starwolfy: Before talking about isos people should learn what a correct exposure is. I shoot iso400 film hand held at night with no tripod on a 55 years old film camera. Look at my results on my gallery (just night examples of what I do, me who is just an amateur).
iso 400.000. Is it what you guys need ? Really ? Really ???
What a joke.
Well, you can't use ISO 400 for indoor sports events.
AKH: It is a very nice move by Sony, but I think it would have been better with 2 versions of the camera, one for videographers and one for photographers.
I'm mostly interested in photography and don't care much for 4k video when recording is only possible via an external device.
I also guess that 12MP is fine, but 16MP would have been better in my opinion.
Looking forward to see some full size images including high ISO images in low light. Strange that Sony did not publish some full size images together with the announcement of the camera.
Nope. I'm not interested in a 24MP camera.
rxbot: Wow people are gushing about this camera. What happened to APS-C was dead? And they are willing to pay $1700 for it, about the same for an E-M 1 also. I thought sensor prices were getting cheaper and removing mirrors would reduce cost but you can almost buy a FF camera with or without mirror for this price. D7100 and K5IIs or K3 are looking like bargains. Compare a Pentax K-50 to a Fuji X-M1, Fuji is bare bones and Pentax comes with prism OVF and weather sealing. I like mirrorless concept but we are being gouged for what should be much cheaper cameras.
Fully agree rxbot.
Very interesting interview. Thanks.
Richard Murdey: Just back from the local Bic Camera store for a quick hands on. The dpreview crew were spot on with their criticism of the design and (perceived) build quality.
Where my D200 feels like a solid metal bar, the Df feels tinny and strangely delicate. It is surprisingly light, which is arguably a good thing - but it does not feel "solid". And the top plate dials! At least the shutter speed dial rotates unlocked through the manual settings, but the ISO and even the EV is locked at all settings: every change requires a press-and-turn routine... or for the PASM dial, lift-and-turn. I found it drove the picture taking process to a screeching halt: You are basically locked out of the camera whenever you want to do anything more than adjust aperture/shutter speed.
Finally: as I suspected and dpreview already noted: its too big, its unbalanced and the grip / shutter button is simply the wrong choice for a camera of these dimensions. What works for an small MF dSLR doesn't work on a FX dSLR.
Same on Nikon F4 and many other pro Nikons. The Locks are there to prevent accidental changes.
ProfHankD: Wow! It's beating the D800 fairly easily -- didn't expect that. It also blows away the Canon 5D III (there's more detail in the A7R at 6400 than in the 5D III at 50), but that was not entirely unexpected.
It looks like Sony is retaining detail really well in JPEGs while nicely removing somewhat more sensor color noise than the competition that shows up in the raw. This might be the best JPEG engine I've seen in a camera so far.... I will admit to also wondering if the color noise isn't noise at all, but artifacting due to the lack of an AA filter? If so, congrats to the lens used, because that would mean it's well past Nyquist for a 36MP FF sensor....
PS: Look at the Jack in the comparison scene. Interesting that only the A7R doesn't make the Jack's hair go the wrong direction with artifacting....
It does not beat the D800. Don't get fooled by the low default sharpening setting on the D800 or for that matter any other Nikon camera.
Also the D800 beats the A7R in both high ISO perfomance and dynamic range (just slightly).
gabriel foto: LOOKSLovely camera - in black! The chrome version, I believe, is targeted at hipsters
SIZEWhat most of you don't seem to have realized is that this is the smallest full-frame DSLR ever (at least from Nikon and Canon, what other brands are there?)
HANDLINGTurning a knob is easier than trying to locate a button, pushing it, then looking at bleak LCD while turning a wheel. Maybe not for pro work, not with your eye to the viewfinder perhaps, but in many cases, and in daylight.
VIDEOMaybe something wrong with me but I don't do video. One button less is a relief.
AUTOFOCUSNot sure whether anyone has realised that the 51-point AF module of the D800 or D4 takes up a lot more space at the bottom of the camera body than the 39-point module of the D600 / D610. Dx cameras like the D7100 can accommodate the bigger module because they have a smaller mirror housing -> more space. For the very compact Df, the 39-point module is the perfect (and only) option.
@T3 It has about the same number of dials and buttons as the Nikon F4.
No wait. The F4 also has the combined manual rewind dial which when pulled up opens the back of the camera.
Tom Nokin: It would be a suprise if aperture setting could not be done with the aperture ring when using manual lenes. This is a customable choice on D800 and should be available on Df as well.The foldable non-ai-tad was also available on FE and FM and F2 bodies. Nikkormat EL, I am not sure, likely, but need to check.
Wow, that is great. Found it. It is the f9 setting.(Setting Menu -> Controls).
Thanks a lot.
Hi Tom,Where is the use of the aperture ring customizable in the D800 menu system?
I haven't seen any setting for that feature in the D800.
Fabio Amodeo: I've shot with all the film era Nikons, up to the F4. No SLR had so many commands, dials, buttons, gears. The top is simply confusing. Nikon should have left only the basic commands outside, leaving the rest in the menus. And it will not appeal to oldies like me. I will have to put sight glasses on to change ISO. Ergonomically it's a Titanic. The biggest let down is the viewfinder. What we have lost in digital times is the beautiful viewing experience of, say, F3 (which had a variety of viewfinders and vewing aids, by the way). This camera does not bring it back.Don't be afraid about the price: at the moment the D800 is about € 2K here in Europe, and it's a more capable camera than this from any point of view. I expect the Df to sink below that price in a year's time.
Yes, the Nikon F4 has at least as many dials and buttons as the Df. And even a small "display" where you can see the picture counter for the loaded film :-)
Well, the F4 actually has more dials than the Df, as there is also the combined manual film rewind dial which also opens the camera back when lifted to get access to the film.
AnHund: He must have been running down hill but still falls the other way - is that likely? It also looks cloudy, but there is still a big shadow behind the man..hmmm.
Sure. That could be an explanation. Still think it looks a bit odd including the position of the rifle.
He must have been running down hill but still falls the other way - is that likely? It also looks cloudy, but there is still a big shadow behind the man..hmmm.
iShootWideOpen: The 1" Aptina in my Nikon V1 was not very impressive. I know it's only 1" but the Sony RX100 has done a better job with the same size sensor.
Having owned both I like the V1/J1 output better than the RX100. The Nikon 1 is also a system camera with much better lenses available than the the fixed lens on the RX100.
Hmm, washed out colors in the night shot and the distorted face of the woman?
I agree that it is nice to go light on a bike and sometimes hiking, but generally DSLRs are just so much more versatile and a APS-C DSLR with a good lens (let's say 35mm) is a lot lighter than your hiking boots. Also the extra weight will give you some healty excercise :-)
Btw. on my the last holiday in Prag and Italy/Piemonte 3 out of 4 people were using DSLRs. Besides DSLRs I only saw P&S cameras a few Nikon 1s, a single OMD and then of course some people using mobile phones which are only usable in good light.
I think the reason for using a DSLR is obvious because you get the best value for money.
And Barney, you can't be serious about the noise - a D3200 for instance is actually not noisy at all.
Johnsonj: Fast apeture at f 2.2. Koooooool
f/2.2 is f/2.2 regarding light no matter the crop factor.
AnHund: A silver medal is ridiculus. The image quality you can get out of this camera is outstanding. Wonder if you set it to macro mode - in good light the AF is very good. Check reviews by Ming Thein, Ken Rockwell, Steve Huff etc.
@R Butler. Sure, you can stand by your rating, but many will disagree with you including me.
Sensor and lens is outstanding and AF is very good in good light for this type of camera and that is what matters.
Regarding the AF it is of course not for sports photography, but for instance face priority AF works very well even in dim light for people.
A D4, D3, D700 etc. will of course be light years better regarding fast AF, but they are not pocketable.
For me it is a dream come true having a pocketable high quality APS-C camera without AA filter and a fantastic lens.
@Dennis. It was just to point out some other reviewers. KR often has some good points and so does Steve H. Do yourself a favour and read Ming Theins review which is a real world review by a pro photographer.
A silver medal is ridiculus. The image quality you can get out of this camera is outstanding. Wonder if you set it to macro mode - in good light the AF is very good. Check reviews by Ming Thein, Ken Rockwell, Steve Huff etc.
As a Nikon shooter I'm using Capture NX2 which is absolutely excellent. It is really a pleasure to use partly due to the very intuitive U-point technology, so I wouldn't dream of using Photoshop.
I have also been using Acdsee for years, but the Nikon RAW editing is just so much better with Capture NX2.
Timmbits: f1.2 is impressive... until you consider it's for a small sensor nikon1 system. then the actual aperture becomes a f3.2 equivalent. this is the sort of lens that could do lots for MFT. but the 1 system starts off so handicapped, one wonders what's the point, since it's target market is amateur enthusiasts getting their first IL system.
Aperture is f/1.2. Period.