely to start producing lenses like this (and the 50mm f1.4 EX DG HSM) in the new Sony FE mount for the A7?
If they did would we expect all features to work? ie. OIS, AF etc?
Or is it more likely that I would need to buy a Canon to FE adapter and a Canon mount version of this Sigma lens (and use MF)?
Sorry to hijack the thread to talk about Sony :-)
Most likely scenario is that it would be for A mount later on just like the 18-35mm f1.8.
You will need an adapter to use it for FE mount.
Sigma has made a few lenses for E mount so there is a small chance they will make some more lenses in future.
I barely remember the time when 50mm lenses were among the cheapest premium glass you could afford. Now with the Zeiss 55mm f1.4 for $3k, the Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4 for 1.5k and now the Nikon 58mm f1.4 for 1.7k those days seem to be long gone ! :P
jon404: Gee, those lenses are EXPENSIVE!
That new Pentax K-3 looks like a much better deal.
Completely different fov for the Pentax since it has a smaller sensor,, Compare with the Pentax 31mm f1,8
Rob Sims: As many have alluded to before me, this really seems like the spiritual successor to the R1. Yes, this is large when compared with other super-zooms, but the constant F2.8 24-200mm lens and 1 inch sensor make such comparisons a bit unfair.
Perhaps comparing its size/weight to an APS-C dSLR with a super-zoom lens (eg. 18-135mm) attached makes more sense - as I kind of see that being more the target market... the superzoomer who wants better image quality than the 1/2.3' offerings but isn't ready to get into EVIL or dSLRS yet.
In size/weight it wouldn't come off badly, however, that initial RRP will make it as niche a product as the R1 was!
The SL1 will have f5.6 at 135mm. Thats not f2.8 is light gathering but a good 2 stops slower.
Mirrorless Crusader: Annoyed that they gimped the FPS and no IBIS
Basically the sensor needs to move a few mm up/down and left/right. However the FF sensor has very little room to move considering Sony reduced the size of the NEX mount (compared to the A mount which supports FF sensors with stabilization).
ImagesInstyle: what happened to the adaptor that allows you to use your canon or nikon lenses on this body????
i hope sigma designs lenses for this FE Mount.I have the 18-35mm F1.8 for my canon 70D, and i L.O.V.E. that lens!!
Sony will never bundle such an adapter with their cameras !
You however get third party adapters. Some of the adapters allow rudimentary AF which is very slow while others are pure MF designs.
Photato: Dunno what is the obsession of going FF, especially with a new mount like this that requires new lenses to make sense.I hope Canon dith their EOS M and goes with one mount only for their mirrorless format, APS-H sensor seems ideal instead of running two formats like Sony is doing.APS-H makes a lot of sense due to efficient production costs when compared to FF. The price advantage.APS-H being the largest size sensor that can be imaged in one shot onto a wafer. Quality advantage over APS-C.
As others have said its the same mount as the older NEX cameras. Also Canon and Leica have both abandoned the 1.3x APS-H sensors so chances are no one will ever use that sensor format again.
Just a Photographer: Too bad that the largest apertures of their new lenses are so small.
A 35mm lens needs an maximum aperture of f1.4 at least not f/2.8.Same goes for the 24-70. Too bad that its largest aperture will be f4 instead of f2.8.
Otherwise a very interesting move of Sony.
They probably wanted smaller lenses to go with the smallish body.
Light Pilgrim: Question to people that might have answers:-)
I am indeed looking forward to something that is smaller than my 5D MKIII with lenses to use for street or when I do not feel like carrying my backpack with me.
This Sony thing is not really small and is almost as expensive. What is the advantage of this camera vs the DSLR like D800 or 5D MKIII?
First off its much cheaper than a D800 or 5D MKIII (talking about the A7r with 36 MP). Secondly its only some 450 gms so its much lighter than the 800g D800 .
supeyugin1: Looks like Sony is dumping their DSLRs/SLTs. That's a good move.
They just launched a 70-200mm f2.8 SSM II for the Alpha mount. So it looks like the SLT/DSLR will be around for some more time at least. No IBIS on these new cameras will also mean that all those Alpha lenses will lack stabilization when using the bulky expensive adapter.
^^ The size of the body makes zero difference to the room availalble for the sensor to stabilize as the flange and mount size will be the same.
So considering how flush the sensor is sitting on the camera there doesn't seem to be any room to move the sensor.
I believe that Sony launched the NEX line up with APS-C only thinking it will sell to amateurs only and so didn't take into account that they would be having FF sensors in future.
^^ Its a better deal if you are fine using a body thats twice the size, twice the weight and lesser IQ.