EDWARD ARTISTE: While de facto standards are all well and good, this is a prime example of having only ONE "real" option ends up screwing us all.
So anyone who's waiting to get a 5d4, 1d4, t7i, nikon 9000 or whatever, you have to pay adobe for pshop to even see the files. MONTHLY. Forever. Sure, you can use canons or nikons crap software...PER IMAGE. Their apps are quite terrible, rivaling the worst in possible UI design.
Some smart guys keep talking about the cost of a starbucks, but how about the costs of non working software because your lifetime subscription ran out, or the day the prices go up and you cant do a damn thing about it.
The prices will rise, as soon as the user base hits some magic number in their marketing departments papers.
We are screwed, and only the foolish don't know it. Ill start looking at capture 1. As a community, we should all band together to kickstart or support a universal raw module with cataloging ability, so NO one gets locked out of thier camera raws ever.
One real option? Surely you jest.
User6047698516: It boils down to the 'rent vs buy' or 'lease vs buy' argument.
Why does the auto industry push leasing? Because they make a LOT more money off of you when you lease. Adobe is hoping to do the same.
In recent times, a lot of consumers have gradually shifted away from buying goods based on 'value' and have embraced buying goods based on 'convenience'. Companies are capitalizing on this trend and hoping no one notices.
As some have pointed out, what's to say that Adobe doesn't simply raise prices in the future simply because they can? Or dictate that they are no longer going to support Photoshop on Windows 7, so you have to upgrade to Windows 10 AND buy a new computer? This puts companies in the drivers seat, not you. Is that what you really want?
You're paying a much bigger price for convenience than you realize.
Oh please, you always have the control to stop the subscription or not buy it at all.
If you guys want to get outraged about something, why not the cost of cancer drugs or something important? This is just software. It is not life or death. If you don't like Adobe's pricing terms you just don't buy it. What's the problem?
Ben O Connor: Exilim EX-100 was fantastic on paper! Everything that Stylus 1 offers yet real pocket p&s!
This new one has same sensor and smilar zoom range... But F number is not there!
Ex-100 was 2" thick! That's not a pocket camera. It's 25% thicker than a Canon G16.
The only reason I am interested in this is that the Mrs. simply has to have a "cute" camera. And the Zr60 shows some very nice looks and feminine colors. There are few cameras filling this niche lately. Camera phones have no zoom, so not everyone can live with that as a sole solution.
May have to see about importing one when they are available.
Very good camera, especially given that this is a relatively cheap phone. Thanks for the samples.
Translating prices incorrectly from production quantity column. Prices are listed as "open". The fact that the higher spec cam is $80 should be a giveaway.
Nathan Cowlishaw: It's going to be fun watching the Micro Four Thirds Consortium eat the rest of the photo industry alive and position themselves at least as a leader and authority that will make all other companies wonder why they didn't follow suite. ;) I love Micro Four Thirds, with all the selection of lenses and manufacturers really chiming in: Panasonic, Olympus, Leica, Kowa, Voigtlander, SLRMagic. Man, the sky is the limit with this open standard.
Hey, I shoot m4/3 and even I'm rolling my eyes at this one. Tone down the fanboy, pls.
This is just so the car salesman can say, "You want to add the ACTION package for only $10 a month onto your payment!?"
Anyone who thinks more than 3 seconds about it knows that dash/window mounts are readily available for any car.
Serious Sam: Lens is often loved or hated. As far as I can remember, hated many lens…..2.8 FF zoom for its weight, Sony Zeiss prims for its price, etc….. I had never question a lens fundamental existence until this one comes along. The exact reaction is HELLO!! YOU SERIOUS??
For its price, I can get a Nikon 35 1.8G, on the wide get a Tokina 2.8 UW zoom/ Sigma 24 1.8. This combination is much more flexible.
At such a short focal variation and only F2, what is Sigma thinking??
You can't be Serious, Sam!
Those lenses are not even in the same league and most of them are crop only. Plus, think about your 10m walk statement. Pretty laughable. If I'm shooting from 1m away, then it's only a .5m walk. If I'm shooting a mountain scene that is 10 miles across, then I'd be looking at a 5 MILE walk.
At the $1000 price tag, omission of 4K and EVF is too hard to swallow. As spec'ed, I think this should be about $750.
wassim al malak: Except the 1 f/stop light and DoF between f2.8 and f2 , how can that sigma be compared to tamron 15-30 f2.8 vc ?please correct me in my conclusions , if i'm wrong :1- 15 is very wider than 24 .2- 30 is near the 35 .3- VC can help collect light in some cases .4- the main drawback is the instant 1 f/stop and the DoF and the filter thread at the sigma .
"aside from the 1 stop difference"......
That's like saying, "aside from the 1m height difference, I'm the same height as my daughter!"
One goes out to 15mm (almost double FOV)One opens up to f2 (double the light)
If you don't need f2, then there are numerous 24-70+mm zooms to choose from. Nobody needing UWA coverage is going to be looking at the 24-35 as a solution anyway.
fatdeeman: Some of the ISO 1000 shots look cleaner than some of the ISO 400 shots in the "real world" gallery.
Perhaps different processing based on subject matter?
Either way the lens looks great and these samples make the 5Ds look a little better too. Still not market leading but at least decent in it's own right. I don't think noise is necessarily a bad thing all the time, I often shoot at higher ISO settings than necessary to make gritty black and white conversions but it's nice to be able to choose. These samples at least show that you can approach ISO 1600 and still maintain a relatively clean looking image depending on processing.
The same issue with all Canon's though is that any attempt to lift shadows is disastrous, the ISO 100 shot of the couple with the sunset behind is a prime example. A Sony sensor would do a much better job here even if you downsampled the 5D image. The Canon files are very brittle and begin to break up easily.
So? That doesn't mean comments about the sensor noise are relevant on a topic about a lens.
Francis Carver: Nice lens for still pix. Useless for video, though -- no aperture ring, let alone a click-less aperture ring, photo style petal shade, super-tiny witness markings, etc. But like I said, a very nice lens indeed for still pix, and at a sot reasonable price to boot.
Uh, OK. What was the last AF DSLR lens that provided any of those video features?
Now that they have priced this about the same as the f1.4 Art primes in its range, it definitely creates an interesting decision. Do you go with a single f1.4 prime or get 2-3 primes in one at f2? It's obvious image quality is not lacking, whichever way you lean.
Marcin 3M: My silly question: with so-many-megapixels camera isn't it better (in most situations) to shot with 24/1.4 and later crop to get 35mm perspective (well, even with some "shift" ability).
Cropping from 24 to 35 only leaves you with 4/9 of the resolution and reduces your sensor size about 1 full size class.
If you are starting with 50MP FF, you'll end up with 22MP APS-C.
Greg Gebhardt: No Apple OS, no deal. Who cares about that thin.
Apple ipad Air owners cared about thin.
Are the cameras good or something? Just curious why it's being announced here.
brianj: I can buy a canon ELPH for $200, with 24-240 mm optical zoom, can someone explain why this camera with less features and a higher price is more desirable.
Ironic you mention the laptop, because I can build a desktop with even better specs for that price. But it's not the same because it isn't portable, right? Same logic.
Less features? Can you edit and share from your canon? Does it have raw and f1.8 lens? 5.5" screen for composing? Only thing it has is more zoom.