ssh33: I love everything about NEX, but I'd never buy into the system with the current lens lineup.
Any time. :)
Emacs23: So, I can make a conclusion now.I shoot with NEX-5n from the November 2011 exclusively and I cannot say anything bad about IQ (with the little exception the DR could be better for about 1-1.5 stops, after Pentax K-5), I have many shots I like, but the shooting experience is UGLY, this thing is anti-ergonomic and not because of its size but rather poor design, because with RX100 I have much quicker access to the essentials — that's why very many photographers love this little guy . It looks like Sony intentionally makes NEX very hard to control. It managed to spoil very basic controls, make it inconvenient to use. This thing is the typical example of what how not to make camera.I expected they will significantly improve experience with 5R and 6, but they didn't, it still sucks hard.
I don't understand where this complaint for interface is coming from. At least in the case of NEX-6...- there are dedicated mode buttons and dials for several regularly used options. - there is a programmable Fn button that the user can customize and select six options- there are 2-3 additional soft keys that can be programmed for convenience- there is Quick-Navi which can be extremely useful and prevent having to deal with menu options
And in fact, I like the Manual Mode implementation with separate and well-defined controls for aperture and shutter speed.
The only thing I wish for is expanded role of the lower dial. At least based on this review, it isn't being used for much.
No, I think you should be spending on f/1.2 and f/1.4 lenses only. How else are you going to avoid conditions where f/1.8 will be too slow for your photography skills?
But, to address your other frustration, if you feel E-mount lenses are too expensive for you, you should stick with system that you can afford.
Instead of LOLing, try to understand what you've already been presented with. Unless you're into parroting, which you just demonstrated, regurgitating the same argument you'd made, despite of a response.
Or perhaps, I should be LOLed at for expecting you to be able to tell the difference, which I assumed you could do blind-folded. Apologize for being wrong. Now...
> I have no interest in Minolta lenses.That is fine. And those weren't Minolta lenses, those are (also) Sony APS-C lenses, cheaper. You asked why couldn't Sony, and I made an attempt to make you aware that it does. You're also unaware pricing of a lens goes beyond specs.
> "I agree that /1.8 still qualifies as being fast, but to state that the superior in every way"
Stop dreaming, or at least making things up.
>" top of the line primes from the biggest industry players are the products of "marketing" to unsuspecting idiots... well... I have nothing to say to that."
You're proving my point.
Sony SEL lens is obviously not cheap, something you obviously want. Sony SAL lens is, however. One of the approach manufacturers like Sony, Nikon, Canon... take to cut costs is by cutting corners (not necessarily optically but elsewhere). If you want to see this for self, pick up a Sony E-mount lens, and a comparable A-mount lens. For example, go:35mm f/1.8 SAM (A-mount) versus 35mm f/1.8 OSS E50mm f/1.8 SAM (A-mount) versus 50mm f/1.8 OSS E
I would expect you to be able to tell which of the two is cheaper, blindfolded.
BTW, f/1.8 qualifies as being fast. f/1.4 or f/1.2 qualifies as "marketing" to those in denial of the former.
Michael Barkowski: The rear LCD appears to be at least 20% shorter in height than the rear AMOLED on my Samsung NX200. That's a pretty big loss when you shoot in square format a lot, as I do. Big sacrifice for the rangefinder mystique.
Really, I think rear LCD size should be advertised in square millimeters, but again, I'm not a 16x9 shooter most of the time.
You get the response your post deserve. I would say any response to such non-sense as you spewed with identifying people as "zombies" for using LCD, is guaranteed to appear elitist attitude to you.
And, stalking you? Learn that you're posting in a public forum, and being responded to. If you hate that, stop posting.
Provia_fan: Standard ISO HotShoe is a welcome change/addition, well done Sony! There are so many brilliant flashguns we can use and I got loads :)
>"The fact remains that Sony's version of this "type" of shoe does not support most flashes and third party accessories (unlike its competition)"
cgarrard, you need to learn what "ISO Hot Shoe" entails. (Hint: It isn't what you think it is). So, how great does a Nikon flash work on Canon?
S.A.: heh so many negative comments as usual.... I've owned all Nikon and Sony. Nikon DSLRs and Sony whatevers... And this NEX 6 is the closest I've come to a do it all camera. As with all mirrorless, the autofocus leaves something to be diesired, but otherwise it's a swiss army knife of cameras. First thing I did was sell the lens. Would rather use primes and already had the 18-55.Crying about the menus is pointless. The quick navi and the fn button take care of that. Hardly any need to go into menus. Love that I an use my triggers with the hot shoe. Love the wireless. I shoot in my little studio and just hit send to computer. Love it. WONDERFUL CAMERA! Touchscreen lol. Use your cell phone then. No real advantage imho. Actually it seems a handicap if you ask me. Turned it off on the 5n after a few weeks. However, I can see no reason why they couldn't have included it for the gadget crowd. So ok, minus half a percentage point.
Keyboard use on a camera, touchscreen or otherwise, is likely to be a rare occasion, not a regular one. And a 2.5-3 inch LCD screen is smaller than the screen on my iPhone with which I regularly struggle getting things right (at least on iPhone, I expect that keyboard usage more).
The ONLY advantage to touchscreen anything on a camera to me is Focus Magnify (which would be useless when I use EVF). For most practical purposes, the physical buttons to locate the point works just fine.
There is a premium ("G") normal zoom scheduled for release sometime this year. I suspect it will be f/2.8-4 kind to keep size and weight down. Or, it could also be the first full frame lens, in which case, it might be a 24-70 or something like it (otherwise, it will be a first "G" to be designed for APS-C).
Any argument on such issue, for or against, is purely emotional. The logical side would evaluate why you would buy NEX-6 over NEX-5R. One has EVF (where touch screen carries no meaning for touch magnification) and the other has touch screen without EVF. Now, you could argue that EVF won't be used 100% of the time. I would argue that my preference for EVF is to use it for critical focusing, and for easier tracking (that is how I use both manual focus and tracking on my A55... don't have the option on NEX-3 so it remains LCD based).
Now THAT ain't based on emotional grounds, rather practical ones.
Abaregi: EOS M has touch, 6D does not. What is the price difference there?
As a manual shooter I have never used it on my 5R but i guess it would be nice for AF. I have never used that though (Legacy shooter)
If i start with AF lenses then i might appreciate the touch on my 5R but so far i have never used or missed it.
"I think most opposition to it is because most photographers here are old and don't like to change."
Funny that you would say that. Last weekend, my father-in-law was struggling to use his phone camera. He was touching all over the screen but to no avail. I looked into it and it turned out that the shutter release was assigned to the physical button in the traditional location of a camera, not touch screen.
Also worth noting, that iPhone initially came up with touch screen shutter. But, it was also criticized for lack of stability. During an iOS upgrade, Apple added the corner button for shutter release for a more traditional way of taking pictures.
Touch screen shutter requires hand to be moved off the grip, which is not a bright idea if you care for stability.
Question:How effective is Face Recognition feature?
I see NEX-6 as a big step in the right direction with ergonomics.Control Dial: Check (addressing my biggest gripe with 3 and 5 series)Relocated Video Button: CheckDedicated ISO button close to the thumb: CheckQuick-Navi: CheckProgrammable Fn button: CheckAdditional Programmable buttons: Check
What exactly is the problem?
tbcass: This model addresses only one (eye level TTL viewfinder) of the issues that has kept me from wanting a NEX (I'm and Alpha user). The interface and lack of dedicated buttons, slow AF and the requirement to use an expensive adapter for Alpha lenses make all NEX cameras a no go for me.
Aah, your were speaking of the "can", where you might be storing all these action/sports photographs of yours.
SRHEdD: BTW... a great balance of a small camera that takes great pics? Nikon P7700. Seriously. Save some money while Sony gets up to speed in AF and image processing.
I can't decide if you're the 90%, or simply can't stop speaking for others.
Plastek: Yawn... yet another NEX? Which one is this within last 24 months? 3rd? 5th? 10th?
@austin design:"I've offered absolutely no indication that I'm confused or otherwise bothered by Sony's model nomenclature..." You, on the other hand, do seem to be confused: the Sony Alphas are NOT distinct from the NEX cameras, but actually include them..."
Claims don’t matter. What you speak do. And as you just demonstrated, that alpha logo is confusing you, perhaps more than the rest of them. At least they are only talking about NEX, you’re running around with the whole family of SLT and DSLR and NEX because they all say “Alpha”.
A person who can make such distinction as: “Sony has 3-series, 5-series, 6-series and 7-series for NEX lineup just as it has had 3-series, 5-series, 6-series and 7-series (and 9-series) for its DSLT lineup, and a similar lineup before it with DSLR.”
…is not the one who is confused.
Perhaps you should get up to speed.
OutOfFocus student: Using primes on all NEXs is still a big pain since you don't have AutoISO in Manual mode . In general there is no significant AutoISO control as one would expect on a modern enthusiast camera.This is really a major drawback of using any NEX camera with NEX primes, and the reason I've not upgraded to NEX-6 from 5N.I'm surprised this was not mentioned by in the dpreview ... do you guys only shoot the crappy kit lens?
If they shoot with JPEG option, and especially if they use OVF, they probably do have to rely on Auto ISO if they want to control aperture and shutter speed. With EVF, there is virtually no need for it as if exposure out of the camera is a priority, you see through the sensor with histogram assist. It may also be a need if the camera body they use lacks logical layout for quick access to change ISO.
And if they shoot RAW but still value higher ISO as being better, then they could still use either of the semi-manual modes, if they can’t change ISO quickly. It really is about want, rather than need. Or, something to complain about.
NEX-6 and NEX-7 have EVF. I would find it strange to use EVF and touch screen at the same time. Dial works much better. And even if you choose to use touch screen to set the point for focus magnify and then compose through EVF, you might find it a nuisance if any part of the face or hand touches the screen accidentally in the process. And if EVF is unnecessary, NEX-5R has touch screen option for its LCD based composition.
IMO, touch screen has its appeal to me, limited ONLY to focus magnify. But that is it, and can (and have) lived without it forever. And I see absolutely no use for it when using EVF (a big reason to consider NEX-6 over NEX-5R which has touch screen). And if I were to use touch screen and then compose via EVF, I would hate to see something else magnify because my face or finger touched on another part of the screen in the process.
I prefer: keep it simple. Another improvement in NEX-6 over the older models... mode dial, Quick-Navi, Fn button and less need to dig into LCD based menu system.
starwolfy: Is it sharper than a Leica M11 at Iso 12800 ?
Is that the price of the body, or al camera with samples to go with it? :D