ManuelVilardeMacedo: Why on earth does a camera review (Canon 5D R) get ten times more comments than a lens' review? Bodies come and go, lenses stay (even more so in this digital age); that's why lenses are the heart of a phogorphic system. It should be the other way round, but I guess cameras have more gizmos and fancy figures... oh well.
Well I am sure the number of people who will buy the camera will exceed 10 times the number of people who will buy this lens if not much more.
sharkcookie: 8% wider than the Nikon 12-24, but the Nikon is twice as fast (one stop equals double the light). The Canon is 50% more expensive.
Anyone who says stitching can replace an UWA hasn't a clue what he is talking about.
And stitching is something I can never do when I take 4 to 8 minute exposures.
armandino: I feel like making a bit of a clarification here because we often say things not quite right and then we extrapolate and we end up with misconceptions.Pretty much everyone talks about low floor noise and higher dynamic range as if they are the same thing. They are not. Although it is true that lower floor noise allows for shooting more on the left of your histogram and by stretching and compressing your levels you can use your available dynamic range more effectively and with better results. For instance if you compare the same shot with a D800 and a 5DIII and you pull hard on the shadows, the D800 will not get a lot more details for the blacks, just marginally, however it will do it in a much cleaner manner.
Just wait for DXOMark to tell you guys how good the sensor really is !!! :D
Your statement would make perfect sense if a) You weren't taking long exposure photographs (yes its a thing), b) Your scene is pretty still, c) The light isn't changing a lot and MOST importantly d) You don't want perspective distortion.
I personally love and practically all my landscape shots are with UWA lenses.
As I said its a style. You have shot a few HDRs. Some hate them but I like them. Similarly some hate the perspective distortion and I love it.
^^ Everyone's shooting needs are different. I love using UWAs for the perspective distortion and there are plenty of good photographers who use them.
Just because your shooting style is different you shouldn't assume no one uses them for landscape work.
Stitching is hardly a substitute for an UWA.
RyanBoston: Nikon DF: I'm the real nostalgic camera.
Canon 5DS: No I am. Ive got the real old technology in my blood. You are all new tech inside kid.
Whats so old about the 5Ds. For most other Canon DSLRs I would agree with you but the 5Ds has a brand new sensor and probably the best AF system in the market in FF land.
VictorTrasvina: Yeah the Nikon 14-24mm its outstanding and a 1000 dollars less
If I was buying into a new system the Canon 11-24 will trounce the 14-24mm anyday. 11mm is the widest ever non distorting uWA and its far more useful than f2.8 vs f4 for an UWA user.
The 14-24mm is still an outstanding lens but the days when Canon guys would buy that lens are over. The 11-24mm is simply a better lens for most.
DavidNJ100: Expensive...it will be more of a specialty lens like the 17mm F4 TS-E.
The comparison with the 5 year old Nikon 14-24mm F2.8 is interesting, but the Tamron 15-30mm F2.8 VC is more interesting. That lens is $1800 less expensive and very sharp. How much is the extra 4mm in wider focal length, 15° in the diagonal FOV and only 7° in the horizontal FOV worth?
Would Canon have been better off with a new 16-35mm/F2.8 and a 11mm F4 (or F2.8) prime lens? Will photographers shooting 11mm on a full frame (equivalent to 7mm on a Canon APS-C camera) need a zoom to take that shot?
Don't look at specs in the UWA end. 4 mm is a WORLD of difference in UWA terms. There is no comparison.
Those who shoot UWA a lot will buy this lens hands down.
Even discerning amatuers who use UWA lenses a lot will buy this.
If people were buying my landscape photos I would have sold all my Sony equipment and moved to Canon and got this lens but alas I am not that good that people would never buy my photos. :P
neil holmes: I would love to see DPR use the lens on an Sony A7 series camera.
A7ii (for stabilization) and A7s in particular.
A lot of people will show this for sure but I am sure the new Canon 50 MP sensor will have enough DR to satisfy any hardcore landscape shooter.
No I think he meant the Nikon 14-24mm f2.8 as that is twice as fast as the Canon. But 8% wider figure is very misleading as in UWA territory every mm counts. 8% extra at tele end will be negligible but at wide end its a huge difference.
Canon has won this round in the UWA lens fight and with their new 50 MP camera will make for a killer landscape kit.
ttran88: I'm a current K5iis and A7 shooter and if this FF camera comes with an EVF I will make this my next camera. Almost certain will come with a Sony sensor, same as D750 with Pentax pixie dust. I wonder if the 3 FA limited lenses will go up in value now?
Yeah they should launch a mirror less variant.
Zvonimir Tosic: Pentax HD 70-200 has a new super-fast SDM motor, not DC.And as one user said, this new 70-200mm F2.8 lens may just out perform anything ever made in that classification of lenses by any manufacturer.It has 4 anomalous dispersion lenses + 2 ED lenses + 2 super ED lenses: for a total of 8 fancy ED style lenses, covered in all the latest and best coatings in the industry. Pentax pulled out all the stops on this one.
This lens is a game changer in this category.
One measly lens will hardly be considered a game changer.
The Canon/Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 lenses are already so bitingly sharp even wide open that there is little for the Pentax to improve upon.
And with so many more FF bodies Canon and Nikon offer Pentax will have to come up with something really unique to make any major dent in the FF market.
I strongly believe this $2200 lens isn't going to sell very strongly in the market when
Gosman: Although I'm a K-3 user and in the process of upgrading my lens, I think Pentax is way too late for the full frame SLR. In a few years, all of us will be shooting mirrorless cameras. And the new price for their new lenses for full frame? We should just convert over to Nikon and Canon as the whole world has. Pentax at a niche market with the best crop sensor slr on the market. Now they will compete with the big boys.
^^ Mass migration ??? Whatever for ??? :P
Canon and Nikon already have a ton of FF compatible lenses are various price points available along with a host of 3rd party lenses available.
And now with mirrorless Full frame getting better and better the only real market for this camera will be mostly Pentax users and some new entrants.
But expecting mass migration of Nikon and Canon users is a bit too much !
forpetessake: Every company (modulo Olympus) is going to release FF cameras. The falling prices of the sensors and electronic parts are pushing the market in that direction. We'll eventually see all sorts of FF cameras -- compact and large, cheap and expensive, with fixed and interchangeable mount. Despite what the uneducated people believe, the size-weight characteristics of the lenses aren't significantly affected by the bigger sensor.
Stop looking at old film cameras and film lenses. Look at modern digital lenses which need large AF motors to be built into the lens along with stabilization elements etc.
I use an A7 and the lenses for it are pretty much DSLR like.
My friend has an m43 system and his lenses are truly compact.
Now I don't like the m43 IQ which is why I bought an A7 but I am fully aware size is always going to be an issue with a full frame system.
Why would Ricoh put an EVF in this camera ? Sony uses EVF out of necessity not because its a superior tech.
I would be most surprised if Ricoh came out with an EVF in the new Pentax camera.
Tom Nokin: The importance of this release will be decided by the correctness of Tamrons first point in their press release. If it is on par or close to the quality of Nikon 14-24 it will be a bestseller.
The Tamron is also better suited for astrophotography due to the 1 stop advantage.
Richard Murdey: "If autofocus, low light performance or resolution are higher priorities than size, then I'd encourage you to look at the GM5's highly capable APS-C peers."
What does autofocus have to do with sensor size?
Yes I also believe that this was a comparison to the A6000. The GM5 is best chosen almost purely for its diminutive size.
Honestly for the money Tamron is charging I would go for a Nikon 16-35mm f4 VR even though its not the best performer around.
Guaranteed compatibility and superior build quality plus the ability to take filters more than makes up for the 1mm & 1 stop advantage of the Tamron in my book.
DDWD: that is the problem with third party lenses. Yes glass may be good but the lens electronics will likely to have issues, if not now, it will be with the future bodies. Save your $$$ and buy OEM and never look back.
^^ As much as I like third party lenses (I have 2 Tamron's and one Sigma) there is no guarantee that 3rd party lenses won't cause issues with new body releases.
With Sony SLT system older Sigma lenses stopped working. If they were new Sigma lenses then Sigma offered to fix the issue for free but for older lenses you were out of luck.
So if Canon or Nikon changes the mount specs appreciable you are bound to see some issues with 3rd party lenses.
Kiril Karaatanasov: Did not Tamron notice that A7 Sony cameras except the A7 m2 lack built in stabilization ......there are not so many a99s floating around relative to the number of A7 cameras
Price and specs are very attractive. I would wait for a test or two to show up before buying. Seems a cheap affordable compromise lens rather than outstanding lens by the price tag.
It really is a surprising decision from Tamron. It may have been different if they were saving money but they aren't. The lenses have all the necessary functionality but its just disabled in the lens.
I read somewhere that they do this because Sony would accidently keep both IBIS and the lens based IS on simultaneously and it would reduce in slightly blurred images as both IS systems would counter each other.