micksh6: 200mm F2.8 lens should have 71.4 mm entrance pupil. How come this has 62mm filter (about 50mm front element diameter)?
FL is 73.3mm, so 26mm entrance pupil.
While the article speaks of really simple lenses, even regular lenses are already receiving a substantial boost via software (sometimes, corrections being applied even to RAW). Optical designs have already begun to give way to software corrections.
Pritzl: They could have at least tested with a halfway decent lens. That 40mm is not a speed demon by all accounts. I have a hard time believing they did not have access to better lenses.
@tkbslc:If they can't handle a kit lens being called a kit lens because it is weather sealed, premium option on a premium weather sealed body, the least you could do is present facts.
And peevee is right. STM lenses are the perfect choice for the Canon. It would have been injustice to 70D if Canon 17-55/2.8 were pitted against the A77+16-50/2.8 combo.
Suave: Doesn't Sony have a 18-55 lens similar to Canon's kit lens?
"That's like calling the 24-105L a kit lens."
Except that A77 was offered only with 16-50/2.8 SSM as the kit lens. A65 was matched to 18-55/3.5-5.6 SAM.
Sony 16-50mm f/2.8 SSM is the kit lens for A77.
ianimal: Ain't the Sony SLT auto-focus limited to only f/3.5 aperture? And the Canon can in theory use any aperture? I just asking, don't blame me :)
Likely a choice made as a compromise between AF accuracy and light gathering. Continuous AF may be better optimized at these apertures.
I personally prefer MF for video.
16-50/2.8 SSM is the kit zoom for A77 ($500 over body-only). The weather-sealed combination was launched as such two years ago.
"Our concern is that while it was designed to appeal to those who want the perception of professional quality offered by the SLRs of other manufacturers, despite its appearance the A3000 fails in two key ways: it neither feels like an SLR nor does it function like an SLR"
Ahem. Pathetic review. Please do not make a habit out of it. Unless you can really prove that professional quality for images cannot be taken with this camera but can be with competing DSLRs. Seriously? Looks? Feel? Or, perhaps I'm trailing recent advancements in photography reviews where color of lipstick takes a higher priority.
qwertyasdf: So it has the size disadvantage of a DSLR, and the lack of fast PDAF for a mirrorless...can't people just get a grip?
Which DSLR weighs 222g (280g with battery)? This NEX is an option for those who whine about not getting a grip with RF form of the NEX bodies offered so far.
ProfHankD: "In the default Face-detection + tracking mode, pointing the camera at 'faceless' scenes can take about a second to focus on just about anything you point it at. " ... "What's sure is that live view and video phase-detect autofocus has a new champion in Canon's new Dual Pixel AF."
Really? I mean, it's not like anybody else has been making cameras with fast(er) PDAF live view... well, Sony's had it since 2008 (in the A350 and every DSLR and SLT since then) and Nikon has had a fast on-sensor PDAF since 2011 (in the Nikon 1 line), but hey, they're not Canon. Amazon sell a lot of Canons, do they? ;-)
None of the arguments presented address the point. DPR's claim has validity only if it can beat AF performance of SLTs, and I will bet it doesn't.
BTW, am I the only one who notices sharpness of images being rescued with high degree of sharpening of RAW?
Glenn: No comparison with Sony dslrs? Why would that be? Is the af netter worse or on par with the current SLT's
You're being vague. Have you used either?
That would require either more objectivity or a simple awareness of products available in the market.
mpgxsvcd: I find it interesting that mirrorless solutions are chastised for not being able to focus on a subject running directly at the camera all the way up to the minimum focus distance. While the 70D is hailed as the next great camera for shooting at the hyperfocal distance.
Let’s see how this camera does tracking a specific object that is moving amongst other objects all while the camera is trying to just keep it in the field of view and not necessarily in the center. This is the standard that m4/3s is measured against. It should be the same for the 70D.
I seriously doubt that 70D's DPAF system is aimed at anything but faster AF for video only, as opposed to action photography that is possible on Live View with Sony's SLT.
rrccad, that would be how all DSLR PDAF system works. And I doubt DPAF can keep up with its own PDAF much less that of an SLT like A77 which is one of the fastest AF DSLR/DSLT out there. But, I look forward to DPR actually performing an objective comparison.
The Lotus Eater: Canon chickened out putting an EVF into this camera. The obvious reason is that they would have upset a lot of people, and that's fair enough, but how much more can they improve their APS-C OVFs? EVFs are getting better and better, and many EVFs already surpass APS-C OVFs in terms of both view and functionality.
How good is Canon's on-sensor PDAF? If it is as fast as the off-sensor PDAF module, then Canon should have removed the OVF, mirror and PDAF module. Does the fact that they haven't indicate that it isn't as fast, or is it purely for the reason of avoiding alienation? If the latter, then one could argue that it is a compromised design.
OVF and advancements in LiveView AF are mutually exclusive.
brunobarolo: I don't think they will sell a lot of these lenses in m4/3 mount. The Oly 17mm f1.8 weighs less than a quarter, as compared to this Samyang lens. And it offers AF and doesn't cost that much more.
It may, however, be interesting for some APS-C DSLR owners who haven't been blessed with a fast wide angle from their respective camera makers by now.
Well, it will be a wider angle for APS-C, more comparable to something like a 12mm lens for MFT. That Samyang has thrown in MFT as an option, it is really a lens designed for APS-C.
Juck: A slow, manual focus 300mm mirror lens? That on anyone's shopping list?
Is there such thing as a fast mirror lens? The big advantage is its size/weight. The typical zoom will get you 300mm f/5.6. This mirror lens is only 1/3 stop slower.
As for manual lens... it is something the target market enjoys.
I really admire Samyang, for being relentless and delivering quality without a premium. Although, it likely helps that they are fully manual lenses (very much welcome in my world). That being said, I'm also curious to see if Samyang is indeed ready with AF options for Sony NEX (E-mount) as was supposedly promised last year and scheduled for 2013.
It will be even more impressive, if Samyang delivered a 14mm f/2.8 compactized and designed for Mirrorless.
tornwald: It still seems to have a Bayer matrix and therefore Foveon remains superior for me. Interesting development although, let's see how this works in practice.
Sony's patent (in early 2012) on organic layer points at a Foveon-like stacked structure. I won't be surprised if the same applied to Fuji's.
bcalkins: Sounds promising!
Sony's patent for organic layer does indeed include a three-layer stacked structure and I won't be surprised if Fuji's patent does too.