I have always been a Canon fan (well I have moved on), but every time I see Canon samples it seems like a trip back in time. Maybe they should rename their lineup the Canon Time Machine Series with the slogan "Bringing you back to Image Quality from the 2003" OK in all seriousness Canon makes good gear, but everything from their bodies to their lenses just feel outdated. They still are making bank only because the consumer market is slow to catch up with newer technology (i.e. mirrorless).
Michael Ma: I blame the religions for demonizing sexuality. Imagine if you had a legalized red light district. Would this underground industry be as big or even exist?
Watson076, I couldn't agree more. We are society hell bent on self destruction. The good thing about legalizing drugs (which I am for) is more and more of these people will destroy themselves, so we will have less of them in the gene pool, darwinisim at its best :)
The overcast conditions definitely help with the dynamic range lol. Honestly the pictures look good, but no better than what we have seen from any previous sensor.
It's funny I used to be a canon shooter who was all about the silky smooth noise free look, but recently I have become a Nikon guy who is starting to love the "feel" noise adds to an image. I can't quantify it, but sometimes the smooth look is a bit too clinical, great for the studio, but for everything else noise is rather lovely and gives that beautiful journalistic look IMHO. In fact it's reason #35 why the sensor doesn't matter in an age where people will shoot a $3000 camera simply to run the images through VSCO and destroy the data just to emulate all the imperfections (which I love) of film.
Battersea: I hope Canon starts shopping there.
vscd the zone system and bracketing have been replaced by high dynamic range sensors. I am not discounting the technique, but this is like saying people to get up and change channels on their TV when the remote has been created. Exposing to the right, combing raw files, etc are not longer necessary with newer sensors which means less PP and more fun taking pictures. Canon still makes great cameras which are capable of lovely pictures, but they are not able to complete with Sony who is lapped them several times over. Sony is king of sensor technology and is pouring billions into R&D to make smaller a sensors (even those in mobiles devices) capable of DSLR performance.
Probably not, Canon is a stubborn company. It's sad when my 1 inch sensor has more dynamic range than my 6D.
As these were all adjusted in raw how can we tell how the lens performs in terms of color and contrast and do we even have a true guage on detail etc ?. I would rather see these tests conducted using the cameras JPEG engine so we have a baseline comparison, otherwise I don't really know what the samples posted tell us other then the skill level of the person processing raw ?
maxnimo: I'm not so sure about 4K at15 fps... it seems too fast. I'd prefer 5 fps. Slower is always safer, that's what grandma used to say.
Personally I don't get the value of video on a camera, I mean it's cool to have but how often do people use it ? A majority of my photog friends don't even use video, heck I was at a photography seminar in Atlanta and there were over 300 people there, only a handful noted they shot video when they were polled by the guest speaker.
revio: @dark goob:
It´s "selfies" not "selphies". ;-)
Got cha; now, it seems you are as good at spelling as you possess knowledge for real about what Nikon 1´s are capable of.
My sister has a V1 to her and her family´s great satisfaction. It focuses faster than my OM-D E-M5 does with native m43 glass...and images are GREAT seen on a computer screen or on a large hi rez TV!! Period.
Of course noise at hi iso or at dark shooting conditions is worse than from the M-5 but they are different kinds of cameras/systems, so for those who need/want the speed and size advantage the 1-series is absolutely not "sh*t" like you seem to believe. "Believe", not know!
(I may have spelled something wrong, but English isn´t my first language)
End of rant, just had to...
The Hogan had noted the differences between the Nikon 1 sensor and m43rds and Sony are closer than one would think, and based on my own testing (owning all three cameras) I came to the same conclusion.
Hopefully Nikon releases some fast zooms and primes. One of the biggest turn offs for me was the size of Olympus and Fuji pro zooms which defeat the purpose of having a smaller body. I think the future of mirror less rests with 1 inch sensor where more practical sized lenses can be produced.
King Penguin: Funny thing is with Dark Goob's extreme prejudiced views is that people will discount anything he says because they are so prejudiced!
They don't even have humour or irony to make the rant even slightly amusing to read.
2 out of 10 is my score on his comments and I'm being generous.....
People who constantly troll like that often suffer from insecurities. Maybe he secretly desires the 1 system but is already tied up in another system, so it's easier to lash out against Nikon 1 then to agree that it is a very attractive looking system. The constant negativity towards Nikon 1 makes him feel better about his purchase and in return helps with his self esteem.
ThomasH_always: I said it before and I say it again: No Viewfinder, no buy. Its that darn simple. Another one: No raw format, no buy. Its the "Simple Checklist if Thomas will buy the new camera."
Ever since I dumped the V1+2 zooms for 40% of purchasing price I monitor the Nikon-1 development with some astonishment: What are they thinking? The dynamic range in the V1 was nice, the fast AF was indeed prime class, but the shot-to-shot time was abysmal, so was the up to 8sec waking time of the V1. That was the deal killer in the V1 for me. And than came the Mr.Robato and Homer Simpson designed V2, arguably the "most ugly shape ever devised by any camera maker". I just dumped the V1, be gone, good riddance.
I just got the V2 in white. While it's very subjective, I think it's one of the most beautiful designs I have seen in a mirror less body. Nikon 1 cameras are some of the most attractive on the market if you prefer the clean minimalistic Apple styling.
But Aptina is still making sensors. (Even if some other party owns the company.)
As for the 18MP sensor it's excellent at high ISOs in raw. And then it's possible to get vastly different results in raw. Example my raws are much better for noise than those that DPR posted. And I repeated this oddness. It's a bit of a mystery.
Now I didn't look at/shoot low ISO examples from the V3, so what you say about low ISO raws could be true. The Samsung NX1 has a similar problem between ISO 400 and 800.
I agree. I respect DPReview but my own real world results often are quite different from theirs: For example they maintain that image quality is basically just a big step up from a smartphone and yet my images look practically indistinguishable from DSLRs under most conditions.
zodiacfml: Why bash the camera, it has a reasonable price at launch. It has a price of a Sony RX100 with good specs and looks. This might be larger than the compact but this is insanely fast.
I criticized the previous 1 series cameras because they were priced in a vacuum, as though, they don't have competition with the same format and larger formats.
Pixel peeping this would be fun too as it might approach m4/3. We will see.
Thats why I love my J4 and use it more than any mirror less body, in fact I decided to sell my FF camera recently as it isn't as engaging as a smaller camera. The Nikon 1 series is fast and nothing can touch it. Yes the sensor is small, but at ow ISO I can't tell without pixel peeping which is crop and which image came from the 1. At higher ISO a quick run through Lightroom and you get extremely usable images. The Nikon 18.5 1.8 is brilliant, equally as good as L glass I have owned. Combine all this with superb metering, excellent color rendition, very fine detail and you get a tiny system capable of images that rival other brands (and yes I can say this owning other bodies). Yet unfortunately people are quite dumbed down in society, they take DXO and other sources as gospel without even trying/thinking for themselves.
rallyfan: I think the pricing is actually bad news for J fans and Nikon 1 fans.
In the past, the 1s were priced a bit high IMO and they didn't seem to sell very well. Maybe I'm mistaken but that's the impression I got. Then, 1s would show up at deep discounts and there were bargains to be had.
As a result I learned that this is a nice system. It's very small and has great burst/AF performance compared to other small MILCs, and with the deep discounts previously available it was very compelling.
The new J seems nice. Granted, the 4K/15fps thing seems silly at first (upon closer examination, it's borderline idiotic, but oh, well -- the other features are great). However the new cam is priced well from the start, and may sell better, meaning there may not be deep discounts.
I hope it flops and is sold off in fire sales, because I think this is a great camera! I can get by with a single battery and sell the lens anyway.
When I was overseas recently I would say the majority of mirror less bodies were Nikon 1 (mostly J series) and are extremely popular with females. I didn't see nearly as many Olympus, Fuji, and Sony bodies as expected.
dark goob: Don't fool yourself. Nikon 1 cameras are, and will always be, JUNK.
Me too, best Junk I have ever owned in fact.
Photoman: Great, another Nikon 1 failure. It will be half price in 3-6 months time at Amazon/B&H.
And another consumer who has obviously never used Nikon 1. If you notice Sony and Olympus wines and dines reviewers. Fuji sends cameras out to every blographer they can reach. If Nikon is guilty of anything it's poor marketing.
Ben O Connor: Its a beautiful camera with rotating screen. I did not like it on GF7.
But as a GM1 owner, it has no built-in IS, has smaller sensor, still more expensive!!!!
Maybe UW series of 1" series would be useful for ruggedness sake, but all others... I don't feel it.
Smaller sensor doesn't matter. I have both m43rds and Nikon 1 and prefer images from the 1. Nikon metering and colors are better, there is a bit more noise but the noise pattern is more film like.
GodSpeaks: Hey Nikon.... No EVF, NO SALE. Got it yet?
I'm sure they are worried about losing you sales lol
Retzius: Ive lost count of how many different 1 series cameras Nikon has pumped out in the last couple years....
Its not good when there are so many models the consumer doesn't even know what the difference is unless they do research on their own time to spend their own money to buy a companies product.
Umm, how many Olympus and Panasonic and Fuji models do we have ????