Boring....why are camera companies always so complacent? They don't innovate themselves; they just copy when another company comes out with something, and usually that something isn't particularly innovative or well implemented anyway.
There's already too many scene modes thrown up all over the market, so then they starting hurling filters everywhere. Suddenly multi-exposure combinations to reduce noise and increase DR became popular. Then GPS became a must in several models and now Wi-fi will be snaking around all the model refreshes.
Not that these are bad things, but none of them are real innovations that make the actual camera better. A smartphone can already do all these; the compacts are slowly catching up with smartphones- when will a company make a feature that makes the compact worth the pocket space again?
Boerseuntjie: I can not wait for all the Samsung fan boys to go.... see Fuji just ripped off Samsung now you know how it feel when your competitor takes your ideas looser...LOL
@fanfong I think you mean the "samsung forum" since you are clearly a fuji fanboy.
If you actually went on the Samsung forum instead of just spewing lies yourself, you would see that the problems of the cameras are discussed time and time again.
So people conceal the cameras problems yet they complain enough for you to know about them? Sounds right. Btw, I rather like the JPEGs- colors/exposure usually great- except at above ISO 3200 when the NR smears too much. RAW sizes are an issue that have been discussed to death already (including a firmware for the NX20 that cuts the write times in half), along with other issues.
Before you start accusing Samsung users of fanboy-ism, check your own comments supporting Fuji like it's in a cult war against Samsung.
I don't see any such fanboys...a little delusional I might say.
"I" before "E", except after "C".
talk about memories...haven't heard that one for a long time
Boerseuntjie: Only one difference between the Fuji and Samsung Wi-Fi camera...note the description
Fuji Wirelessly Transfer Beautiful, Sharp Pictures to Their Smartphone or Tablet for Easy Online Uploading
Samsung Wirelessly transfer boring mediocre pictures to other Samsung boring and mediocre devices.LOVE IT FUJI
Yeah...boring and mediocre....that's why Samsung is the largest electronics company in the world, particularly successful with those smartphones you mentioned.
jj74e: Eh...kind of disappointed that DPR released its preview of the Canon before it was complete. I go to DPR for thoroughness, not because they're first on news reports.
How many people are gonna go through the whole preview again to see what they missed? Maybe more than I think, but it's kind of unnecessary just to be one of the first previews.
@Barney While I wasn't disappointed by the initial preview, it wasn't really anything new. For people that have long been interested in Canon's foray into the mirrorless market, details of the camera had already been known before official websites were allowed to publish their previews. So while the initial preview wasn't bad, I would have rather waited an extra day for DPR to finish the preview rather than having to read through it again and skim for new additions. People who were ever interested in it already knew about it, so an ASAP publication wasn't necessary.
However, as @Antony, I suppose there would be another side to this. I still think that the people complaining about a non-immediate release would be a smaller portion than the people who would've benefited from a slightly delayed, but finished preview.
But in the end, it's a rather small point...elaborating on what I said was probably unnecessary zzz...
.(dpr should add a delete button btw for comments that haven't been replied to)
Eh...kind of disappointed that DPR released its preview of the Canon before it was complete. I go to DPR for thoroughness, not because they're first on news reports.
Just as I expected, $800, basically an OVF-T4i, and while solid, offers nothing compelling or innovative
canon, if you're gonna arrive late, you better have something good. this isn't it.
GradyPhilpott: It never seems to matter what new device is introduced, there is always a chorus of negative comments about it.
No one here has even tried the camera!
Certainly, this camera will not appeal to everyone, but even if it only appeals to teenage girls, that's a huge market.
I just don't understand the continuous negativity on these forums. Are photography hobbyists depressed as a class?
Does photography attract the depressed or is it the quest for an unattainable perfection that depresses?
Of course, no offense is intended to any specific person by the statement of this observation.
Well....I'm not happy with most compacts out there- travelzooms, compacts, even some big sensor compacts- but I'm not particularly negative about them either.
Mostly, I'm just disappointed in the apparent lack of innovation in the camera industry. DSLRs and mirrorless are doing better, but even those segments could stand for some real innovation rather than run-of-the-mill minor performance upgrades.
Especially compacts, it's like companies aren't even trying to innovate, and it gets boring and frustrating.
Laptops are getting more modern ports, higher res dispalys, amazing processors/gpu advancements. prices get cheaper, bodies get thinner, battery life gets longer.
phones get better touchscreens/batteries/processors/genuinely useful apps
cars are implementing GPS, bluetooth, tablets, HDDs, etc.
compact cameras? more scene modes that don't work well? the same crappy sensors? broken wifi features that don't compare to phones? why bother putting one in my pocket with my phone?
jtan163: Why not omit the screen as a screen and make provision to use a phone as the screen?Either over bluetooth, wifi, or a built in (swivelling) dock.I.e.: your point and shoot becomes a phone accessory.
the built in wifi provides a remote feature to use your phone as the screen/shutter
peevee1: How big is the sensor - 1/2.33"?
wow peevee1...that's a very specific review for a camera that you don't have.
i never understood why companies feel the need to cut down on the grip and make them insubstantial. it's like, it really doesn't help pocketability- it just makes it look more pocketable. but it's not. companies should make the grips at least as big as the lens reaches out, compacts, mirrorless, everything.
it's nice that companies seem to be using brighter lenses now...but so are phone companies. compacts need to have bigger sensors to differentiate themselves. half-baked wifi, a billion scene modes that are worse than the apps out there, etc...aren't going to cut it anymore.
people criticize samsung for adding wifi and calling them gimicky, but at least they're trying to something. i'm not saying their results are impressive, but companies just keep rebooting the same, uninspiring models.
Marcelobtp: WOOOW samsung again copying sony!
because sony was first to use wi-fi in their cameras and use a 180 flip screen? check your facts fanboy
Marksphoto: 1. I would love to try whale meat and i feel sorry for all conservationists who think that a whale should have more rights than a pig. It's all food to me as far as I am concerned!
2. 1.4 is interesting but I would love to see an opinion on the functionality of this camera once the most hated photography celebrity writes a review on it. I hope he also placed an order on it already. Especially I would like to see a review comparison with S100 speed and ease of use before I even make a decision to buy this instrument.
3. Cameras will be available and better ones will follow, no sense in premature rushing on the purchase. I would rather wait at least for the first firmware upgrade to see if everything is kosher :) and in my case I will wait for Canon's counter- response
4. My name is Mark Konkolski and I live in Beatiful British Columbia
1. as far as you are concerned, you're not educated enough apparently to speak on such matters. it's not about specific animals having more rights; it's about whales being endangered.
DStudio: This is not the fastest lens on a compact camera. The Olympus XZ-1 is, with the Fujifilm X10 close behind. Both have 4x zoom (28-112mm equiv.) with only one stop between the wide and tele- ends (f/1.8-2.5 and f/2.0-2.8 respectively). The Samsung has almost 2 full stops over a lesser 3.3x range, and the long end is only 80mm equiv. If the Samsung could do 112mm it would be well past f/3. In fact, by 28mm the Samsung will likely be around f/1.8 already.
As we know from DSLRs, the better quality zoom lenses have either a fixed aperture (e.g. f/2.8) or a 1 stop variance (e.g. f/3.5-4.5 models from many manufacturers).
This may be a good camera, but in practice it won't be the fastest. It's also not likely to have the highest quality lens.
i think the lx7 is a little bigger though than the ex2, or if not, the ex2 offers an articulated screen, a slightly bigger sensor (i'm pretty sure), and wi-fi if that interests you.
honestly on compacts, i'm not too worried about the optics. it's not necessarily leica optics, just leica branded, and samsung has the same thing with the schneider lens. but the ex1 and lx5 have proven to hvae good lenses, so either will have good performance.
but yeah we have to wait for actual reviews. all these cameras trump each other in one way or another, it's hard to say which is better, since, unless one of them somehow made a huge jump in small sensor performance, it'll most likely come down to what fits your needs and wnats the most
...so who were the people saying the lx7 would have a 1" sensor when beating on the ex2?
not that it'll be a bad camera; i'm just trying to point out the stupidity of how people beat down on samsung just cause it didn't have a 1" sensor.
smaller sensor, bright lens, cheaper price, is clearly still a viable route for some.
oh yeah, and FINALLY panasonic stops advertising all over their camera bodies. why they felt the need to slap red letters on their camera bodies, i don't know. they still have white letters...which is better imo, but still unnecessary.
g-series, no, but it could be the sensor in the gx model which would kind of stink. not that it's a bad sensor, but keeping it worse than the gh2 would kind of blow. the gh2 was good video wise, but high iSO kind of disappointing
the redesigned grip looks pretty good though
.Sam.: Last week you could buy a GX1 from Amazon for under $400. How can anyone justify $800 for the G5?
not to mention the g5 has to pay for an EVF and articulated screen.