bigley Ling: Wow, I want to mount my SEL 18-200 onto the QX1! Wonder if my phone will still fit into my pocket!
If your pockets are large enough to fit E 18-200, chances are, you will be able to fit QX1 as well. For that matter, QX1 wouldn't need to be in the same pocket either. ;)
jhinkey: I can see a lot of potential uses for the QX1 - uses where you want a compact imaging device with a big sensor and can use some decent (and potentially fast) glass.I see a lot of creative types jumping all over this.
Actually, this IS an Alpha (and now a current Alpha). And it will be friendlier to the pocket than a camera body is.
RichRMA: An APS sensor module mounted to a smartphone. Probably the stupidest invention in some time. Sony really does want to commit financial suicide.
Actually, to Sony, there is little development involved here but with potential rewards. This is basically a Sony a5000 minus the larger body. The same applies to previous and the new models (QX10, QX100 and QX30).
As for APSc sensor, it is for those who might not be satisfied with Smart Phone IQ beyond quick image sharing (you can do that with this too, and still have high quality images). Not to mention, you're not limited to a single lens either.
GodSpeaks: What is the point in these cameras, especially the QX-1? Why would I want to use such a camera?
Cell phones have enough power issues, without adding constantly on WiFi and screen to actually be able to use the QX 'cameras'.
Some people may prefer better IQ than smart phones provide and lens interchangeability. Some may want to take advantage of its smaller size relative to a camera body, for portability, for other applications (drones, action cam, remote cam...).
That is the point.
Ruy Penalva: I don't understand why Zeiss insist on doing MF lens. Wake up Zeiss!
I didn't mean to imply MF was good only for video. I prefer that for stills as well (it is why I have a good collection of legacy lenses).
If you need auto focus, the Loxia line is not for you. Sony has a couple of Sonnars for that (35mm and 55mm) and expected to add 85mm shortly, and may be Zeiss too will expand Touit line into FF territory and offer AF as it does for APSc today.
The Loxia line is taking ZM (Leica M) mount approach.
@Ruy, let us hear from Canon on the subject:
"No. Neither the EOS C300 nor the EOS C300 PL support autofocus. The autofocus needs of a still photographer are very different than that of the cinema user. In cinema use, focus is preferred to be fully manual for full control and smooth shot timing by an experienced focus puller or camera operator."(Link: http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/misc/cinemaEOS_faq.shtml)
So, while you CAN use AF, it is not the preferred mode.
Frank_BR: "A key is supplied that users can use to deactivate the 'click' of the aperture ring"
A lens with a special key? Are you kidding, Zeiss?Why not a switch like those on many Japanese lenses?
Oh, I get it! Why simplify if you can complicate?
Lets just call the key, a switch instead. Done. :)
Kirppu: I personally don't get this concept. Buy a lens mount, that work by it self no matter that the ergonomics seem to suck. Use your lens mount with your smart phone that acts as you camera rear screen. Still you're far from ergonomic nirvana.Plus, you still have to buy lenses for your system.
Heck why not just buy the E-mount camera body?This is one of those things I just don't get it.
This camera is about the size of a 50mm SLR lens, which opens up opportunities to carry or mount. Most people are using smart phone cameras these days not because they deliver great IQ, but because they are always with you. This camera can be an option to address the IQ issue in a big way while being smaller than the typical camera body plus the lens.
TheWhiteDog: I just noticed the QX1 has a 1.5 multiplier so that loses me, no wide angles(except extreme ones that would be too big for this rig and would give at most an equivalent 24mm) Might appeal though for remote use with long teles but that would be cumbersome and I wouldn't trust the security of the setup. Too bad. But I am sure the concept will be refined in the future, SONY is always pushing the boundaries and that is no bad thing.
Rokinon 8mm f/2.8 and 12mm f/2 lenses are quite small. And Sony 10-18/4 is also one of the smallest ultra-wide zoom lenses out there... although this unit will make more sense with something like Sony 16mm, 20mm, 35mm primes, or Sigma 30mm (all small lenses) and will produce IQ expected from 1.5x multiplier APSc DSLR/mirror-less bodies... make that 1.6x multiplier for Canon.
forpetessake: There is already largely improved alternative to QX1, with similar weight, size and a bit more expensive, but a lot more functional -- A5100.
Is it an easier fit in a pocket?
Gesture: Let's reinvent the camera. At least, Samsung and Sony are meeting the future more than half way. By the time you purchase and add on these sensors and lenses, clamps, whatever, it would be easier-and less expensive- to just pull out a connected camera-but if this is what the younger generation wants ...
This would be useful not for the occasions when you might carry your camera, rather when you might just find a way to simply carry something that is about the size of a lens (and skip the body).
tomnorth: Dumbest product ever! Well, I guess the original version was actually the dumbest.
Fortunately, I've seen dumber arguments. Don't worry, it is not designed to eat into smart phone cameras.
Ozyxy: Perfect for street photography, social documentary photography and photojournalism! I hope QX1 has a silent shutter as well and no LEDs to indicate when it is ON. Now documenting police abuse of power and gangsters has become easier!
Doubt on silent shutter. It is simply a miniaturized a5000 body.
CBuff: Combined with an iPad: I can see this becoming my studio setup. Thoughts ?
Would be great if the built-in flash could work as a remote trigger, which I doubt will be the case.
Boss of Sony: God, photography is expensive nowadays for the latest tools. Think I'll pick up a 2nd hand Pentax K-5 for $300 in mint condition and a new 50mm f1.8 lens (with AF) for $150, and save myself roughly $2,000. Will do exactly the same thing.
Yay! At least someone was worried about math more than the context.
josseee: there are currently 2 native FE-mount primes: 35mm and 55mmpeople rant about lack of the lenses for FE...so we get a second 35 mm and another 50mmhm....not sure the ranting was understood correctly :D
One could just as well argue, AF is so 1980s. :D
But seriously, having additional choices is a good thing. One can get AF lenses (which suck at manual focus) and now proper MF lenses that many of us enjoy over point and shoot approach (since the 1950s?).
Kipplemaster: I found the QX10 to be the most cumbersome item of photographic equipment I have ever used. A Yashica 124G manual medium-format TLR was incredibly user-friendly by comparison. Whilst I still, bizarrely, quite fancy trying a QX1 I imagine it must win the award for worst ergonomics on any piece of photographic equipment in history...
This is not a camera substitute. One can get Sony a5100 for that. This is a smart phone camera substitute/accessory, as well as a solution for other applications as it will allow greater mount flexibility.
Tapper123: Where is the true Sony apsc competitor to em1 and xt1? Where are the lenses?
Instead they make these... things. Meh.
Instead of charging FF prices for m43 or APSc, Sony is offering FF camera (a7) in the price class. As for lenses, one has over 40 native lenses to choose from at this time. So, things are going alright on that front too. Not to mention, one can adapt pretty much any lens on E-mount to good effect (and if you choose FF format, even better).
mschuermann: What about FE lenses? Can those be mounted on the QX1 as well?
Yes. Any lens that will fit directly or via an adapter on any E-mount camera, will work.
tkbslc: I'm trying to figure out how this works logistically in the real world. Certainly you don't want it on your phone all the time, because then your phone is going to be a pain to use. So you'll have to detach the lens and sensor unit and then store them where? IN your pocket? That's not going to be realistic, is it? So then what, a bag? Probably.
So now if I have a small sensor unit and a lens or two in a bag and my phone in my pocket, how is this even .01% better than just having an a5100 or whatever in that bag? And then the fact that I have to make sure my phone is ready to go and start some apps to use that camera that already requires me to carry a small bag, makes it actually a far less convenient solution.
That would be the size of a typical SLR lens with adapter, which still fits in the pocket where an E-mount body with the lens (much less the adapter as well) won't. It is about the size of a small lens, not much bigger than Sony's quite small E 35/1.8 OSS.