Cjar: Did the photographer who wrote the blog talk with an attorney before ranting?
When you work for under $100 an hour, it can be pretty tough hiring a guy making $400 an hour trying to make sure you make your $100.
Peiasdf: It is like a $350 OnePlus One with a $650 camera module attached.
@007peterI have the Zenfone 2. Its really a fantastic phone for the money. Love having an SD card and it looks like Android is starting to finally play nice with loading off of an SD card.
Craig Atkinson: there's still no better camera, even though it's a modest update!
No one is really crying for an upgrade to the IQ, but the useability and shooting envelope could have gone up. I think the Fuji X100S is roughly only $50 more than the GRII and it offers a viewfinder and a faster lens.
zzzxtreme: Adding evf or popup evf is too difficult i guess?
@HowaboutRAWUh because the sun could care less if your camera has a fixed prime or a zoom on it. An EVF and a faster lens would have made this update gold, even if it meant making the camera a little bigger. It would increase the shooting envelope and creative opportunities. The original GR is a fantastic camera, but one that could easily use those two updates to make it even better... more like a true blue collar Leica Q.
I'd rather just get a Zenfone 2 and drop $800 on better camera gear (like an LX100 or a Panny GM1 + 20mm). Yes I know its the "one device to rule them all", but I'm not convinced this is worth that price just for that convenience.
BigOne: "Canon's EOS Rebel T6s (760D) is easily the most advanced model yet to enter the company's beginner-friendly DSLR lineup."
Just don't ever forget the well hidden "company's" part.
The beginner's camera market is fully dominated by mirrorless models of which Canon has none. This monstrosity lacks in every single aspect you can think of. It's heavier, slower, less advanced, has worse AF than ANY competitor in this category. Even Nikon's D5500 drives donuts around it.
I just realized I could say it much shorter.
Actually, m43's and Fuji all offer more native lenses for their respective mounts than Canon's APS-C offerings. Bigone is completely wrong though, mirrorless is not dominating the entry level ILC market.
Suave: While gear junkies tap into their last reserves of vitriol, Canon quietly makes cameras that regular customers want and can afford. Oh, and it has these glassy things, I keep forgetting the name... Marbles? No that's different... ahh, lenses!
How is this camera "affordable" over the competition at $849 for the body only version?
justmeMN: Reality check: According to Sony's May 27, 2015 financial documents, Sony's worldwide ILC market share is a weak (by value) 11%. The introduction of a new $3,200 camera body won't significantly change that.
Smartphones, not Sony, are the biggest threat to Canon and Nikon cameras.
I don't really have anything against Sony cameras, but the breathless hyperbole surrounding them is just silly.
@CelsusThere are 57 lenses for native Canon APS-C sensor cameras. There isn't even close to that native for Sony E-based APS-C cameras. You cannot compare the lens library for Sony and Canon...yet. If the Sony tech that allows for AF of Canon lenses works as well as dpreview's initial testing, and that tech trickles down to APS-C, then we're talking.
@T3 I'm not saying APS-C is uncertain. I'm saying Sony hasn't done a whole hell of a lot to promote and improve their APS-C lineup as a system. Like I said, they make great camera bodies, but they haven't invested in the lenses... especially for their APS-C.
If you are confident in Sony's future, I suggest opting for their full frame cameras as their APS-C cameras (great camera bodies for the money) just aren't that well supported by good native glass, and the future of that support is uncertain.
ripleysbaby: Just how many lenses out there can cope with all those Sony megapixels anyway.I could possibly raise the cash to buy the camera, but nothing would be left for quality glass. that means for the first time for me the Leica looks worth the money
All true, but, since the Leica is fixed to the camera, it will be obsolete at some point. Having said that, if someone was going to give me an A7II with the 28mm lens or the Leica Q, I'd probably take the Leica.
Treeshade: 8MP photos @25fps for friends & family sharing : the best way to pick the moment when you look good and everyone else look funny.
Not if you'd actually like to have halfway decent low light capability, DoF control and a lens with a focal length different than 28mm. Also, the iPhone, and any other smartphone, isn't always the most responsive device for quick shots.
Angrymagpie: To be honest, I really wanted the Leica Q when it first appeared on DPReview yesterday. Then a few hours later, A7R mk2 happened...
Leica does have its own character in the images many of their cameras/lenses produce. This isn't to say it is "better" than Sony with a Zeiss on it, but it will look different. Lenses and sensors do contribute to a different overall look to an image, even if the objective IQ is completely the same. I've done a side-by-side comparison shooting the PL25mm versus the Olympus 25mm and, though subtle there is a difference in their image character (ie: color, microcontrast, bokeh). Much of this difference in character could likely just be simulated through some post processing wizardry, but its nice to have what you are looking for come straight out of the camera.
InTheMist: Well said Barney!
Pretty much my feelings put in words. You should be an editor or something.
Anyway, I'm still not sure how I feel about that 28mm lens. I actually like how they implemented it* but I'm a bit mixed on having only 14 MP at a 35mm crop.
*if I understood right, frame lines only, cropped in Lightroom, where you can adjust it later. It's consistent with the Leica philosophy of seeing what's entering the frame through the viewfinder. Have I understood right?
I find that crop to be strange. Shouldn't 35mm be more like 18MP and 50mm should be around 12MP? 50mm on this is actually only 8MP which sort of baffles me since, you are only removing roughly 38% of the diagonal field of view.
@PhotoKhanThe character of the IQ will be different for sure and the shooting experience will also be different. They are different cameras for different use cases and different results. And I don't trust that Sony lens to come close to the Leica. Having said that, of course the A7RII is about a million times more versatile, but when you want that Leica look... you buy a Leica.
User3754336485: I'm really curious about the A7R II having ISO sensitivity of 102,400. So no point at all in having both an A7s and an A7R II? Seems to have taken the best from all the previous A7 series and put into one camera.
@pkosewskiUp to ISO6400, this Sony will beat the pants off the A7s in ISO performance when you normalize their size. The A7R already matches it up to ISO6400, I can only imagine this going even further and possibly matching the A7S up to ISO12800. Video performance will be good, but it will likely not match the A7S in low light
Mssimo: When will we get some image samples? Cant wait. Also, I really home sigma and tamron will jump on the mirrorless party bus/
If the AF is as good as dpreview's initial impressions from using third party lenses + electronic adapters, you may not have to wait for Sigma or Tamron to make a native Sony lens. This and the Leica Q are pretty darned exciting cameras that I will never own.
J A C S: 28mm seems as an odd choice of a FL. Other than that, it seems to be a great fixed lens camera with IS for those with extra cash.
You can set the camera to crop at 35mm and 50mm. Likely giving you at least 18MP to work with in 35mm mode.
pdqgp: $4,250 ? Seriously....I'm a HUGE photography nut but that price is just plain stupid.
Not only is it a good deal for a Leica, it actually has no equal in the market, unlike the rest of the Leica products. There simply is no better fixed lens camera. It looks like you don't have to make the usual tradeoffs when choosing Leica either: actually has AF that works, decent burst mode, touch shooting, an EVF with focus peaking.
ludwik123: A fixed lens compact!BIG BIG question?
can it beat the IQ of the Samsung galaxy s6 smartphone?
You could smear the Leica with a jar of vaseline and it would still blow the pants off of a smartphone.