Wow. More than anything I am seriously impressed with the price ! At this price I don't see why anyone would buy a 3rd party lens.
Roy Prasad: I really hope this solves the posterization problem that Lloyd Chambers (www.diglloyd.com) pointed out, and also improves the DR of the A7RM2.
The question is, how does one get this? The most recent firmware update from Sony (Version 1.1) does not include this lossless 14-bit RAW. I don't see any new firmware versions on the Sony site, either. If anyone knows, kindly post... TIA.
Also, I highly recommend that anyone with any contacts urge Sony to implement a lossless compression scheme that preserves the DR while also achieving some file size reduction, instead of a brute force doubling of file sizes.
^^ Agreed. I still maintain its a non issue but I have to agree its best to let the user decide for himself what he wants.
hammarbytp: My own impressions after reading the other reviews
Overall it does not beat the Nikon D810 in a number of key areas such as continuous focusing. However in lower light and with 4K video it beats it which is pretty impressive. Compared to other high end cameras such as the canon 5DS, it generally beats them in all counts.
It could do with longer battery life, 2 cards and a greater range of native lenses
UI could be improved, including the touch screen
If you do extreme pixel peeping you might see some artifacts caused by compressed raw. This can be fixed at the cost of much larger file sizes
a very impressive attempt at taking the top crown, with Nikon breathing a sigh of relief and Canon looking very worried.
To summarize. Not the expected messiah, but maybe the prophet of things to come
@Zigont - I already have the A7 and A7 II but can't justify spending so much more for the A7r II. I wager Sony is looking at milking all the early adopters for this new tech.
Ill hold on with my current gear for this fast AF with adapters to trickle down to more affordable cameras.
@Henry - Yes. This camera is already heavy enough at 625g. Adding larger batteries and extra space for double card slots will increase the size to something that resembles more of a D810 while still being nowhere close to the battery life the D810 gives.
helltormentor: Click on the Pentax 645Z still shows the comparison between the A7RII and D810.
Sorry guys I misunderstood the OP. No excuses.
REDred Photo: Why is there no mention of the serious overheating issues in 4k video recording? It's a pretty significant carrot for sony to dangle in front of hybrid video/stills photographers... this camera promises the combined core capabilities of $6k to $7k worth of other sony/atmos gear. Being a 5th generation A7 series camera, many people (myself included) will jump on this purchase with the expectation that sony has worked out all the kinks and brought a highly evolved and refined product to market.
Obviously, this isn't a full review, but shouldn't dpreview warn "early adopters" of a potentially fatal flaw? I've been reading this site consistently since its inception something like 15 years ago and I have a lot of respect... but right now I feel obliged to ask a potentially offensive question: Is dpreview really an independent review source, presumably protecting the interests of trusting consumers... or just another cog in the camera/tech industry's mass marketing machine?
^^ Yes the A7s and the new A7s II are primarily video cameras like the Panasonic GH4 also. I am sure a large majority of A7s buyers bought it for video only
This is more of a stills camera primarily which also happens to take good video.
For people looking at using this primarily for video they should look at some more video oriented website reviews like EosHD or nofilmschool
Oops. Sorry misunderstood.
^^ Fair enough. But do note that this is primarily a photography site. Not a video site. The review will have 16 - 18 sections and at most 2 sections will be dedicated for the video part of the review.
If you have come here looking mainly for video info I think you will be a bit disappointed.
Yes the Pentax 645Z can shoot 4k video, has image stabilization, has access to lenses from Sony, Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Pentax 645 system lenses, Mamyia, Leica etc etc while costing the same as the A7r II right ?
Or are you comparing oranges to apples ?
My real take on why this camera is awesome is because you are free to use both Canon and Nikon AF lenses with pretty fast AF speed and all you need is a $150 adapter for each camera system.
So you can use the Canon 11-24mm f4 L and 17mm f4 TSE lens for landscapes and interiors and the Nikon 28-300mm lens for instance on the same camera !
AND all these lenses will be stabilized unlike in Canon and Nikon cameras AND you don't have to worry about shutter shock AND all of these Canon and Nikon lenses you can use to shoot 4k video as well ! :D
I would suggest your reserve your comments till the review.
Passing such grandiose allegations about a small snippet of a review is pretty much useless and borderline stupidity. Its like passing judgement on a movie based on the trailer.
JakeB: I find those Sony mirrorless cameras look incredibly boxy and ugly, even worse than traditional dslrs, and for that reason alone would never carry one.
Spec sheet is impressive, though, which makes them attractive to gearheads.
I am pretty sure the designer of the Kodak Hawkeye was blind in both eyes. :P
RichRMA: Now I kin' lookit ma shots at 200% like man, and not some kinda bum!!"
REAL men look at 400% !
Can't argue with aesthetics ! I had an old Minolta 9000 film camera. Built like a tank and the viewfinder was awesome.
That said i personally love using the A7 and A7 II. It is extremely customizable for my needs and I don't find anything really lacking.
Some of the dials aren't too good but honestly once I am shooting I hardly think about the camera, only the shot. The A7 and A7 II are intuitive enough for me right now that the camera simply disappears when I shoot and I only think of the photo.
It wasn't the same for my old Sony A55. There were precious little external control and diving down in the menus to change a few things would really break my concentration on shooting.
Or who knows ? Maybe they use cameras for taking photographs other people use cameras as a fashion accessory ! :P
LMCasey: Sony is a screwed up company; proven once again in their photography division.
^^ If you are happy using a heavily crippled camera like Leica with no AF then your opinion doesn't count since its obvious you don't care about IQ if you are fine with spending so much money on a dated sensor.
I actually use a Sony A7 and A7 II and this is a non issue for me. Its an issue only for people not using such cameras like you.
^^ Its ugly in your eyes only. I don't find it ugly. And I don't think the hundreds of thousands of people who buy these cameras over your so called beautiful looking cameras like Fuji don't find it very ugly. :P
dcolak: Now Sony has to undo the latest FW update that was "fixing" the chroma noise and made it worse:
One step forward, two steps back.
What about 5x EVF magnification sony?
Oh God ! People and their lens cap tests !!!
These people need to go out and shoot more rather than wasting time with lens cap tests.
Reminds me of the time of the light leak problem that was only noticeable when shooting with a lens cap. :P
@Roy - The DR doesn't improve. All this uncompressed files do is fill up your card faster and if you zoom 400% in heavily pushed RAW files you will see less artifacts.
This is a non issue blown out of proportion honestly.
I have had plenty of ruined photos when the camera failed to focus, or the camera chose the wrong exposure etc but I have had zero photos ruined due to these artifacts.
DR has zero improvement according to DPreview.
Nick even the compressed RAWs will outperform the sensor on your Leica which costs 4 times as much as a better performing A7 II.
I have been shooting with only RAW for years now on Sony and this is such a non issue that I will stick with compressed RAW even when uncompressed RAW comes out.
I don't pixel peep and only pixel peepers will really see any difference in IQ.
Jake ! You seem to be really superficial ! Luckily the Sony A7r II is still a pretty popular camera so people aren't as superficial like you. They probably buy cameras for their picture taking abilities.