YSP: DPR calls full size DSLR cameras (the Nik D610 & Can EOS 6D) as the Sony A7's peers. What is wrong with DPR?? They're totally different beasts altogether! How can you compare a full-body/full-weight/full-frame DSLR to a compact/light-weight/full-frame digital camera? Furthermore, those "so-called peer models" (which they're not) have been around for a while (a lot more room inside as well) whereas the Sony A7 is brand spanking new and...as of currently..."one of a kind."
You can't compare them in the least bit--until the competition, brings out the same type/same class! It's like comparing vehicles such as a large Mack semi-truck to a Ford pickup truck, they both haul & transport--but size, engines & power-ratios will differ dramatically! -Here's how it would sound like: "The Mack semi hauls massive weight effortlessly whereas the Ford pickup truck has a considerable amount of trouble & strains to keep up when hauling the same size load."
*Very, very, unfair and invalid DPR!
If you were shopping for a Full Frame digital camera with interchangeable lenses, what are your options, YSP? D610, 6D, D800, 5D Mark III. Or do you have another recommendation?
osv: dpreview shoots jpegs with noise reduction turned all the way up, then says that the a7 jpeg noise processing is bad??
quoting quezra from yesterday: "The question is, why didn't you try out NR-low and NR-off in Xfine mode?"
still waiting for an answer...
pro shooters do noise reduction in post, not in-camera.
so why treat a7 jpegs like they came from an iphone? dpreview credibility is taking a beating over this... you guys need to re-examine the way that this was handled.
Because noise-reduction on is the default. Furthermore, it's called High ISO Noise reduction, so it should not apply to ISO 100 - but it does, apparently. If you turn it off, the noise goes up.
Peter DD: I has appreciated the reviews on DPreview since many years,but this story was a great disapointment.The overemphasis of minor flaws shows before the conclusion,something is wrong here.In the valuation the A7 has lower Image quality than the older and slt-handicaped A99.Is this a joke?Now the A99 is hidden, great solution.And the sony-haters are stoked.
The A99 is hidden? http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-slt-a99/
Max Savin: I have had mine for a month now. Of the 15 "CONS" listed in the review, only the slow start up has any meaning for me. All of my systems lenses can be used on this body. My large dslrs and M8 have been unused since it's arrival and I am considering an A7r for back up or primary body.
Exactly. "Cons" isn't short for "condemnations," it's a list of possible disadvantages we thought people should know about so they can make their own decision. When we don't mention certain items, people jump on us, so we list the ones with think might matter. If a con won't matter to you, ignore it.
J Parker: Wow. Just how revolutionary does a camera have to be to get a gold award? If Sony made a camera that walked on water, some of us would complain that the water wasn't wet enough. I respect DPReview's conclusions (let's be honest -- DPReview's reviews are consistently outstanding and worth the wait). But as with any review, actually put the camera through its paces for yourself and decide if its for you or not. The fact is, whether its Fuji, Canon, Nikon, or Sony, etc., cameras of this caliber perform at a level of excellence unheard of even five years ago. The fact that we can with a straight face nitpick about image quality at ISO 12, 800 only shows that we as photographers have it made.
We have to really enjoy using it. Read this: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4416254604/camera-scores-ratings-explained
Kiril Karaatanasov: DPR could have checked this page...I thought they are friends...
but really does IQ matter for a camera? iPhone 4s is ok for most cases....now reviews are made in the states iPhone is popular there so....
Image quality wasn't strictly the issue we referred to. It was poor handling of JPEGs, with an emphasis on posterization due to Sony's uniquely aggressive anti-noise processing.
juju: I feel that the review is very harsh I think the camera should get a special praise for bringing the smallest, first ever full frame quality in such a small package.
1- No external charger. Yes, well, the camera is also noted to be the cheapest full frame body around. period. Add $60 for a charger, it is still the cheapest! What about the positive that it has USB charging then?
2- Included remote capture does not include live view. What about the fact that the camera has a NFC/Wifi live view capture. One can download newer version of the app. The newer remote control/smartphone has not only live view but touch focus….
3- A lot of the limitations on the layout come form the size. Overall for the size the grip and layout and custom button design is outstanding, in my opinion.
4- 3rd party lenses? Well, what about the fact that it DOES have zebra, focus peaking and magnification?!
. The camera is not perfect, but it sure deserves a gold award if any other DSLR does...
Please read the Pros sections, not just the Cons. Cons are not meant to condemn, they are offered for your consideration.
Grammaloreto: Misleading Review: Please Be Objective..continued
- usability with non-Sony branded legacy glass doesn't always lead to great results because Sony did not make this camera to be used with non-Sony glass. That would be too much to control for. I mean how can a manufacture tailor a camera to work with lenses from every other manufacturer on the planet? Although many have seen the flexibility of being able to do so with the Sony E-mount cameras, that cannot be a factor to base your rating for this camera. Especially when the camera does work like a charm with Sony A-mount glass and the provided LA-EA4 adapter.
The Sony A7 does an excellent job in the IQ department, has a great build quality and user interface/controls and deserves more than this pathetic rating. The only downside to the Sony A7 is the lack of Sony FE lens system. Given the fact that the currently available Zeiss: 35mm 2.8 and 55mm 1.8 already have received rave reviews, future releases may also be pretty darn good.
Silver is not pathetic. 80% is also quite good. We did not judge it based on its performance with third party lenses; indeed, we praised its adaptability.
nandadevieast: I feel the review is good but over-critical on small issues.Jpegs?? For a RX100, it could be a valid point. But for a FF camera? If you think Jpegs are so important then as well give it extra points for having all the dumb modes (scenes/hdr/auto/auto plus) :)
You should also put things in perspective. Exceptional image quality from EM1 is not half as good as very good image quality from A7. Dont we know that?
This review reminds me of good old dpr, when reviews used to be critical enough. Wish it was true across the brands.
The posterization problem occurs at ISO 100. All our examples for that issue are shot at that level.
mevbo: Um...Not so good for
..... photographers who want to quickly capture a moment
Isn't that almost all of us?
That was in reference to power-on time. We'll see about re-phrasing that.
osv: wrt a7r jpeg image compression, a quote from imaging-resource.com:""Dave Etchells Mod• 3 months agoHi Yaj - Yes, amazingly enough, these are just in-camera JPEGs. I think by far the best in-camera processing we've seen from any camera to date. This always used to be an achilles heel for Sony, but they've really outdone themselves on the 7/7R. They made a point of this in the initial NDA briefing, pointing out that they were able to produce *very* sharp images, with no halos or "outlines" as they called them from the sharpening process. Very impressive."
I don't recall saying anything about sharpening halos, and I don't recall sharpening halos being an issue in Sony's past processing. It's the overaggressive noise processing we didn't like, now and in the past. The review shows photographic examples. If they don't bother you, then you'll be very happy with the a7.
ZhanMInG12: Just building on some reasons why DP thinks the A7 is not a good camera
1. You need to buy a $50 official charger or $10 knockoff to avoid plugging the camera in to charge it.
2. You can’t control minimum shutter speed in Aperture priority mode, and have to use manual mode with auto ISO to set whatever shutter speed you want.
3. The jpegs have too much noise reduction, which can, um, be turned off in the menu.
4. The default controls are bad, but can be easily customized
5. No built-in flash, despite the vast majority of FF bodies not having one.
6. Wifi implementation is not mature at the desktop side, but mobile wifi live view works like a charm.
7. New, high-performing lenses are expensive.
What an awful, crappy camera!
I got the sarcasm. It's the assumption that because we put in cons it means we don't like the camera. There are cons to every camera, and only some of them will apply depending on the individual. Since we can't craft a custom review for each individual, we list the cons, and allow you to use your deductive reasoning to decide if that applies to you.
forpetessake: My personal experience is very much in agreement with the review. Nothing surprising, except that the final score (80) turned out to be lower than the NEX-7 score of 81. Here I must disagree, the A7 is a big step ahead for all of us using manual lenses with Sony cameras. If the score suggests they are almost equal, it became meaningless.
The points do not determine the award. The points are relative to other cameras in its class, as new boyz said.
Where did you read awful or crappy? We do not give silver awards to such cameras. Reread.
MattLangley: A little surprised, this seemed a bit excessively negative. Some of the complaints are perfectly valid and reflected by other reviewers... Though I'm surprised with the issues the reviewer had with the controls. Most reviews I've seen love the controls and placement or have very minor complaints (such as the video button etc). In personal use I have found the controls to be great and I don't accidentally hit any of the controls.
I think it's a case of needing to adapt to the controls and once you do you find their placement works quite well (not perfect but quite well). Other reviews seem to echo this as well.
Again some valid critiques but it seems that there was a lot of nitpicking on things that boil down to adaptation or preference that weighed heavier than it should have.
No confusion here. We wrote what we thought, and stand by it. Having used and reviewed hundreds of cameras, we know about getting used to a camera and took that into consideration. Note that we say 'One of us would choose the Sony a7...'
eddie_cam: @dpreview: What about the shutter sound? Does the shutter make too much noise compared to the ones in other mirrorless cameras?
We mention it on the experience page. It's not quite as loud as the a7R, but still has a long duration. It's half as long with the electronic shutter mode enabled.
luis caramujo: I think A7R is the benchmark (iso 50) at some areas of the scene
Actually ISO 50, 64, and 80 are available as well. Our specs table shows only the non-expanded ISO settings.
Peter K Burian: These ARE all important brands but what about Vanguard? They also make some very good heads (NOT just pistol grip type heads).
Their BBH Series is excellent. Its Rapid Level System enables photographers to guide their camera to be perfectly level with the base, quickly and efficiently.
AND a lot of nature photographers buy Kirk Enterprises tripods, heads and accessories; they also make their own ball head (just as RRS does).
Peter, we did just review the Vanguard Abeo Pro tripod with the grip/ball head. http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8202649496/vanguard-abeo-pro-tripod-kit
SergioSpain: Yet more free advertising for Apple, and they need it cause let's face it, they're a poor struggling company.
This is a story about how one computer worked in a pro's workflow; a pro who uses Mac computers. It's not about how all computers worked in his workflow. When we review one product, it's really not necessary to point out that there are other products. We are aware. It happens, though, that a great many pros use Apple. If we have a freelancer who uses another brand, and there's sufficient interest in this article, we'll consider doing more pieces like this. And @gerard boulanger, if you can't imagine how a computer is photography gear, I have to wonder how you process your digital photographs.
Greg VdB: There's several alternatives by now with ultra-high resolution screens, some not weighing more than a Mac Book Air.(for instance: http://blog.laptopmag.com/top-retina-macbook-pro-alternatives?slide=1 )This in itself doesn't make the article uninteresting (I'm all for little glimpses into a professional's workflow), but somehow we never see other brands than Apple mentioned on these kind of articles on DPR... (correct me if I'm wrong)
You'd be amazed how many photographers use Macs. We don't normally review computers, so there's little to compare it with. If there's demand for this kind of article, however, we'll consider it.