Aroart: Wow, is Canon so clueless. Why buy a 10-18 f4.5-5.6 when you can get a Tokina 11-16 2.8... Is it that hard to make it a 2.8....
Plus wider AND longer.
Zerg2905: EF 11-24 f/2.8 L IS USM or nothing... Cheers...! :)
While we're at it, might as well ask for 1mm-500mm f/0.5.
Lawrencew: A $299 launch price sounds a bit of a bargain for a UWA. That said, Canon's recent STM lenses like the 55-250mm have taken a long time to fall significantly in street price.
That's a pretty good starter line up now though from 10-250mm all IS and STM, if matches the decent (for their price) IQ of the 18-55 and 55-250 lenses.
It isn't clear how closely it matches, but the EF-M 11-22mm IS STM is an amazing lens, so that bodes well for the 10-18
There is a price to pay for speed. Bigger, heavier and costlier. For landscape shooter, an f/4 lens is just fine because they hardly shoot wider than f/5.6. If you shoot internal architecture or do astrophotography, this lens is not for you.
DVT80111: Still nothing can compete with the Sigma 18-35/1.8
Replies like yours make me wonder if you understand that the equivalent FL depends on the sensor size, or do you just make comments based on the FL number printed on the lenses.
peevee1: They call 615g/115mm long lens "compact"?
M43 shooter? Yup, that's big and heavy for you.
dwill23: Sigma 18-35 f1.8 HSM is cheaper and over 2 stops faster. C'mon canon, reverse engineer Sigma's new optical formula and match their quality and I might pay the 33% price premium for your red stripe.
My 17-40 has been a total wedding work horse for me on my 5D3. I know some like to shoot the 24-70 L but the first one was garbage and 2nd one too costly.
However, the price point of the 10-18 sounds like it will move a lot of units, however, it's not that bright.
You're giving me a headache jumping around between ultrawides, standard zooms, FF, and crop. Get a grip, buddy!
retro76: Last year I left Canon after years of being a loyal customer. The company in my opinion used to be top notch and the original Rebel and 5D are great examples of their innovation. Now years later we continue to recieve a recycled sensor with rather rudimentary dynamic range, and no replacement for their aging 50 1.8, 50 1.4, and 85 1.8 lenses. Meanwhile the rest of the world is moving forward, and Canon seems stuck in time. Of course they continue to sell well due to loyal customers like myself, but how long will it last ?
And yet they are making money while innovators like Olympus is bleeding badly. Guess camera companies don't hire DPR posters as marketing strategists.
lighthunter80: What a big fuss about nothing. So Leica came out with an overprices Nex clone (I am exaggerating...) and they use software correction with their lenses. So what?
Isn't the image quality in the end that counts? If the images can convince the critics then piece should be restored again.
I am sure that Leica doesn't just shortcut their lens development by simply using software to cover up what they could have corrected by optical adjustments. I think it's just natural that software and optics work together and I highly doubt that the end result - the final - image will be less than stellar with the new T lens lineup.
I am not a Leica owner and don't plan to become one in the near future. Other brands have similar strong lenses and perhaps even stronger bodies (feature-wise). Leica mutated over the last 20 years or so to a luxury brand like LV, Guggi, Prada and Co... That is ok and no crime. It's free to buy or leave them in the shelf.
You seem EXTREMELY keen to defend Leica. Tirelessly arguing for the company post after post here. Do you work for them?
ZoranHR: 1. take the glasses you are using to judge value of Leica.2. put them again and look over to Olympus.3. than look over to Fuji.4. than look K-3,D7100,7D.5. Does only Leica look overpriced?
I hate when someone's lying,but I don't hate Leica brand or any other. That would be too much of black and white thinking. Shallow. Buy something on your budget and preference... And just take photos!
You're taking the term 'hater' a little too literally here. How does 'trasher' sound?
sgoldswo: Only DPR knows what was said to it regarding correction. As to the performance of the zoom, well, the Fuji 18-55 suffers heavily from distortion if you look at the uncorrected raws, as does the panasonic 12-35mm
Doesn't mean you are entitled to charge $1000. Earn your keep.
Barn the Canon hater.Nick the Fuji hater.
Yup, I'm reading dpreview.
BeaverTerror: To get off the "Lie-ca" lens controversy: it is amusing that people have spent the last three years criticizing mirrorless cameras for adopting touchscreen interfaces at the expense of reduced physical buttons. Now that Leica has announced a camera with basically no physical controls, the same people who said "touch screens are not for real cameras" are now lapping up the "elegant touch interface and body design" like it's the newest cool-aid. It truly goes to show that some if the opinionated individuals on these forums have no idea what they want in a camera and have been spewing out if their back sides all along.
You do not question Steve Huff. And that's that.
Couscousdelight: Lie-ca, nice catch ;)
As said by Ropi below, they lie with the "Made in Germany" mention too, they are in fact made in Portugal, then send to Gerrmany.Like for cars, it's just another german quality myth.http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/introduction/1206676
@BioTraveler: One MB that you own, plus one Honda that your friend owns (assuming you're not lying) is indication of the reliability records collected over decades from millions of other owners of these cars. Right...
Ben O Connor: Why is everyone so angry!! Seriously. There are people "out there" (not me) who want to touch something Leica... M's are costing a bit alot, even second hands (both lens &body) are not friendly... So here is a working class hobbyists leica interchangeable lens cam, with a stunning style. I personally prefer a leica X1, but it lacks a lot digi stuff, and X2 has a horrible hunch back for evf!!!! So even this is nicer with its inner feature... Just enjoy or run away, don't make yourselves upset about it...
I was stunned alright, just not by what you think.
Nick932: Even with non production software on a brief test the IQ was better than my EM1 and A7r using the same Leica lens. It is a bargain for this price. Less expensive than my EM1 and A7r. It feels solid and light with a very nice comfortable grip, no thumb rest is needed. EVF is nearly a must for precise composition and wide angle MF lenses. It has a crisp display even in London bright sunlight. The User Interface still needs work is not flawless. However, it is not an M but a good AF complement. On the other hand if one can afford an M using the EVF the focus is just a snap very quick and clear but no modern UI.
Congratulations Leica for making these excellent products.
Hey buddy, does Leica pay by per word or per post. Where do I sign up?
People are not upset about how IQ is derived. They just don't like to be mislead or lied to. That's what's bending people out of shape.
abortabort: Eh, an EOS-M twin lens kit for $300 compares quite favourably to the T kit. Both well made (though the T obviously a little slicker), touch operation, crop sensor, higher quality kit zoom and good fast small 35mm equiv prime. Focus isn't super fast on either and both partly rely on using the brands legacy lenses. Oh and both have a WA (Leica's is coming). Both have some of the best in class lenses with a body that's a bit ho-hum.
Oh and one has a red dot.
Not a Leica basher, would love an M, but the T is an overpriced mirrorless with fancy packaging.
The Canon lenses (2 out of 3) have image stabilization.
papa natas: I don't understand the mud slinging here on account of the Leica's very expensive lenses' distortion, plus the long explicative text about it on BobYIL 's text on a different link.Why to prove & test it with brick walls?Who, in his right mind, will buy such a pricey camera to shoot walls?The results will show two hard headed guys: one arguing that his Panasonic is the real bargain, and the other one trying to convince the World that those bricks on that wall are crooked.Hasn't anybody get it?:LEICAS ARE NOT TO SHOOT PICTURES.THEY ARE TO BE SHOWN, SAME AS WE DO WITH SHOW DOGS.THEY ARE NOT BRED TO KEEP YOUR HOUSEHOLD SAFE.
At least a dog won't feel cold to the touch in the morning.
First you gypped, then you lied.
Don't worry, just slash the price by half and we'll forgive you.
Tom47: Who packed this bag? Nikon body and a Canon lens?
Who named this bag?