magneto shot: so whats the sensor size? 16 small sensor does not make one big sensor.are we still not done with crappy fake shallow dof?
You'd be surprised, magneto. Google the breezier method.
Gonard: Any suggestions for a small, phone size device, that is only a good camera and can be carried in your pocket?
Hard to determine what you mean by phone size. The P340 is much smaller than a Nexus 6p in WxL, but is quite a bit thicker. Both fill up a pocket in different ways.
Since the Nexus and Moto X Pure phones are all no-contract, you could easily purchase one and use it in airplane mode with no SIM and it becomes "only a camera" if you want it too.
zodiacfml: Pricey. The 5X doesn't even feel an upgrade from the Nexus5 despite the higher price.
I'm always amazed at the unrealistic expectations of many.
Peiasdf: Too much pixels and no OIS make low-light and indoor shots muddy. You got what you paid for for $400-500
If you want to take indoor scenery, I guess. Most people want pics of people indoors and in that case OIS is actually a handicap. The camera will often choose ridiculous shutter speeds like 1/4, think it can rely on OIS. But OIS can't keep your subject still. You get motion blur.
I was all set to buy this and the Nexus 5x came out. Seems like the camera is as good or better in that one and it can actually be used with one hand.
RichRMA: If the camera is your primary concern over this phone, $600 (unlocked phone price) will buy you a HECK of a lot more if you just buy a real "stand-alone" camera.
But will it fit inside a phone? I'm already planning to carry a phone 95% of the time.
(P.S. this starts at $399)
Hellstrom: Any news on Marshmallow for this?
December is the rumor
Lightcapture: It's top until it's dethroned by iPhone 6s+ a few weeks or months later. But wait, the new camera sensor on the iPhone was designed and provided by Sony innit? So whatever the case, Sony won. ;)
Sony makes about $20 per iPhone. How many iPhone 6s have been sold already? They love Apple!
Androole: Very interesting.
It seems like unless Apple really pulled a rabbit out of the hat with the 6S (which seems unlikely given the same small 1/3" sensor size) that it is well and truly being left behind compared to all the Android flagships. And likely the new Lumia 950 Windows Phones that will be dropping next week, also.
An unusual development.
Apple simply destroys everyone else in processing and exposure. The fact that they are so close with a significantly smaller sensor is quite amazing, and DxO hasn't even tested their latest versions.
I would love to see them try a 1/2.3" sensor like some of the newer phones. Apple likes others to prove the viability before they jump, though, so maybe in a year or two.
Comparing with the new Nexus 6p, The Sony seems to take the lead primarily via AF, flash and video stabilization. The pure image quality scores seem to be nearly identical. Of course those things do affect the final image, so they are not irrelevant.
Comparing with the S6, the Z5 actually has 1 point worse on photo scores, but makes it up with a 2 point advanage in the video score (again on stabilization) for a 1 point higher average.
Point being, there is likely not much between these scores in the real world.
tkbslc: As much as I like chromebooks, this doesn't seem like a particularly viable product.
Enlightening clarification. I wonder why they went with the Pixel C branding then? Seems destined to confuse customers.
SHood: Sony Z5 just scored 87 at DXOMark.
That's not going to be $379 unlocked, I'll bet ya.
You think $30 difference in launch price given the upgrades is too much?
tkbslc: I get the whole pricing tiers thing, but really we know from a manufacturing standpoint, 32GB of flash costs <$10 more than 16GB. So why even bother with the 16GB? Just launch it at $389 with 32GB and your profit margin on the device is the same as it would be at $379 and 16GB. You can have a 64GB tier at $60 higher and the profit margins are still the same. People won't miss the $10 on a $400-ish phone, but they will miss the storage.
The only answer I can think of for making a 16GB version is that you hope frustrated users will buy the phone twice?
@fastlass, would not the same potential exist if the options were 32 and 64GB, though? That's my point. Unless intentionally crippling the 16GB version is the goal (as apple has admitted with theirs)
Sirandar: Still no microSD, but if the 128GB model is actually available and really only 150$ more, this isn't as much of an issue as it usually is.
I still like microSD better as when you drop your phone in the toilet or on the ground and it doesn't boot, you don't have to pay $$$$ for data recovery, you just pop it out and put it in a new phone. Android does have backup, so if you have enough data or WiFi access (which all do) they may be safe there. Never actually tried it though.
If sync is on all the time, you can get some pretty nasty data charges. I moved a Dropbox folder on my PC, and Dropbox decided to resync a lot of files without me knowing on my data plan = data charges.
I don't allow any automatic sync of many types of data on my phone.
"only $150 more" for 128GB seems like a big issue to me given that a 128GB micro SD is $50 on Amazon. Typically if you need that much storage, it is for media and photos, which run just dandy of a Micro SD.
While Nexus might charge less than Apple for the extra space, it is still purely a profit grab that limits my options.
acidic: Excited about the new cameras in the 5X and 6P, but really disappointed that the 5X only comes in 16GB and 32GB storage options. Also lacking in the 5X is a notification LED and wireless charging, both of which aren't deal killers but are downgrades from the 2 year old N5. I was all set to preorder the 5X this morning, but now I have to think about it.
Judging by last year's N6, I would've thought that the 6P would be too big, but thankfully they downsized it a little. Odd how the 6P is smaller than its predecessor, but the 5X is larger. Both phones seem to be approaching a sweet spot in size, at least for me. Too bad the 6P is so fugly.
And then there's the Moto X PE. Good price, and more importantly a microSD slot. And the camera is very good as well according to DXO, for whatever that's worth. Plus the wood and leather options are very sexy.
Stumped as to which to get.
Google now offers unlimited photo storage, as long as you are OK with them "optimizing" your photos for you. For camera phone shots, I think losing 5% JPEG quality in exchange for this would be fine.
THe problem I have is wasting all my data plan trying to browse through all the photos in the cloud!
SergioMO: Not that good in low light ... http://www.gsmarena.com/nexus_5x_nexus_6p_hands_on-review-1312p2.php
I don't know what you are talking about. Those look absolutely fantastic for a darkened indoor scenario without any natural light.
I get the whole pricing tiers thing, but really we know from a manufacturing standpoint, 32GB of flash costs <$10 more than 16GB. So why even bother with the 16GB? Just launch it at $389 with 32GB and your profit margin on the device is the same as it would be at $379 and 16GB. You can have a 64GB tier at $60 higher and the profit margins are still the same. People won't miss the $10 on a $400-ish phone, but they will miss the storage.
urix Lukin: And what about 4.5-4.7" smartphones with decent camera?Anyone? Please...
Androole: With 1/2.3" sensors, fast apertures, RAW capture, and instant OS updates to take advantage of any improvements in image-processing, these could actually be among the best cameras on the smartphone market.
The lack of OIS appears to the be the only potential downside, but understandable for the price.
I not seeing a higher score on the Moto X Style, except for video stabilization.