Thiom: Not that much smaller or more lightweight than the equally spec'd DSLR competition by Canikon. It eventually turns out as I always suspected: lenses for FF mirrorless are not going to be that much smaller than SLR designs as they have to deliver the same amount of light to the sensor.
The A7s are nice cameras for sure, but for traveling really light and compact regarding the entire kit as possible with APS-C mirrorless or MFT shooters have to confine themselves to relatively slow primes. If one's happy with that, OK. But when fast (zoom) glass is desired brace yourself for DSLR-like bulk and weight of the kit bag.
It adds up, if you carry multiple lenses, and not to mention, the camera body is also lighter: 465g for Sony a7r.http://camerasize.com/compact/#312.425,488.440,ha,t
The weight difference here is: 1565g vs 983gThe depth (length) difference is: 179mm vs 147mm
AbrasiveReducer: Maybe I'm thinking of the film era but I can't recall anybody buying a camera or system based on a road map. And since digital camera product cycles are so short, you might find another brand of camera suits you better while you're waiting for the road map to materialize.
Here is the other catch (sort of ties into your argument about film era vs digital, and product life cycle): people seem to demand more expensive bodies that are more disposable than ever, and cheaper lenses.
Cane: Has Sony made the decision to give up lens design and just let Zeiss make all their lenses at astronomical prices?
Actually, the latest announcement includes two Sony-Zeiss lenses (16-35/4 OSS, 35/1.4), two Sony G lenses (28-135/4 OSS, 90/2.8 OSS) and twoneither Zeiss nor G lenses (24-240 OSS and 28/2).
Just a Photographer: I really don't get it. Why is Sony releasing only 'slow' lenses for their E-mount.Makes no sense using the A7's with any of the proprietary lenses this way.
No nice shor DOF and only limited bokeh.
Is it because they want to keep the A7 series 'light' as fast lenses will make the total system as heavy as any current DSLR.
This way it makes currently still more sense to buy 4/3 or even better an APS-C mirrorless system.
"I really don't get it. Why is Sony releasing only 'slow' lenses for their E-mount."
FF lenses are popular with f/4, primarily as the more compact/practical size-weight option to f/2.8. And in this case, we're looking at an ultra-wide zoom where most photography will happen stopped down. And Cine lens (28-135/4) which is also a logical option as a one-lens solution. For speed, why settle for f/2.8 anyway? You can go f/1.4-f/2 with primes.
armanius: Woohoo! Another f4 lens!
ZhanMInG12: People here complaining about the F4 should note that no other major mirrorless system has a UW zoom faster than F4 in equivalent DOF. The Fuji 10-24mm is F4 and also rather big and heavy.
If you absolutely need F2.8 there is the much revered Zeiss 15mm Distagon ZM. True German optics at the lowly price of $4600...
"There's the 7-14 f2.8 coming next year on m43."
That is like saying... why hasn't anybody come up with a 28-200mm equiv f/2-2.8 lens when Sony F828 had it in 2003?
whtchocla7e: While this wide zoom is ok, I don't get the reasoning behind releasing the other slow zooms for these supposedly enthusiast cams...
One is a video oriented lens (28-135/4) and the other is a travel zoom (24-240): Logical options.
If you can't do without carrying a 70-200/2.8, you might want to rethink going with systems that are designed for portability.
TORN: Nice lens but did they say when they start to build small and leight for a realistic price?
One of the reasons I've avoided FF is cost of ownership. I never assumed it to be inexpensive approach to photography. If you want quality, you will have to pay for it.
Sounds like a heavy duty version of Gariz Gunshot Sling I've used on my Sony NEX-6 for several months. It works really well.
Jogger: $950 is a lot of monies for a 50/2.. the excellent Nikkor 50/1.8 can be had for less than $200.
"My old manual, full metal Nikon 50/1.4 was 150$ on e-bay. And I doubt at no moment that this Loxia has absolutely nothing it can teach to my "old" Nikon."
Your old Nikon can't be taught to do better, so as to match the latest high quality designs. There is a fun aspect to using these old lenses (I have a Canon rangefinder 50mm f/1.4 Leica mount, from 1959... nice lens... once stopped down).
josseee: there are currently 2 native FE-mount primes: 35mm and 55mmpeople rant about lack of the lenses for FE...so we get a second 35 mm and another 50mmhm....not sure the ranting was understood correctly :D
Most of those would be 50mm lenses, and no, they aren't benchmark for IQ at larger apertures. Stopped down? Sure... they generally work fine (I own four such lenses).
With 35mm, it gets a bit more tricky. Not as many options as you think there are, especially high quality ones at a reasonable price.
SamSaveMax: That's a bit much.I wonder how these lenses would put up against a manual focus full frame native E-mount Rokinon 35mm F1.4 AS UMC RK35M-EWhat I need is a decent macro lens. When is FE 100G macro coming?I wish Sigma would step-up and support FE mount with their "Art" lineup.
Sony is about to announce two more lenses (FE 16-35/4 OSS ZA and FE 28-135/4 OSS G). A rumor also mentions announcement (but not launch) of three more lenses. One of them is likely the awaited FE 85mm ZA. And at least one of the other two will be a macro (lens road maps suggests it as a G macro, so I expect it to be a 90-100mm lens).
Darren Lee: Will these work on the NEX bodies? or A6000? i'm sure vignetting will occur, but at least i can use them before deciding to upgrade to A7 or whatever comes out in a year or two.
These are Sony E-mount lenses, so they will work just fine, although as you'd expect, the field of view will be narrower due to crop factor (35mm lens on APSc will perform like 50mm lens on FF, and 50mm lens on APSc will perform like 75mm lens on FF).
mschuermann: What about FE lenses? Can those be mounted on the QX1 as well?
I think something like QX1 will have a higher appeal with someone who has E-mount lenses. I typically use NEX-6 with 35/1.8 on it most of the time. And keep the 20mm pancake in my pocket (usually also carry 8mm fisheye and/or a 50mm lens). Now, instead of changing lenses, I might just keep 20mm on QX1.
But more importantly, it will allow carrying a high IQ camera when I would normally leave even my NEX-6 home (as I recently did visiting a city and later regretted it).
Rupert Bottomsworth: Just how good a quality can a 30x lens this size be?
QX30 is basically a downsized super zoom camera. QX1 is interchangeable lens camera with APSc sized sensor.
Halenstone: I doubt it, but it would be nice if that pop-up flash could remote trigger an external flash.
Maybe Sony could develop a wifi enabled external flash, then the smartphone could sync the flash and camera. I already have a ton of lenses, e-mount and legacy with adapter, so this is pretty intriguing. If it's nice and quiet, could be a sweet street photo setup.
Everything has flaws, so does this, but if you got the lenses and the money, why not?
Syncing via phone might work, if the connection can match the speed requirements.
I'm with you on its appeal and this "not perfect" product like any other. It is an appealing product, especially if you either have Sony E-mount lenses or are willing to adapt.
eastwestphoto: I would have appreciated a back photo from DPreview, showing the contacts and lens mount. This series of lenses may be MF, but; I like seeing the data transmission contacts so i can compare with my other Sony FF AF lenses. I was never a English major in college, I went to college for Photographic technology and science and optics and mechanics and electronics are important to me. I use MF all the time on Sony A7r & Sony Nex 7, I never trust anybody's AF system to be as good as magnified focus assist. Thus MF zeiss lenses using the time tested Rangefinder, SLR Planar design, with a modern aspherical elements, will hopefully be a very high resolution lens? I think the 50/2 is more to my liking, I have both of these lenses on a Contarex Bullseye SLR from yesteryear and a Contarex > Nex adapter also. The planar 50/2 was a amazingly great lens in the film days of Zeiss glory. Regards, Don
Zeiss Blog has image showing the contacts and mount (http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2014/08/Loxia-35-mm-3.jpg)
Oleg Ivanovskiy: The first problem here is holding the whole thing. Cell phones do not have any grip on the back side. This construction, based on plastic arms, does not look reliable. And we are talking about quite expensive and fragile equipment. Just one fall - and there go your money. Other problem are controls. That are sensor-only. They (Sony) need to think a lot about UI here. Third part is power drain. Cell phone will be sucked dry after a few hours, just by the time you need it as a phone.Still, I like this brave idea.
None of what you mention is unique to this product that is designed to merely enhance photographic capabilities, and deliver IQ one can expect from an APS-c DSLR/mirror-less camera. I'm assuming you're speaking of QX1, of course.
You would be using the same touchscreen UI if you were using your phone, and if you happen to drop your phone, it will likely cost you a lot more.
Dave Oddie: They look a nice pair of lenses.
In fact in terms of specification being F2 and 35 and 50 they are what Sony should have brought out themselves instead of the slow (by modern standards) 35mm F2.8 and the too-long 55mm F1.8.
I don't buy this idea that had they (or CZ) come out with AF versions of the 35/F2 and 50/F2 they would have to be larger lenses.
The Canon 35mm F2 which has both AF and Optical image stabilization is 335g in weight whereas the CZ 35mm F4 is 5g heavier at 340g. The Canon has 67mm filters v 52mm but it is only just over 3mm longer. Nothing in it.
The Canon 35's weight savings come from where Zeiss' weight gains: build quality, inside and out. Weight is usually not a good measure for such argument as materials used can play a major role (more plastic, lighter weight).
In terms of size, 67mm to 52mm is significant. Not to mention, while the SLR mount lens can be shorter, you have to consider focus plane to lens distance for effective lengh (which is what adapter will add). A comparison (6D vs a7 w/Loxia 35 vs a7 w/Sony FE 35):http://camerasize.com/compact/#380.368,487.429,487.394,ha,t
Yep. "FE" simply means Full Frame lens for E-mount. And Zeiss Loxia "FE" 50 joins FE 55. There are other native E-mount 40-50mm lenses as well.
But, for QX1, E 50/1.8 would do the trick... with stabilization.