Oliver Bedford: Funny. Each new Sony camera overwhelms us with ever increasing, almost incredible specs, but at the same time every camera is more and more boring. I mean: 61 or 425 or 867 focus points, does anybody care? At the end it's only the personal shooting experience that matters.
Oh please don't flatter yourself. Sony pays me zero cents to promote them. If I had the budget I would be shooting Nikon right now not Sony just FYI and I use a 5d mk 3 whenever required by clients.
I use cameras for their features. I don't take into consideration BS remarks like 'real' cameras. I find many Fuji people use that statement to justify paying a bomb for a camera with fewer features but higher price.
I mean just looking at that overpriced Xpro-2 I can see the Sony has a similar sensor with mostly better AF. Not saying the Fuji is a bad camera. I use my friends Xe-2 often and I find the camera decent though he paid as much as I paid for my Sony A7 II and that camera beats his Fuji hands down in IQ.
However he goes on to say that the Fuji is a 'Real' camera or some unsubstantiated BS like that. My policy is if you can't argue with facts don't bother arguing. Saying stuff like better color, more satisfying to use are all unquantifiable parameters.
Bram de Mooij: It seems the megapixel race has changed to an af points race. Do we really need that ? Most of the time I use only one af point. But that's me. Not really an action photographer and never using the video features of my cameras. I think I can stop buying now. Oh, but I forget I am a gadget freak .....
Lazy ? You call it lazy I call it using technology for my benefit. Some people will say you using AF is lazy and MF is the way to go for greatest accuracy. Next some will say TTL flashes are lazy. One should only use manual flashes.
^^ Why is it a joke if people do things differently than you do ? Are you some noteworthy photographer that I need to try and emulate you ? I will do things my way unless someone can convince me that my technique is wrong. What works for me need not necessarily work for others.
@veritalens - Pray tell what DO you need 24 MP for ? To improve your croposition ? :P
Your meaningless rant has ZERO relevance to me (or anyone else for that matter) and this camera will probably sell very well and I have no doubt tons of photographers will buy this camera whether you think its a bad camera or not.
Ultimately all you have written in your meaningless post is all your personal opinion which I can guarantee you is meaningful to you and only you. No one cares that you don't like the camera since you are a nobody online with not even a photo to your generic name.
Sports Dad: Look! Another $1000 apsc mirrorless camera that can't match 1/2 the specs of the now defunct NX1 from back in 2014. :)
The Pen-F looks cooler and its features are more attractive to me.
Well DPreview comments in their cons - " No true live view when burst shooting" I will go with a reputable website testing and conclusion. I used the NX1 in a store and it was a slideshow
Even image-resource said the same -
And lets not get defensive about a piece of electronic equipment.
I was a Sony A mount shooter before Sony discontinued that line. I switched to E mount only because I could use the A mount lenses for a while before I could get dedicated lenses.
However if I had a lot of money I would probably have just jumped to Nikon or Canon. These are just tools to be used.
Yes agreed that is why this is the only APS c sized mirrorless camera today to offer a reasonably usable burst rate of 8 fps without a complete viewfinder blackout.
With faster evf readout the evf lag is also much further reduced adding to the shooting experience
All this while still having a 24 MP sensor cause how big do people really need to print?
You use zone focusing with such cameras. You don't chose individual points.
I hate to tell you this but a lot of DSLR APS c owners use lenses like a 70-200mm f4 lens or even a 70-200mm f2.8 lens. Heck I used to use a Zeiss 24-70mm f2.8 on my old crop camera.
And the Sony lens prices are in line with the msrp of Canon lens prices. Of course more APS c lenses are required but face it DSLRs have very few dedicated APS c lenses
Yeah I am not someone who used film so while most of my friends turn off all the so called 'fluff' features of their cameras I happily use face detect, auto ISO, tilting LCD screens etc that most of my friends scoff at. Conversely I am all at sea when using a film camera. Tried many times but felt terribly awkward not knowing what exactly I was shooting.
The NX1 was a very good camera no doubt but it was like every other mirrorless camera out there with total blackout at high fps shooting. This is the first camera to acutally allow you to see what you are shooting at even 8 fps.
Second the Samsung video codec was a dog to work with. The Sony XAVCs codec is far superior.
And lastly this camera is more compact and lighter than the Samsung while offering supposedly better AF.
The Pen-F is a retro hipster camera with a quarter frame sensor. If looks are that important to you then fair enough by all means go for it. This camera isn't going to win any beauty contests.
I really can't fathom how people expect that their method of shooting which works best for them must also work for everyone else ?
I use all the AF points of my camera. Why ? No particular reason I just like that and while I don't NEED more AF points I wouldn't mind having faster AF and more AF points. So I am happy manufacturers are concentrating more on AF and AF reliability.
KameraFever: It's a spec monster, especially on the AF and video side. I love seeing all this technology creep it's way down into consumer enthusiast cameras. Even if I don't buy it, it will be pushing other companies to deliver comparable products. I bet there will be camera companies rethinking their mirrorless update because of this camera, and that is good for all of us.
True. This camera has zero interest for me but I like that one of mirrorless greatest weakness the continuous tracking and viewfinder blackout is almost gone with this camera.
So technology is getting better and better which means companies like Canon and Nikon can't just sit on their asses and will be forced to innovate which is good for consumers like us.
blackcoffee17: Probably a great camera and lenses.When are we going to see a 600mm equivalent prime or zoom for native FE/E mount?Seems like the world is stopped at 200mm for Sony.
Agreed but honestly the system has way too many lens gaps that need to be fixed so a 600mm lens is one the least important lenses to get.
If really required Sony has a 500mm f4 which can be easily adapted.
Jefftan: to me Sony added 4K to A6000 and double the priceAre u serious, Sony?
I am going to replace my aging NEX-5N with either the original A6000 or A7 both excellent value. I think I would choose A7
Its like this, the A6000 was not the flagship ASP-C camera for Sony while this is.
So Sony puts all its best tech in this camera while the A6000 got a few features stripped down like poorer build quality, plastic, no level gauge etc.
So its not really a A6000 replacement in that aspect but a new flagship APS-C from Sony.
noflashplease: Autofocus performance was never an issue with the A6000. The kit lens was the biggest problem, as were a number of other unimpressive crop circle E-mount lenses. This new $1,000 update on the A6000 doesn't offer anything that the A6000 doesn't currently offer, except a few irrelevant features. The A6300 is unimpressive. Wait for it to be discounted or just buy an A6000.
Agreed the main development seemed to be on the video side of things.
AlfBundy: No IBIS, no touchscreen (which my NEX-5R had) and still stuck with a LCD resolution of 360p .... all that for just twice the price ?! WOW indeed !
I quit Sony. They're lost in confusion.
At least give us a NEX-5300 with touchscreen (min 720p) but no viewfinder (that thing that less than 5% use), and sell it for 600$ like the previous 5 serie. Or 1000$ but with IBIS.
This makes no sense. :s
Where the heck did you get these figures ? 5% people use EVF ? :P
Agreed that no IBIS is a bummer. Never used a touchscreen though so can't comment.
Hugo808: Why does anyone think they need exposure compensation in M mode? Think about it.....
But disabling it seems pedantic.
I am still clueless why someone would be unhappy with a added feature. If you don't like it the regular manual mode is still very much available.
^^ I am so happy you aren't designing cameras. I wanted such a feature in my earlier cameras but I never could get it. Now its available on both my cameras and I use it pretty often.
PatrickSean: They already increased the prices in Germany like crazy after new years and they also discontinued the sb910 for some fricken reason. And all of the d5xxx and d3xxx kits also jumped quite a bit in price just because of that new 18-55 lens. I personally don't get nikon. The camera market is a shrinking market and a price increase will get people to buy more mirrorless cameras instead of nikon stuff. In my opinion 2016 won't be as good for nikon as it was the past years except if they are releasing new mirrorless cameras which are kind of affordable
^^ Most of lenses you use are available in practically every mirrorless system out there. And most people just stick with the kit lens.
aftab: "Significant decrease in sales of image sensors, reflecting a decrease in demand for mobile products"
Does it mean that cellphone market has started the same downward trend that camera market started few years ago or it just means that some cellphone heavyweights, such as Samsung, are now making their own sensors instead of buying from Sony?
Probably other manufacturers selling more. Smartphone shipments recorded another impressive growth last year.