Stephen787: Sigma makes lens for all three type of mounts. Canon, nikon and sony. Why would they not make an 3 different adapter for mirrorless that can use all their lenses. Meaning FE mounts using their adapters can use all their lenses at full speed. Why are they not doing this?
The mirrorless camera lenses use a contrast detect AF system and those lenses use different types of motors. Same with the Sigma ART lenses which use different motors to AF as they are used on DSLRs with phase detect system.
Even Canon is unable to make their DSLR lenses focus fast on their mirrorless bodies. So if Canon can't do it for their own system Sigma won't be able to do it over multiple systems.
vscd: With getting longer than the "normal" sweet spot of focal ranges between 28 and 50mm the lenses are eating up pretty much of the mirrorless-sizeadvantage. But it's nice to see the lensrange is growing for the A7 models. Price is too high, somehow.
VSCD - I am willing to bet you don't use any modern EVF for more than a few minutes.
I used to hate EVFs but I couldn't afford to shift systems and so I bought a gen 1 EVF camera. I am so used to EVFs now that I don't like using OVFs anymore.
Once you get used to the EVFs advantages you feel shooting with an OVF is a handicap.
The only real place an OVF handily beats an EVF is during AF tracking. But thats a very niche shot for most of us.
El Chubasco: Nice system, certainly impressive. Would be tempted to buy this camera if its interface did not feel like a playstation.
Actually his comment was very valid 3 years ago. I used a Sony NEX7 and I found the interface simply horrendous ! It just made no logical sense to me.
Thankfully Sony has moved away from that and all new cameras have a newer interface that is far far better. I would put the Canon and Sony interface in the same boat.
The Nikon interface should be good but I am biased in that regard since Sony and Canon have a reasonably similar interface system while Nikon is very different and I am not used to it.
Randy Veeman: I am a bit shocked by the prices. My 85mm F/1.4 was $750. I am sure the argument is the Zeiss name and quality, but a lot of potential buyers are going to be shut out. These do very little for the NEX owners looking for $300-$800 lenses with wider apertures.
Lab D is a classic troll. He chooses what to answer and conveniently ignores anything that he feels he won't be able to answer or will spoil his argument.
Joseph Black: So the "chicken and the egg" scenario in this case puts the chicken before the egg. Many comments discuss Sony innovation as the pinnacle of human accomplishment in photography, but what they're actually talking about are Sony sensors and Sony bodies, but then if you want a lens you'll have to jump through some hoops. If you want to avoid a ton of gimmicks and glitches and difficult menus and that Sony color, go elsewhere. Nikon gets the lion's share of the praise for Sony sensors because they also have a lot of great lenses. And the company with the most lenses, the best lenses, and the most usable bodies has different sensor priorities and won't use Sony except in their point and shoot cameras, so they exist in a realm all their own that people either understand and agree with or revile and denigrate as unimaginative. I don't envy people who have to decide on a camera these days, but I don't regret moving away from Olympus back in the 80's and making the 10D my first DSLR.
I have no judged you. I don't know you or know anything about you to pass judgement. All I commented on is the tone of your posts here which I find overtly negative for no compelling reason. :)
And no I don't own any Sony FE lenses though my eye is on the 28mm f2.
I use Canon lenses via an electronic adapter and my Sony Alpha lenses via the LAEA4 adapter that allows full AF capabilities. My most used lens is my Sony Zeiss 24-70mm and the Tamron 70-200mm f2.8
Granted I lose a lot of the size advantage over a DSLR but I still find it far easier to use than my friends 5d mk 3 who I shoot with very often and I even borrow his Canon lenses to use on the A7.
HeyItsJoel: Are there people who still shoot at 28mm? Maybe it's just me but I prefer to choose between a 24mm and 35mm in that focal range.
When I shot Nikon, I hated that the lenses would start at '18 - XX mm' which translate to '27 - XX mm' in full frame equivalent. It just wasn't wide enough for me.
Ha ha seriously. Its crazy that people think that something that works for them works for everyone else. :P
Cane: Why does Sony let Zeis make almost all their FE lenses. It's like Ford having Ferrari make all their engines. Just because a camera is FF doesn't mean only $1000 + lenses are the only thing you should attach to it.
Maybe this is such a great plan that Canon should follow and only sell L lenses.
Alain is correct. Zeiss doesn't make these lenses. They just approve the designs and quality control of these lenses.
So all Zeiss lenses are made in a different plant as non Zeiss lenses but both these lens design plants are run by Sony and not Zeiss.
Zeiss makes their own branded lenses for Sony. Both autofocus (Zeiss 32mm f1.8, 12mm f2.8 and 50mm f2.8 macro) and MF (Loxia range)
Honestly ever since I moved to Full frame I have stopped using my APS-C bodies. APS-C is fine for people who want smaller cameras and lenses but its just not good enough compared to modern full frame cameras with good lenses.
If you are happy with your APS-C 85mm f1.4 and 30mm f2 prime so be it.
If you think that your 85mm f1.4 lens and Samsung NX1 will be sharper than a A7 + 55mm f1.8 lens then you will be very wrong.
caravan: Well, done with the primes Sony.
Zooms,who needs them ?
They already launched the 24-70mm, 24-240mm and the 70-200mm f4.
Honestly for this sort of a system, zooms are just a bit too big. Most people will prefer prime lenses.
Mr Black - Honestly if you aren't happy with Sony's body or lens selection choices no one is forcing you to love them.
You seem terribly bitter about Sony like they murdered a family member and weaseled their way out in court.
I mean seriously you have made so many comments on this topic and all of them are bitter and negative.
I use Sony and I have for my needs it works well. I don't like Canon or Nikon for many reasons but they are my own and I don't go about in Canon or Nikon forums birching about their negative points.
Seriously have a drink or something. Cheer up ! :)
Thorgrem: Only the 28 f/2.0 has a normal size and price. To bad it's not wider than a normal kit-lens. The rest is to big and to expensive. If I wanted to go FF, Sony wouldn't be an option anymore. To big and to expensive, can get the same size at a cheaper price at CaNikon.
I have a Canon adapter and I use my friends Canon lenses on my Sony. He feels jealous to see the DR of the Sony sensor as all he can use is his sub par Canon sensors.
And if I get bored of his Canon lenses I use my Sony Alpha lenses and if I get bored of that I use my FE lenses.
There are plenty to choose from with a Sony mirrorless camera.
True you won't get fast tracking AF but I have never really shot anything that required any sophisticated AF system.
Chaitanya S: I thought whole purpose of mirrorless system was to have lenses that were smaller and lighter. That 90mm macro is bigger and heavier than Tamron 90mm VC lens designed for slrs. These mirrorless systems are mainly a marketing gimmic and they have a diminishing returns based on sensor size to lenses. APS-C and micro 4/3 format seem to be right choice for those people who want to travel light and still want to take good quality photos.
Yes that would work BUT with the Canon option you will lose any workable AF. And with the Sony version there is a light grabbing translucent mirror in between the lens and the sensor.
TIM. The Sigma is a full frame lens. What badi meant was that its not directly compatible with the mirrorless Sony FE mount as that requires a complete redesign.
cgarrard: Might be nice to see a few budget primes for this lineup too, get people into the system with less outlay.
An aggressive announcement regardless, and showing strength for the FE system.
Actually that is not necessarily true. You want compact the m43 system is there for you. The Sony FE system is offering you a compact FF camera with SOME compact lenses. Those who want compact can get some of the smaller lenses like the 35mm f2.8 or the 28mm f2.
The system is just so versatile. I know many Nikon and Canon users buying a A7r/A7 just so that they can get a sought after lens from the other side of the fence to use. Like a Nikon 14-24mm or a Canon 17mm f3.5 T/S.
Photoman: I wonder if these adapters will be any good. I thought you only put adapter lens on video cameras? I would prefer a FE 21mm with no attachments on it.
These are matched adapters. They perform pretty good. Though the price is a tad high. I would buy a less expensive adapter than the original Sony.
captura: Far as I can tell, these must be the very same old ultra-wide and fisheye adapters which were introduced at the beginnings of the NEX cameras. Except they were silver and these are black. They always worked exceptionally well, and were designed for the E16/2.8, E20/2.8 and the E30/3.5 macro lenses. They also snap onto the front of the Panasonic 14/2.5 pancake lens and work better than the Pana's own adapters.But why buy these new black ones for $250 when you can get the silver version for as low as $99?SHAME on Sony for not giving any other new lens offerings to the APS-C camera enthusiasts. It's everything for the fat-boy A7 crowd. Booo...
Agree with you. They seem to have ADD. First they completely forget they have an existing A mount system that has been largely abandoned. A totally of 3 camera bodies and the only new lenses being old ones with additional coatings and additional price are not indicative of a system being supported.
Now Sony seems to have forgotten its APS-C users quite forgetting that the A6000 has been its most successful seller of late that isn't a bottom of the heap priced model like its earlier NEX 3N.
Zvonimir Tosic: Nice to know Fuji did not dare to compare Total_size-vs-Performance quotient of their cameras with Pentax K-3 armed with, say, 6 DA Limiteds.
But instead with 7DII which has .. ~8 years old sensor tech and no lenses that can compare with Fuji's or Pentax APS-C optimised primes.
Mr Zvonimir many people like bokeh. If you don't good for you but assuming people use f1.4 ONLY for faster shutter speeds then you are simply wrong.
I didn't buy into the Pentax system purely because they didn't have too many affordable fast lenses.
soyo: For a future interview to Fuji, can you ask they if have plans to make a Tilt-Shift lens?Thanks in advance, and congrats for this one.
Don't think TS lenses are on their radar anytime soon as they are highty specialized lenses and only Canon and Nikon have them in their line up.
However you can safely buy any TS lens from either Nikon or 3rd party like Samyang/Schneider and use an adapter. Canon lenses can't be used due to their pure electronic aperture control.
mpgxsvcd: Wow, Rishi! What a very thorough review. The dynamic range data was very intriguing and not at all what I would have expected. Great job uncovering that.
I still like the A7s because its video capabilities are outstanding. However, I have a lot more respect for the A7r now after this review.
The D5200 is a crop camera. This is a full frame camera and a more video oriented one at that. I doubt a lot of pure photographers will buy this camera.
Hubertus Bigend: If dpreview wants to start basing results of camera reviews on cameras' video capabilities, they ought to open a new 'dvreview' site and do it there. For people interested in 'digital photography', not videography, results significantly influenced by video capabilities destroy all comparability.
Then again, 'overall scores' have never been too meaningful, anyway...
Honestly this is not a true stills oriented camera. A majority section of people buying this camera are primarily people interested in video.
The world is changing and I while I don't shoot videos its always good to know what a primarily stills camera can do for video.
Agree with you on the overall scores part which I feel is too confusing but the entire review is well written and the scores is just a small miniscule part of the review.