Gesture: Can't anyone figure out how to simplify the DSLR interface. Sadly, all OEMs are using comparable sub-subassemblies, locking them into archaic designs.
My point is if you continue with the tried and tested DSLR with all the clunky controls you will soon have a dead company in your hands plain and simple.
The Sony A mount is dead primarily for that reason while the E mount is gaining sales due to its consumer friendly tech like good video, simpler lenses with no buttons etc. If Pentax doesn't do anything different than Nikon or Canon why would anyone really want to buy their camera ?
^^ Unfortunately thats one of the reasons the DSLR sales are dropping every year. People are finding cameras too complicated to use and hence are sticking with their smartphones which are getting better and better every year by leaps and bounds.
Skyscape: "Less than 100 units" - translation: insane price.
@Daniel - I wager you use the Zeiss 135mm f2 with a DSLR camera. If you had tried with a mirrorless camera like the Sony A7 series you will find it much easier to use MF.
I tried shooting with a old Minolta 85mm f1.4 AF lens in low light using MF and I was surprised that I got a pretty good amount of photos in focus. That wasn't the case when I used the same lens on my DSLR camera a few years ago.
@Suntan - You are talking as if everyone will be happy with an old optic like the Nikon 135mm f2 DC. Its a pretty old optic and many people like using a more modern optic with better contrast.
Many people like extreme shallow DOF which is why a lot of portrait photographers still shoot with f0.95 lenses even though they are difficult to use.
Here is one wedding photographer who's work I like who uses the 50mm f0.95 a lot.
If I was given such a lens I am sure I would take a lot more OOF shots (same with this 135mm f1.4 lens). But in the hands of a good photographer they can do wonders.
If you are happy with cheaper older optics thats great. But there are plenty who aren't happy with run of the mill stuff and demand something that can make their photos stand out from the run of the mill photos.
People said the same thing for a 50mm f0.95 lens and yet people are taking some brilliant photos with the Mitakon 50mm f0.95 lens.
Some person will take brilliant photos with this lens too. Just that this one is a bit too heavy and not very affordable.
nir-vana: Hope to see this lens with native Sony FE mount.
^^ See the thing most of your solutions are mostly out of the box solutions. Magic Lantern is a camera hack and Canon itself discourages its use.
Focusing screens are getting harder and harder to replace. Already the 5d mark III has electronics embedded into the screen and hence Canon doesn't allow you to change the focus screen anymore. If you do it then you need to use a potentially camera damaging hack.
And its surprising you are saying DSLR hating is en vogue when you were trying to point out flaws in mirrorless systems and people were only trying to argue the points you yourself raised !
lacikuss: Sony version?
For video I agree an external monitor works best but if you need freedom of movement a monitor is very limiting.
Agree on the OVF. It is a better tool for tracking and shooting moving objects. EVFs are getting much better all the time but the lag you get when moving the EVF is a little disconcerting and I wouldn't like to shoot sports or any fast movements with an EVF.
That said I do prefer EVFs for almost everything else. I get to see the photo more or less how it turns out and I can even zoom into a photo I have just taken without taking my eye off the camera.
I used to get vowed whenever I used to use a nice big pentaprism FF camera like the 5D mk 3 which I rent often. However now I find OVFs to be a bit of a handicap to my shooting style. I miss so many advantages I am used to when I shoot with a 5D mk 3.
Now don't get me wrong. I still enjoy shooting with the 5D mk 3. Its a highly responsive camera and compared to my Sony A7 II its much faster while shooting. But OVF to EVF wise I am now firmly in the EVF camp.
@vscd - Your info seems to be really old and outdated.
The best camera LCD screens have 1229k dots while most EVFs have around 2359k dots and the newer Leica has double that amount.
Those finders you mentioned most people don't use them cause they make an already bulky combination even more bulky and most cameras live view AF sucks badly.
Nikon DSLRs can't easily swap OVF screens and swapping screens ins't even possible in cameras like the Nikon DF.
Your statement about the battery life is very correct. You get 1/3rd the amount of photos compared to a good camera but I always carry more than one battery and I can charge my camera with any micro USB charger that I use for my mobile phone.
^^ All the lenses that can be adapted to Canon are hardly useful as you get a completely manual experience. Manual focus, manual aperture control, no EXIF etc.
With Sony you get full electronic support for Canon lenses and with the A7rII you get very usable AF also. Not saying AF is brilliant and you can retire your 5d mk 3 but its not terribly shabby either.
And already a Nikon adapter is being developed so in a year or so you will get full AF with Nikon lenses as well.
Donnie G: I've seen a lot of complaints about this camera's size. I like its size. I believe that the size is necessary to eliminate heat issues, balance well with big pro glass, provide room for weather sealing, a large battery, and DSLR level ergonomics. The EVF seems to be pro grade too. I really want to like this camera, but Leica's quirky ergonomics are conspiring against it. I think we'll have to wait for a full frame mirrorless Canon or Nikon with their proven DSLR ergonomics and control placement before we see this level of mirrorless stills camera done right. You were so close Leica, but not close enough. :))
@dcolak - There is a big reason that there is a flapping mirror.
No mirror = no AF. A semi transparent mirror can work but then you will lose 1/3rd stop of light.
love_them_all: Metabones - please make an adapter for the SL lenses on the Sony (if it is possible). I am interested in the lenses but not the body. May be I'll just buy an aftermarket Leica name badge and glue it on top of the Sony LOL.
^^ No no thats the MF adapter which is color matched to the Leica body and is rebranded Metaleica in order to make it sound more premium.
^^ Ouch ! The tubelight in my brain just switched on ! :P
straylightrun: Sony, please take note.
^^ Agreed. As a Sony FE user I lust for such low cost small primes. The Sony 28mm f2 is not bad but its just one prime. Want a lot more !
^^ No thats not true. The EVF reads info directly from the sensor. A mirror is not required for having an EVF. The SLT mirror is there to transmit some light to the AF module near the EVF.
If the camera was a regular DSLR with just an EVF instead of OVF not much design changes would be required.
BigOne: Looks like it's also the largest and the heaviest.
^^ Considering the 3 other Sigma Art prime lenses, I wouldn't bet any money on it being a lemon. If you wish to do so I am sure you will be much poorer once the results are in.
naftade: Selling thins at moon prices is a well known marketing strategy. There are loads of folks who really dig the possibility to buy things only to show off. Take HUBLOT Watches for example.
For anyone else though, this is just ridiculous.
And then this abomination of a body - Incredible !!
You cant compare a swiss watch to this. My uncle has plenty of perfectly working swiss watches older than me while my drawer is filled with dead quartz and casio watches. This camera probably wont last more than 10 years max like any other camera.
4k video on Leica ! I feel I am dreaming !
Expensive if you don't value its speed or IQ.
If you don't need good IQ there are plenty of cheaper alternatives out there.
But Sigma - where's the love for Sony A7X users?
@Abdroole - I have used a Sigma 50mm f1.4 with an adapter on my A7 II. When it works it works but at times I get a communications failure and for 5 - 10 seconds the camera is unresponsive. Sometimes it comes back on its own.
Other times I have to remove and reinsert the battery. Can't remember when such a thing happened with any native lens.