Adam Savage from Mythbusters?
ttran88: How many times have you heard someone say, I want to upgrade to APSC? LoL
@tkbslcThey pick APS-C because of its price-to-performance. If Sony would just keep the first gen A7 sensor around, yet toss it into a more capable body with better AF (ala the A6000) and price it in the lower-midrange DSLR market, I think the APS-C market will shrink pretty fast.
tkbslc: Here's the problem with this from my point of view. Say you are Joe-Iphonographer. You want to get a bit more serious and add some flexibility in terms of lens options. So what does Sony offer you (Assuming APS-C dies)?
-A $1000 compact camera-A $1200 chunky compact camera with a bigger zoom-A FF system where you are going to have to drop $2000-5000 to get started.
Hard for a newbie to swallow, I think.
If this little article is to be taken as gospel, it sounds like Sony will likely go all-in on full frame for their ILC cameras. If this is the case, economies of scale will likely drive down the cost of their sensors and I could very easily see a first-gen A7 sensor in something more like the A6000 retailing for under $1,000. The high end will be served by the A7RII, and now, Sony only has to make lenses for one system.
joyclick: Why let Adobe enslave you and tether you and make you do everything at their bidding,without you having any say/choice in the matters?
@BadScienceBeen there, done that with Quark. Used it back in the day at design school. At that time, Adobe was JUST releasing InDesign 1.0. I actually ended up using InDesign at home more than Quark precisely because it was more intuitive to a Photoshop user.
Also, Quark may be viable, but its ridiculously expensive.
AshMills: Presumably DNG converter will still let CS6 work just fine? (assuming your current lenses are already supported)
That will work up to a point. DNG conversion does not create a 1:1 clone of your particular RAW file. It can make some of them look like utter garbage compared to the native RAW format.
girlperson1: Adobe has always been a bit greedy and now, they will hold your images hostage....LOL!!!
Laugh as you may, but at least Silkypix is software specifically designed for RAW files AND.....you get to keep your images on YOUR hard drive AND the software won't cost you an arm and a leg.
@Just a PhotographerConverting to DNG from a different RAW file format is not without serious issues. My ORF files converted to DNG look god awful, with a very strange noise pattern that looks like my picture is covered in pepper. The worst part about it is that the added noise from the DNG conversion is perfectly uniform. If I open the ORF natively, even with NR completely turned off in ACR/Lighroom, the image looks fine.
No viable alternative to InDesign on the PC.
joyclick: Why let Adobe enslave you,tether you,make you do everything at their bidding without you having any say/choice in the matter?Boycott adobe,support other companies so that adobe is sent to oblivion.
@TrkDon't forget the AMOUNT of support. Microsoft supports Windows for between 5-10 years, and that is magnitudes bigger task to do than to add a few new cameras to Camera Raw.
tom1234567: If Serif Affinity for windows comes out then I would switch it looks like a very good program so Mac users have a good alternative in Affinity
Looks good. No idea why these small companies program for just Mac though. Windows-based PC is still around 90% of the desktop/laptop marketplace.
Edgar_in_Indy: Are they *really* supporting CS6 when they update ACR? I thought that ACR was kind of a separate piece of software, that is updated separately from Photoshop.
If that's the case, then it's not so much that they are no longer devoting resources to "support" CS6. It would be more like they are deliberately crippling ACR to not work with CS6, in order to force users into an upgrade they really don't need.
It is another jab to get you to switch to their subscription. As a graphic designer, I cannot get away from Adobe products. There are some viable alternatives to Lightroom, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Premiere and even Photoshop. Unfortunately, there is NO good alternative to InDesign. That's what keeps me in their ecosystem
johnsmith404: Are you going to do a similar comparison between the 1-inch superzooms? I'm quite curious how that would turn out.
Btw. LX100 looks ridiculously soft. Maybe something is off with that unit?
Look at the LX100 RAWs. The JPEG engine smears the heck out of the images (though that may have been fixed in a firmware update since Dpreview did their testing).
JEROME NOLAS: Miserable DR...
Whaaaaat? I mean, your point makes sense to those only shooting JPEGs, but really... are there people out there that drop $1,000+ to only shoot JPEGs? JPEG shooting on ALL cameras results in a decrease in overall potential IQ in both DR and ISO performance. Some companies handle it as best they can (Oly puts out nice JPEGs), but even then, there is still an IQ hit. If you are someone that likes to PP most of your keeper photos, I just don't see the point shooting JPEG only.
Dimit: They've gone crazy over there ay Panasonic!!! Should be mentally retarded not to grab A7ii instead of this m43 monster.Stupidity reigns !!!
DxO's MP rating is a bit esoteric, and doesn't mean much in the real world. Take this as a real world example:http://www.43rumors.com/full-frame-vs-micro-43-revisited-with-pro-olympus-lens-guest-post-by-chris-corradino/
DxO pegs the Oly 12-40 at 8MP while the Canon lens is at 14MP. Its pretty clear the Oly in real world shooting is outresolving that Canon lens.
... also, the GX7 did extremely poorly in their testing for reasons unkown to me. You cannot use DxO's MP count and compare it to a different format and call them equivalent. The only comparison one can make is between m43's and the Sony A6000 because they both have the exact same lens: Sigma 60mm. You normalize results to that lens by taking into account the percentage of the total sensor's resolution it can reslove, then compare the system's lenses to it.
Old Baldy: Great camera, but the Studio comparison not very impressive to me. Even the cheapie A5100 beats it in IQ, IMO.
@badiIt has limited uses today, but that tech will get streamlined in the near future for use at handheld shutter speeds.
Wow... that pixel shift is legit. Way better detail and at least a 1 stop difference in ISO performance... probably more like 2 stops.
Impulses: No EFC??
@Dr_JonSo do you really think Oly paid Canon to have EFCS? I highly doubt this.
bluevellet: I'm surprised the EVF magnification is so big and they kept it swivel too. Essentially, this camera seems to have everything I want in a camera, it's just a bit too big for me: I use mostly small primes with m43, not contant aperture zooms, so larger body size is counter productive in my case.
But I'm still interested to see how some of that GX8 tech trickles down to the GM series. I really those tiny bodies.
Get a slightly bigger bag? The GM1 can fit in an Altoids tin.
garyknrd: I am waiting for the review... This thing is the first m4/3 to tick all the boxes for me... Amazing.
@broodyI highly doubt the Panasonic beats the Fuji in DR. Noise, on the other hand, is a possibility as Fuji employs some NR on RAWs that removes detail.
AdamT: Hokay Richard ..
I don`t think the IBIS/Lens IS co-working "wall" matters one jot, the fact that it has IBIS at all (like the GX7) makes it far more of an option for use with Olympus lenses than any other Panasonic , 4 Axis simply makes it even more of a practical alternative , who cares if the IS works better with Panny lenses (lets face it, Panny make the best small / slow zooms anyway by far in M43) , it still works far better with Oly lenses than any other Panasonic body and a good few Olympus ones too !
Does it have an AA filter on the sensor ?
how is the E-Shutter done, full 12Bits like the GX7 or the 10Bit compromise of the GM series, G7 and GH4 - does the new sensor allow fast scan and 12 Bits ?
Most importantly - Has the thing got electronic 1st curtain - and is the shutter the clacky rat-trap that graced the GX7 or something nice and quiet like the EM5-II ?
@DemonIt's safe to say we all think the GX8 having some form of IBIS is a welcome addition. Unfortunately, if you want to take advantage of Panny's excellent DFD for C-AF, you need to buy only Panasonic lenses. It is a silly, arbitrary software restraint that Panasonic imposed on purpose to protect their lens sales. So yes, I think what Richard said here is still accurate. It's not a deal breaker, but it is frustrating as one of the pros to m43's is the fact that you can use more than one manufacturer's stuff on the same gear.
TriezeA72: This is what Canon should be making with an aps-c sensor, not that there's anything bad about the MFT sensor in this little beastOne day the penny will drop for Canon, but until then, most will start to spendtheir pennies elsewhere!
The Canon M3 is also pretty pokey in the AF department. I tried a friend's out at a wedding and, it was significantly slower than my E-M10... and that was with their 22mm lens and a few Canon L lenses.
They are going to have to try harder than that to get people to bite. It might be too late by then once the Sony A7RII's tech trickles down to their cheaper models.