VREN: Nice to see, but conservative speed for not so conservative price.
Honestly Nikon and Canon will never truly support APS-C since they will want people to upgrade to 35mm sensors and the correspondingly more expensive lenses.
If you wish to truly stick to smaller cameras and lenses then mirrorless is the only way to go. Pentax also makes mostly APS-C lenses if you need an OVF but most Pentax lenses IMO are small but slow and outdated designs.
Fuji I feel is the best system for those who need a compact APS-C system with Samsung about tied neck to neck.
Sony is 3rd as they seem more interested in supporting their 35mm system like Nikon and Canon.
Why bring in Pentax in this argument ? Compared to the Nikon 16-85mm this lens is faster and only slightly more expensive than when the 16-85mm was first launched at. (Can't compare discounted price now).
Charlie Jin: Canon, I will buy 15-85mm F2.8-4.0 if it is under $1,200(and if the image quality is as good as the original one).
I think he means the 15-85mm f3.5-5.6
ZeneticX: note that all this tests are done on pre release model and fw
it's still a whole month away before the camera is released. with such promising results on a prototype, imagine the production model with minor issues ironed out
^^ Thats simply false !
A prototype could have a few differences to the final product like an extra button or some features missing but changing the sensor is a HUGE difference.
Valen305: That continuous eye-AF is amazing! I tend to miss focus on about 20% of shots with the a99 + 85mm CZ.
^^ Try shooting at f1.4 85mm.
Maxlam76: Cheers !This type of technology has been available with Olympus MILC for ages. Face detection, left or right eye... Nothing new, maybe just for the people that have only been interested in DSLR for the last five years.
^^ Of course the m43 system has plenty of lenses but with this tech more Canon users can consider the A7rII for their needs. Especially those who have an existing lens line up.
Currently if they moved to mirrorless then they would lose any option of even half decent AF.
LukeDuciel: "What I like so much about shooting with Fujifilm cameras that use this sensor is the minimal amount of fussing I need to do with my images in post. "
I cannot agree more.
I use camera raw. Its a very nice software and does everything I want. I go into Photoshop to further process the photos. I have saved up 30-40 different actions which allow me to tune the photo to my taste. And lastly I use Nik Filters which is a Photoshop only product.
I tried Lightroom but it just doesn't cut it for me. Too slow to load the files especially if I wish to zoom in. Photoshop I find is far faster.
The point is people like to do things they are used to. Buying a camera and finding that you have the change what you did earlier only because your software doesn't work with only this camera model is not something nice.
alouette: this Lens is a remake of the legendary FT Zuiko Lens ED 12-60mm f2.8-4.0 SWD.
The Zuiko lens was announced together with the E-3 back in 2007. I guess the successor of the D300s is not far anymore :-)
Name one with an f2.8 - f4 aperture. The only lens that comes close is the Sigma 17-70mm f2.8-4 which is 26-105mm lens.
Yeah Sony prices its lenses very high but their 16-50mm f2.8 was launched at an MSRP of $799 which was pretty good.
^^ It may be but you can't expect people to change their entire workflow to support a new camera.
I tried to shift to DXO as I was getting a very good price for it but I couldn't get used to it so I kept using PS.
QuarryCat: for that astronomic price a 2.8/16-55 mm VR would do much more sense!
especially for Nikon China-Plastics
MY Latent Image: We finally get an update on these two great lenses. All that is missing is the D400! Come on Nikon!!!!
Whats wrong is that the 7D Mk 2 has a more sophisticated AF system and a faster burst rate which is very useful in bird photography.
FelixC2013: Sigma and Tamron reversed engineered the Canon and Nikon lens interface. They both assumed something about the Canon system and got it wrong. The interface is a proprietary design and Canon is under no obligation to share it with a competitor.
That is the major reason I would never buy a lens from Tamron, Tokina or Sigma only Zeiss.
^^ I also knew many who thought they didn't have problems. Till I showed them. It probably doesn't show up in the type of photos you shoot but I have yet to come across a sample that didn't show any issues.
These focusing issues are across all their f1.4 ART series.
Unfortunately no it doesn't.
Mike FL: As far as I can see Samsung NX500 is getting hurt by RX100-4, NX500 was always in TOP 20, or even TOP 10, now it is out of 50th.
It is interesting to see Samsung is always getting beaten down by Japanese big brothers by price or by useability...
I'm waiting for a7000 to replace FF, and a7000 is said to have weather sealed body plus sealed Zeiss kit zoom lenses. If so, NX1 will be out of the game too.
But I do not know when SONY will release a7000 as SONY is still enjoying its a6000 in the TOP selling spot with solid price. Good for SONY, bad for us. Is it?
As well for RX100m4 along with M1/2/3 , there is no competition. SONY can set whatever the price...
Its also due to the reach of Samsung. I stay in the second most populated country on earth and Samsung doesn't sell its cameras here for whatever reason.
And my friends who stay in the US tell me that at large electronic stores their cameras are mostly absent from shelves.
Operator: So many "I love this company." posts. Maybe one of you would want to buy my X-E2?
Crappy AF, crappy RAW-support, crappy flash system (onboard and off), overpriced prime lenses, overpriced and huge zoom lenses and now ... left out in the cold with firmware updates (still uses the same sensor with the same electronic like the X-T1).
That's how Fuji X buyers feel in reality after only 1,5yrs of usage. Thx Fuji, but NO thx - I'm out!
I know two or three people who bought Fuji without knowing Adobe doesn't fully support the RAW files and all but one sold off the Fuji gear as they didn't want to change their entire workflow just because the camera doesn't support the most popular photo manipulation software (by far) on the planet.
Only one person knew that Adobe didn't support his camera fully but didn't care as he shoots mostly JPEG and Fuji JPEG files are pretty awesome anyways. And he is very happy with the system and has bought 3 additional lenses to use with the camera.
Only a few people ever read reviews and buy cameras ! So many people just go into a store, compare camera features and buy. Not everyone is capable to understand different RAW converters or flash systems etc when buying for the first time. They learn that once they start shooting.
People can slam Adobe all they want, but Adobe is far more than just raw conversion. You get the ability to use so many existing actions, filters etc etc. My favorite filter system Nik filters isn't available at all for any other RAW convertor nor is it available as a standalone version.
juvx: Many of you on here don't seem to understand the purpose of firmware updates in 2015... You're used to Nikon and Canon sending a few out and fixing a bug here and there.
This update is NOT to fix bugs, its to upgrade the camera.
Fuji is not fixing bugs in this update it's a complete upgrade to the autofocus system. They are adding more and more features and improving the camera as time goes by. I really respect that and it's something that other players should be looking to do rather than releasing new bodies and forgetting about their customers. Adding completely NEW features. Canon and NIkon is been HORRIBLE at this.
As a Sony shooter, it seems Sony has started to take note and has been releasing some nice firmware updates with new features as well lately for the a6000. I hope this trend continues.
Sony improved functionality waaay back in 2008 for its A700 camera. Its not a new thing at all for Sony.
And DSLR cameras are less easier to upgrade compared to mirrorless cameras since mirrorless cameras performance has a lot to do with software implementation since AF performance is largely dependent on the software while in DSLRs the AF performance is dependent more on the phase detect AF system of the model in question.
I doubt most of the upgrades Fuji provided can be done with an existing DSLR unless it was prematurely released with buggy AF.
Old Cameras: A software update can be a question in itself. When PC's and cell phones are updated, they slow down and new bugs can be added. Extra lines of code require more cycles to chew through them, especially frustrating if the features being added are not things you care about. I would always prefer to review the results of an update before adding it, and ideally, be able to reverse it if I don't like the result. But if what Fuji offers is truly an improvement then it's a great benefit that they continue to support the product. The XT1, however, is still a current product on sale now. I'd be more impressed if they continue with these updates when the camera has been succeeded.
I have updated 4 of my cameras and two of them twice ! All upgrades improved both performance and functionality. The only drawback was one failed update which got rectified on second try.
cariarer: I'm browsing through the comments and I'm finally no longer able to keep my peace. All that is wrong in todays world is the impression of entitlement. Seriously. Fuji made a brilliant camera with a pro level price tag. People bought it for what it was. It's not perfect and it will never be. A modern digital camera is not a piece of wooden carving that is simply done at some point. It's complex technologie. Go and complain to God about all the bugs in the human body! Fuji put's a lot of thought and effort into it's gear and they really, really care. And all you nay sayers got to do: Oh, that's how it should have been from day one! You sold me a beta version! Were you not able to use it? Didn't it do what it is supposed to do from day 1? Be greatful for what you get as a gift, instead of believing you're entitled to the perfect product. It doesn't exists! It's just a path of improvment. There is no finish line. Things getting better all the time, but it will never be perfect.
^^ Thats a very negative way of looking at it. Most customers don't do tons of research when they buy stuff. Many go to a store, try and camera and just buy it. They shouldn't have to find issues later on when they start to use the camera.
Not saying the Fuji XT-1 was buggy but many earlier Fuji cameras like the X-Pro1 and X100 were practically Alpha versions that many first time customers were fooled into buying thinking they were fully working products and finding out that there were many issues.