xc1427: how about the start-up time ? I heard about 3s. If so, it is really disappointing.
You heard it, I wrote it. It's between 1 and 3 seconds. If you turn it off then back on again, it can be even longer.
mailman88: From Camera Lab: Sony Alpha A7r verdictGOOD: I'll cut straight to the chase: the Sony Alpha A7r is one of the most impressive and exciting cameras I've ever tested. This is a camera which delivers the quality of the Nikon D800e in a body which weighs half as much and costs almost one third less.
BAD: My biggest issue concerns autofocus. The A7r's contrast-based AF system is fairly leisurely under good light and quite lethargic in dim conditions. Shoot in very low light or with a small AF area under challenging conditions and it may not even lock-on at all. It's noticeably inferior to the speed and confidence of the contrast-based AF system on modern Micro Four Thirds cameras, albeit roughly similar to the Live View AF on full-frame DSLRs.
Perhaps I'm just accustomed to using contrast-detect systems from my MFT use. I had no trouble with the A7R's AF system, and considerable trouble with the A7's. I won't doubt Gordon's skills, because they're considerable, but I submit it might be a difference in how we use AF systems. My sharper results, even in low light, speak for themselves. It could also have been down to the units we used while in Nashville. I wasn't the only editor who had trouble with the A7, but not the A7R, though there were a few who complained of trouble with the A7R's AF in low light.
Underdog 3000: Too bad. I was hoping the 24 would out perform the 36 due to excessive photo size - cost, AA filter, phase detect etc.Also was hoping the kit lens wouldn't be crap as the 24-70 is salty.
On a side note, am I the only one who thinks the 35mm lens looks ridiculous?
I agree it looks weird at first, but it performs well, and keeps the overall camera small. After using it, it looks beautiful to me.
peegee: What about acoustic NOISE?! These cameras are both very *loud* in use. (I tried one) - that is important to people, and should be clearly mentioned in any review. The discreet street shooter might think this is the perfect stealth camera, but it most certainly is not!
Yes, I know it is Focal Plane shutter, not leaf, but it is one of the loudest Focal Plane shutters out there. And there is no 'Quiet Mode' in the menu. (there should be, Sony...). Its a real shame they have not acoustically damped this like others do/have.
I do mention how loud the A7R's shutter is. I probably should have emphasized it more, but because I usually use the A7 in electronic-first-curtain mode, it's less of an issue for that one. People only commented on the shutter noise when I was using the A7R, as it is a little louder and longer than the A7 even with e-shutter disabled.
photosen: Very interesting, maybe the hiccups can be resolved quickly. It's a desirable camera but as always with Sony there's all these weird details.
That's a good observation. I have a feeling they will respond quickly to some of these issues, as this product has potential for real disruptive effect on the market.
PenGun: Another idiotic review. If you morons could not get sharp pictures because auto focus was off, find someone who can work a camera.
No one who needs 36 MP cares about the grip, or even what it looks like.
Another puff piece.
If I'm a moron for having an opinion about a camera, you've come to the wrong place for reviews. If you'd rather I just post a glowing report about how great the camera is, there are plenty of sites for you that better define the words, "puff piece." A puff piece has no criticism, only praise: "Puff piece: noun, a newspaper article or item on a television show using exaggerated praise to advertise or promote a celebrity, book, or event."
The fact is, I've used the cameras a lot, in many situations. I've used them enough to notice a difference in the autofocus performance between them. Had you read the piece before writing your dismissal, you'd know that. I focused on using the Sony FE glass, since I think how they perform is an important part of the story, one I can tell quickly. We'll get to the other major way these cameras will be used before it's done, but how a camera works with company glass is the first step.
Najinsky: I love it when DPR engages in the rumour mill. The one thing it tells us for certain is you don't have one yet, or it would likely be covered by your NDA.
Probably just a white SL1 for the Asian market.
Now you're splitting hairs. You shouldn't admit it's a fair point, then act like you didn't mean it 'that way.'
If anything, this post - if on point - takes the air out of their attempt to tease. That was not its purpose; its purpose was to illustrate what we saw and share it with the larger audience. I prefer camera companies tease rather than leak. One approach honestly takes advantage of the interest surrounding digital camera introductions; the other gives away everything, killing the interest on announcement day.
sh10453: It sounds like Canon is planning to release a pro series camera in white color.Perhaps to match the white (cream) color L line of lenses?
Since the release is in November, my guess is that DPR already has a copy for "first impression" and sample photos, and they probably are laughing at all our blabbing.
No, we don't have a copy, have never seen anything but this website.
AndreyT: At first one wonders what was the point of reposting these images again, after we have seen them hundreds of times already (they were making rounds around the Net for a few years now). But then one notices that there's an obvious political bias in the selection of these images: out of all those well-known Lego photo recreation pictures only the ones were cherry picked that fit certain propaganda-censorship agenda. And then a few "neutral" pictures were added to masquerade the original intent. Apparently someone at "dpreview staff" saw this veiled trolling opportunity and took it.
Wow. What on Earth are you talking about?
No, we don't have the camera. Just the same photo others have. It's not a rumor. It's a teaser. You folks need to read before commenting.
Lawrencew: Wow! It didn't take you guys long to copy what I did early todayhttp://eos-m.net/rumours/canon-white-world-teaser/
None of the above conspiracies is true. We don't have the camera. I wanted to post it right when I wrote it, at about 7:00 pm pacific, but also wanted someone else to read it. It was obvious enough I thought someone else would easily notice too, so I was hoping to post it last night. But I waited for another editor to look at it. He did so very late at night after I'd gone to bed, so I posted it in the morning. Simple as that. We don't have time to sit around conspiring to deceive or steal other people's stuff. There are billions of people in the world and hundreds of millions of them have computers; it's no surprise someone else would notice what a large camera company posted online. I saw the story, looked at the image in Photoshop, saved my images, and credited my sources. End of story.
andersf: so someone is doing "photoshop forensics" under the assumption that the person making the veiled marketing image would use an image of the new product underneath? Wouldn't you just pick any random body and make the image from that? The whole point is to reveal that it's a canon slr body and nothing more. An image of any canon slr body will do.
Actually, logically that is less likely, though certainly possible. The person making the veiled marketing image was careful to let certain features show, it seems to me. Other teaser campaigns have looked like the camera that's eventually revealed, albeit sometimes with skewed angles designed to deceive. We haven't said this is conclusive, just that the 100D's size and features seem to fit under the cloth.
marleni: Dear dpreview,Please stop blowing up RUMORSand get down to FACTS.some recent "news" stories like the above are miles away from what I expect from a credible and trustworthy site about photography.Thank you.
It's not a rumor. It's a teaser put out by the camera company. Last I checked, cameras are what we cover here at DPReview. Fact is, what shows through the white cloth looks like a 100D, only white. That's all we've reported, because we thought camera fans would like to know. If that's not you, feel free to proceed to our many other credible and trustworthy reviews. Just remember, there's nothing incredible or untrustworthy about this camera and photography site reporting on a camera company's teaser campaign. Some would say it's our job.
nstam: making cameras: youd think they(camera companies) understand photoshop... of course theyre playing games with everyone. why make it easy to discern what it is; todays market works off selling pushing ideas; isnt that marketing?DPReview knows whats hiding, and we're giving it hits. It would be more fun if they didn't follow the 'rumours' and let us play the 'whats next' game. This is one of the leading websites around the world, and they still play games... what happened to old DPR(edited, grammar)
We don't know what it is. We have not been briefed. We thought it seemed pretty obvious what was under the sheet, and just a few moments in Photoshop confirmed our suspicions. It still might be a mini 1D Mark 5 for all we know.
It's not a rumor. It's a teaser put out by Canon. And yes, it's very likely a white model for the Korean market.
JoEick: Once again. DPR staff posting rumors, when we all know they have been playing with one for weeks now. They did the same thing with the Nikon Df.
By posting this rumor, they are indirectly confirming that it is true, but they can't say it yet due to NDA restraints.
Also, to the OP, this is not a rumor, it is a teaser, which makes it fair game for speculation.
We copied no one, prepping this late last night, waiting to post it this morning. Congrats on seeing the same similarities.
Not true. All we have is this image. And if it is what it seems, there's not much reason for us to be pre-briefed. It could also be a less expensive model, or more feature-rich. But since it's being teased in Korea, it might also be Korea-only.
jws1956: I am not a photographer but am looking for some help comparing this to the 5d mkII. Is this a step up, down, or just lateral?
The 5D Mark II is a full-frame DSLR, this is an APS-C DSLR. Sensor size, and the resulting difference in focal length is a key differentiator. The 70D, for its part, has Dual Pixel AF, which, when shooting videos, is better than the contrast-detect AF available on the 5D II. The latter cannot autofocus smoothly while shooting video, whereas the 70D can.
dr jim: You guys (and gals) at dpreview must have really thick skins to be willing to post these. You know the drill. Shortly you will have a dozen hot shots tell you what crappy shots they are, and their goldfish could have done better. ;-).Well, I for one really appreciate these real world samples. As much as I'd love to see raw's I understand you can't do that yet. Keep up the good work.
My skin's getting thicker, but I wish the instinct weren't so often for blood. We're just people.