Whoa, that 24-70 is a big mama!
Here's the problem with this from my point of view. Say you are Joe-Iphonographer. You want to get a bit more serious and add some flexibility in terms of lens options. So what does Sony offer you (Assuming APS-C dies)?
-A $1000 compact camera-A $1200 chunky compact camera with a bigger zoom-A FF system where you are going to have to drop $2000-5000 to get started.
Hard for a newbie to swallow, I think.
ttran88: How many times have you heard someone say, I want to upgrade to APSC? LoL
9/10 of people choosing their first system camera say that.
rrccad: let's see .. sony did a remeasurement of SME's Orchard Media Inc for 151 million USD, they also sold buildings and premises Gotenyama TechnologyCenter (100 million or so), they sold more shares of Olympus (385 million USD)
So seems the operating income is still being propped up by the sale of Sony assets to me.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!
Sony seems to change focus every 3 years, doesn't it?
ecka84: So, why would I choose this over FF 135L or my 150/2.8 APO Macro?
Maybe because you have a camera with a Fuji X mount?
Canon hating is apparently a hobby for many.
belle100: 1/2.3-inch. Big in Phone, but small in compact.
And, well, since this is a phone.....
Looks like about what you'd expect from a 1/2.3" sensor.
razadaz: Many people are very angry at this, and we have the usual pro and anti cc arguments going on. I feel sad that Adobe have gone this way. For people like me who use several CS6 applications it is probably more worrying because the writing is on the wall for them all now.
If they were on the old model, CS7 would be out by now anyway and it would be the same story. Fork out $500 for each app or lose support. $1500-2000 for "several" CS6 apps or $50 a month and you are pretty much at the same outlay.
CameraLabTester: Every serious brand new camera has a RAW converter for FREE in the bundled software.
It's time to dust off those camera's software CD's and give it a try.
If you don't want to be a monetary zombie, there are other ways around it...
I got comfy with SilkyPix in about 10 minutes. Lightroom is cumbersome and over intrusive. I' wouldn't use Lightroom for free.
tkbslc: If you guys want to get outraged about something, why not the cost of cancer drugs or something important? This is just software. It is not life or death. If you don't like Adobe's pricing terms you just don't buy it. What's the problem?
16 angry old farts liked that comment? Funny!
EDWARD ARTISTE: While de facto standards are all well and good, this is a prime example of having only ONE "real" option ends up screwing us all.
So anyone who's waiting to get a 5d4, 1d4, t7i, nikon 9000 or whatever, you have to pay adobe for pshop to even see the files. MONTHLY. Forever. Sure, you can use canons or nikons crap software...PER IMAGE. Their apps are quite terrible, rivaling the worst in possible UI design.
Some smart guys keep talking about the cost of a starbucks, but how about the costs of non working software because your lifetime subscription ran out, or the day the prices go up and you cant do a damn thing about it.
The prices will rise, as soon as the user base hits some magic number in their marketing departments papers.
We are screwed, and only the foolish don't know it. Ill start looking at capture 1. As a community, we should all band together to kickstart or support a universal raw module with cataloging ability, so NO one gets locked out of thier camera raws ever.
One real option? Surely you jest.
User6047698516: It boils down to the 'rent vs buy' or 'lease vs buy' argument.
Why does the auto industry push leasing? Because they make a LOT more money off of you when you lease. Adobe is hoping to do the same.
In recent times, a lot of consumers have gradually shifted away from buying goods based on 'value' and have embraced buying goods based on 'convenience'. Companies are capitalizing on this trend and hoping no one notices.
As some have pointed out, what's to say that Adobe doesn't simply raise prices in the future simply because they can? Or dictate that they are no longer going to support Photoshop on Windows 7, so you have to upgrade to Windows 10 AND buy a new computer? This puts companies in the drivers seat, not you. Is that what you really want?
You're paying a much bigger price for convenience than you realize.
Oh please, you always have the control to stop the subscription or not buy it at all.
If you guys want to get outraged about something, why not the cost of cancer drugs or something important? This is just software. It is not life or death. If you don't like Adobe's pricing terms you just don't buy it. What's the problem?
Ben O Connor: Exilim EX-100 was fantastic on paper! Everything that Stylus 1 offers yet real pocket p&s!
This new one has same sensor and smilar zoom range... But F number is not there!
Ex-100 was 2" thick! That's not a pocket camera. It's 25% thicker than a Canon G16.
The only reason I am interested in this is that the Mrs. simply has to have a "cute" camera. And the Zr60 shows some very nice looks and feminine colors. There are few cameras filling this niche lately. Camera phones have no zoom, so not everyone can live with that as a sole solution.
May have to see about importing one when they are available.
Very good camera, especially given that this is a relatively cheap phone. Thanks for the samples.
Translating prices incorrectly from production quantity column. Prices are listed as "open". The fact that the higher spec cam is $80 should be a giveaway.
Nathan Cowlishaw: It's going to be fun watching the Micro Four Thirds Consortium eat the rest of the photo industry alive and position themselves at least as a leader and authority that will make all other companies wonder why they didn't follow suite. ;) I love Micro Four Thirds, with all the selection of lenses and manufacturers really chiming in: Panasonic, Olympus, Leica, Kowa, Voigtlander, SLRMagic. Man, the sky is the limit with this open standard.
Hey, I shoot m4/3 and even I'm rolling my eyes at this one. Tone down the fanboy, pls.