My friend's M3 desperately needs a firmware upgrade. :(
Calvin Chann: I own the 25 and 85. I won't buy the 18. If they had come out with a 35 or 50, instant buy.
I like the design of the Batis.
There is currently a hole for a mid priced 35mm at around f2, or a 50mm now that Sony will release their own nifty fifty.
Honestly they are mid price. I wanted a 85mm for portraiture and the GM lens price was too terrifying for me. The Batis 85mm price wasn't that much better but the $600 difference was pretty significant.
And honestly the Batis is one of the sharpest 85mm lenses I have come across in recent times and it has IS/OSS to boot !
The GM would have probably been a bit sharper in the lab and have better bokeh but the color and contrast is top notch on the Batis
Yake: The shape of the lens is beautiful, but that smooth focus ring ... what's up with that? It almost says "Don't use me".
I have a Zeiss 85mm Batis and yeah the focus ring makes me want to stick to AF forever. :P
I used a Zeiss Planar 85mm some time back and damn it as much as I like AF that smooth focus ring could tempt me to use MF forever ! :(
Ace of Sevens: It better be a lot better than the SEL28F20 with the wide-angle adapters for that price.
I have the Sony 28mm f2 and its a decent lens at best. This Zeiss should be competing with the best.
Honestly if you are buying FF you should ideally equip the best glass else you are paying extra in both money and size for IQ that is not much better than APS-C with good glass.
bgbs: What's worse? Paying a criminal price for this camera, or taking off with one without paying for it?
Criminal price for this camera ? :P
Its not a luxury item like say a Leica. Its a professional tool and costs so much because it offers a sensor not available anywhere.
For demanding professionals at the top of their game its what they need to get the best IQ possible at this point in time.
Random Photographer: Wow a lot of people with buyer's regret here...
How about you shoot with what you have and not bash on something that's obviously different and honestly more innovative than that heavy glass prism box we no longer need but you still have.
And let's be real, Sony sensors are the only real deal on the market today. If you want them in a heavy body that you can sleep with at night, more power to you, but the fact is when Sony develops, everyone wins.
^^ No they are not. That is why you won't see anyone else using their 42 MP sensor for some time. Earlier they used to give Nikon preferential treatment and their best sensors were used on Nikon first like the 36 MP sensor. But now Sony is keeping their best sensors for themselves first before giving it to competition.
dr.noise: Wait... lossy RAW compression... again? Seriously?
This lossy compression issue is so old news. If experts hadn't brought that up I wouldn't have even known my cameras shoot lossy RAWs.
mailman88: Unscientific results, but looking at Bestbuy comments between the a6000 and a63000, the a6000 has a better customer approval rating.
Its pretty obviously. The A6000 was a cheaper camera and so had less demanding customers. At $1000 people are going to demand more from the camera.
Yxa: Nikon D7200 silver awardSony A6300 gold awardSome Sony bias here for sure
Ergonomics is very subjective. The whole reason m43 and Sony is selling mirrorless very well is testament to the fact that a lot of people don't want to carry around a bulky DSLR and want something more compact.
While the Sony FE series of lenses are pretty big the APS-C bodies and lenses are far more compact than say a D7200. So for many they would rather take something small than a big DSLR like the D7200.
sgoldswo: I don't see how you can rate a camera which has a clumsy user interface with a gold award. It makes the review irrelevant if you don't consider the user experience.
I always have this problem with high ratings for Sony and Panasonic cameras (which both have their moments of clunkyness in the user interface). If they require extensive customization, they simply aren't as much fun to use, however capable they are.
^^ You missed the point. HE doesn't like the UI BUT that is very subjective. So he will accede very little weight age on such a subjective point.
What is NOT subjective i.e. IQ, features, performance etc is where maximum weightage is given and over there Sony has no real rivals at its exact price point. It beats hands down its rival DSLR cameras at that price point and by a much lesser margin beats the m43 rivals like the EM-5 but offers a larger sensor and thus better IQ.
The Fuji's offer slightly better IQ BUT can't match the AF and are completely outspeced in the video department.
UI is down to usage. I didn't like the UI of my A7 II but I have customized it to my needs quite well and I find it very quick to use in 99% of the situations. Its those 1% where I need to menu dive that I get frustrated with the menu system but that is rare.
So lets compare with its rivals. The A6300 competes with the 80D which doesn't have the DR of the A6300 or the burst rate or the video capabilities. The D7200 has slightly better IQ but is of larger size and has almost half the burst rate and is far behind in video.
And among its mirrorless peers, Panasonic and Olympus have some well specd cameras but they have smaller sensors and thus are behind in IQ while not being really any smaller than this camera.
Lastly there is Fuji which probably gives slightly better IQ but can't match the AF capabilities and are completely dead in the water w.r.t to the video capabilities.
The EM-5 II had the same sensor as the old EM-5 which cost it a lot of points. The Xpro-2 has a brand new sensor that is very good but is competing in FF territory not with this camera which is far cheaper.
The D7200 was a small incremental upgrade over the D7100 with no major ground breaking tech which is why it 'only' got the silver award.
fedway: So that does mean Panny will be introducing a GX8 Mark 2 shortly with the improved shutter mechanism? It's like saying we acknowledge there is a major design problem with our old shutter. So why continue selling the old one?
Narretz didn't say there wasn't a problem. There WAS but it was overblown. The Sony A7r had 36 MP and so the shutter shock issue was amplified since there was so many MP.
So Panasonic fixed the problem (hopefully) but it wasn't a real big problem in the first place. I know a few owners who were wondering what the fuss was about.
ThePhilips: If body-only price falls below $500, it would be a nice competition to the Sony A6000. ... 2 years too late.
I am sure the vast majority of A6000 shooters use only the kit lens and nothing else.
brendon1000: This camera seems to truly showcase the potential of mirrorless cameras. As much as I like Sony FE system it doesn't have any real size advantage once lenses are considered.
This Panasonic is a truly small camera and has many lightweight small lenses to match the small body.
Yeah if Canon sensors were really good I would have probably switched to Canon.
However that said now that I have taken Sony FE system I am largely very happy with it.
The size differences aren't much but every little bit helps and everytime I pick up a 5D mk 3 I immediately feel its heft.
Its fine for a short shoot but shooting a 12 hour wedding and every weight savings help. Whenever I have to rent a 5d mk3 I wish I could switch back to my Sony for the weight savings alone.
This camera seems to truly showcase the potential of mirrorless cameras. As much as I like Sony FE system it doesn't have any real size advantage once lenses are considered.
BostonC: Shutter shock measurement: https://www.ephotozine.com/articles/panasonic-lumix-gx80-review-29143/images/highres-panasonic-lumix-gx80-shutter-unit_1459761077.jpg The shutter sound is so quiet. Amazing improvement!
It is there. Just copy paste the link. Its Panasonic marketing material though.
crashpc: I see. But I would rather go less zoom or no zoom for hetter IQ instead of this. Those qualities of 1" sensor are mostly wasted here.
What he said ! This is a camera of convenience and the samples look pretty decent. Sure the Sony R10 II is better but thats a much more bulkier camera. This looks much easier to carry around on vacations.
MikeF4Black: Normally cheap fifties don't get dissected like this; what good could come from that?
What's there to justify ? :P
Nobody has this lens. Its yet to be released !
I am happy Dpreview has this article even though I don't want this lens. Looking at the samples I feel the Zeiss 55mm is a better fit for my needs but its still an interesting lens to me and a lot of other people.
If it bothers you this much maybe you should learn to ignore such articles and read only those that interest you !
Other systems have plenty of cheap lenses. Sony doesn't for its FE system. So a lot of people who could afford the A7 but didn't want to pay almost the same price as the camera for an additional lens will be interested in seeing how this lens performs. Cause now a FF system is getting more and more affordable.