There are some true gems in here. Am so glad I took the time to peruse!
I have an earlier version of a Canon Pixma (MG6120) & it puts my Epson Artisan to shame. But the thing that kills me, is for the price of about 2 all color ink refills, you pay the same as for a new printer. I wish they'd make printers that last longer instead of filling up our landfills. :-/
Oh for crikey's sake. Not all of us have money to burn.The technology is cool though.
$1500 smackers? Yegods!
morepix: I've had licenses for every version of Photoshop since Photoshop 5. And I feel put out by this new initiative, even though they have the right blah, blah, blah.
As I see it, rental is a good option for those who don't currently own Photoshop, assuming version upgrades every 1-1/2 years. It's not a good deal for current owners under the same conditions. Now if Adobe would buy back my license for PS CS6, I'd be glad to rent. Barring that, I feel insulted at special goodies for renters.
Someone further down this thread mentioned a slap in the face. That's how I feel too. But I certainly wouldn't threaten to abandon ship because of it. Guess I'll just turn the other cheek.
Just because it was public knowledge doesn't make it right. Who do you think has supported Adobe prior to the Cloud? It may not get us the same updates, but considering how much we have invested in Adobe's products, I do think we have a right to feel poorly treated & to voice our discontent.
R N: I'm reasonably OK with new functionality waiting for new release. None of the new stuff pertains to my workflow anyway.
Definitely NOT OK with ACR updates being pushed out to the next major release. Support for new cameras for the standalone version of PS CS6 should continue to be updated while that version is the latest standalone version.
ACR support is where I draw the line and start thinking: can I get by with LR alone? Emergency cloning I can do in PSE, or a legacy version of PS (which will still work since I bought a standalone!)
Two main reasons I have not joined the cloud: 1) I want software that will still work even if my monthly cash flow craters. In this economy, it is a scenario to consider. 2) I think that the prices will escalate for the monthly subscription. How much? To me it is a significant risk.
Beautifully stated John.
arry_girl: Two things I feel Adobe adeptly doesn't address:
1). If going the Cloud route, how much will monthly fees increase & how soon?
2). Will your computer be able to handle the latest upgrades? Cloud users have the option to not DL the latest. But when calculating whether or not it's worth it to go the subscription route, I wonder how many factor this into the equation.
jmmgarza, there's a lot to sift through. I'm doing it because D-Day for my discounted upgrade from CS4 is fast approaching. I suggest perusing Adobe's Creative Cloud forums to see real feedback, the good and the bad.
The other thing I wasn't aware of is the copyright problems many are experiencing. Not pirated stuff, just things Adobe thinks are infringements for one reason or another. They scan your cloud shared files & if they feel something isn't apropro, they refuse you to share content. This could be a potential problem when sharing with clients.
Aside from their CC forums, 2 reads I found interesting:
(sorry - I don't know how to make them hyperlinks like you can in the forums)
arry_girl: Please tell me I'm reading this wrong. As reported at MacNN:When listing the updates detailed today, they end with "The updates should become universal in the non-Cloud release of Photoshop CS7".
If this is true, according to Adobe's current upgrade schedule, this means no universal upgrades until 2014!
True, but once committed, if you're more than a year's version back after Dec. 31, 2012, you're SOL & have to pay full price to own the software. Again. If you're past your first 30 days of subscription, you forfeit 50% of your remaining contract fees.
Then there's the issue of possibly not being able to access files you created using the Cloud software.
Two things I feel Adobe adeptly doesn't address:
Jman13: One other thing - Why doesn't Adobe offer subscription per product as well? If "Photoshop Cloud" was available for $12 a month or something for people who already own a previous version, I wouldn't mind nearly as much. Why must I pay huge amounts of cash for products I will NEVER use, just so I get current updates to the ONE product I care about.
Except in my case, I use more than just PS. I'm kind of in the middle as far as how many products I use & whether or not the Cloud costs would be cheaper. I don't like not owning my software but financial hardship may force me that way & that chaps my hide no end. Also to consider: None of us know how high the monthly fees will become. Once you're sucked in, there's no going back if you have an older version no longer being allowed a discount upgrade.
Matt Random: The subscription model makes sense for people who use PS or the other tools on a daily basis. Where the model doesn't make sense is for the people who are only occasionally using it.
So, a subscription model is probably good for professionals, but not so good for enthusiasts. I'm an enthusiast that occasionally fires up PS for perspective correction or something like that so a $30 a month subscription would mean that I'd be paying dollars for each invocation of PS. I imagine that professionals that live and breath PS are paying pennies per invocation.
If Adobe continues the trend toward the subscription model domain then I'll probably have to look for other tools to do what I do in PS.
As far as CS upgrades go, I believe I've read the update cycle is in .5 increments:
CS6.5 - mid 2013CS7 - mid 2014CS7.5 - mid 2015
So if this is true, the whole numbered upgrades will be every 2 years. My upgrade cycle in the past has been to move up every 2 versions. Beginning Jan. 2013, if you don't upgrade annually, you'll be SOL. Does this also include the .5 increments? This is something to consider if weighing the costs between a Cloud subscription & outright owning your software.
Hi morepix, I didn't think you meant me, I'm sorry too if I didn't make myself clear. I said that just to clarify overall. No worries & yes, it's definitely the pits!
That was me about the slap in the face. But I didn't say I'd abandon ship. I was giving my take in answering someone asking why many of us felt the way we did.
I can't speak for others but for me it feels like a slap in the face.
This isn't a greed cry. The updates exist and we know it. Many have loyally plunked down large chunks of hard earned money over the years, helping support Adobe, only to find ourselves being blown off. Color me nuts, but that doesn't sit right with me.
I'm peeved because these upgrades are to CS6, not 6.5 nor even 7. They should be available to ALL purchasers of CS6. Both sides have PAID. Many paid a heck of a lot more than Cloud subscribers. Why not also support the purchasing base that helped build Adobe in the first place? To me, that's good business. You don't thumb your nose at loyal purchasers as though they are no longer worth your time. Or if you do, don't expect there not to be backlash or in some cases, lost loyalty.
Please tell me I'm reading this wrong. As reported at MacNN:When listing the updates detailed today, they end with "The updates should become universal in the non-Cloud release of Photoshop CS7".
Karl Summers: This seems like a GREAT thing for new users, but a TERRIBLE thing for people who already own CS6. New subscribers will be able to use the product without plunking down $600 to own it outright, and will be privy to all new releases every two years. Sounds like savings to me.
But for those that already bought the software, it seems like a crappy deal. Is it really Adobe's intent to leave these folks out in the cold? After the backlash I predict Adobe will make "cloud only" content available to CS6 owners.
Just my .02
One can hope Adobe makes current cloud content upgrades avail to CS6 owners. They did reverse their Creative Suite upgrade policy when they ruffled more than a few feathers last November. But I'm not holding my breath.
Gothmoth: hey subscription must be good.. scott kelby and all people at kelby media love it.. and they would not lie to us....
God forbid. Especially since he probably gets REAL own-it-outright software gratis.